Hillary's daughter was married with George Sorros's nephew.
Kings and Queens, like in good old time. :^)

One interesting thing is that one didn't necessarily need to be a citizen to vote. At this point, every state requires U.S. citizenship, but once upon a time, some states used voting rights as a reason to come to their state when they were seeking statehood which required a minimum population. As it stands, if a state like California wanted to allow those in the process of gaining citizenship to vote, the voters of California can elect to do so. And since the state still only grants so many EC votes, no other state really has the right to complain about it. The people of each state can make rules to govern themselves and can decide how to distribute these votes. Just like Maine and Nebraska have decided to split their votes. 2 votes goes to the state winner and there are 2 districts in Maine and 3 in Nebraska which assign an EC vote to winner of each Congressional District.

Sickening and just to get back on blownutt's forum.

First video is funny indeed. :D Psycho-woman. It seems it is normal nowadays to buy fake protesters (btw, if someone interested, Soros is paying 2500$ a month; training and NDA required), but buying mentally ill people to protest is not right. :/

Second video - not funny at all. :(

These are fake protesters. They were paid and signed NDA to keep theirs mouth shut.
But it won't work without huge mass media support. Both fake street protesters and mass media (owned by same people, who buy fake protesters) shape public opinion.

Heavy Metal version XD

Pheace.... Seriously.....

You live right besides Belgium and you ask those kind of things to people living across the ocean while you have your answers a few kilometers down in the south.... :o)

Replace California by Flanders and Alabama(or another state won by Trump) by Wallonia => In our current system, Flemish are seen to have the political upperhand in every federal institutions as they always have the most voters and thus are seen to take decisions which advantages them (like the management of the railroad) at the detriment of Walloons. Flanders and Wallonia are two different regions with their own specific needs and a "majority rules" politic doesn't work. I like the US system where the different states/regions are more equal. Obviously, if you want USA to end up like a big mess like Belgium... ;)

My good friend, you are wasting your fine words and finer logic, on people who are walking memes of "living contradiction". They "hate capitalism" (and its nasty effects), but they bash someone who promises economic protection and benefit to home. They think "free market" is only good for "everyone", because the media and their political herders yell and yap so (while in reality, masses work cheaply in tax-paradise-lands like mexico and bosses sell expensively to those back home, razed by unemployment and poverty).

They 've been fed with "Trump hates", "Trump is racist", "Trump hates gays", where and when, in fact, his business models both support and cater to different people. Heck, they even believed "Russian Hackerz" and "Hired Prostitutes golden shower in Obama suite", just because their favorite fake news channel and departing president said so, without ANY sort of proof and official, declassified info presented! You are referring to the very same people who actually believe Aliens exist and Hillary would introduce them to us, or that Madonna would do them free oral, had they voted for H.!

Don't stoop so low all the way to their level, man (like i regularly do)! Talking at a wall of bricks would have more of an effect or an impact, rather tan talking to a herd of liberals, with downvote button at the ready, coupled with closed ears and humming tunes... Don't worry, though, your words are not wasted. Thankfully, there is another minority, both here and anywhere else; those of FREE and THINKING people!

Hmm, one should maybe define historic event before.

To me it feels like watching a car crash in slow motion. On the other hand I hope and I'm quite optimistic Trump won't do too much damage and will be gone soon and hopefully no one will remember him much in due time. Doesn't really count for a historic event, or does it?

That's like steam having more games every year. You'd expect a tobacco store to carry more tobacco right?

Eh. Major stuff government does is not going to be affected by whoever is in charge.

what is huge bother is climate change issues are probably going to sidelined. and seeing how the issue has been tackled in past 20 years by old pricks in governments who don't give a fuck about anyone then trump administration will do even less to mitigate the dangers climate change presents to our society.

he made his views clear on that matter and few of his people also are ant-climate change. so really shitty scenario so far is being presented.

In a way it would make more sense that each person's vote has the same weight, but maybe it is not so black and white considering US size and history.

Comparing it directly to European countries doesn't work because we (Netherlands, Finland etc.) are much smaller in size than the whole of US. I personally already now feel miffed that EU commission and parliament is constantly producing proposals and agreements that feel quite unfair towards e.g. Finland (e.g. regarding the "EU climate agreement", how the Finnish forests are taken (or not taken) into account in it etc.), and it feels we are quite powerless to change them either because rest of the EU thinks differently as you idiots have already destroyed your own forests hundreds of years ago.

To understand the size problem, maybe one example would be if we really had some kind of global world government. Would I feel comfortable with e.g. billions of Chinese having so high weight in elections, decisions etc. that directly affect also "us", and in practice the World Leader would usually be from China (or thereabouts), due to the number of people there?

In a way that would still be fair in a sense (hey, there are more Chinese than Finns (or even Europeans), so of course they have more say in world things), but to me as a member of a smaller nation it would feel more like dictatorship of the majority.

The bigger the scale, the less powerful a single voter feels. Near democracy is preferred. Maybe one solution to US presidential dilemma would be that the US president would have less power than nowadays, and would be more like a head figure rather than the ultimate decision maker with ultimate power. Then the states themselves would have more power, and California etc. wouldn't mind as much Trump becoming a president.

So you're not trolling anymore? You used to be #1 IMHO... and your political leanings were obvious even before you stopped kinda keeping them in the closet...

Or wait... was that actually a brilliant self deprecating joke?

You're painting people with a pretty large brush. Because there's some people who want to change the outcome of the election you're going to dismiss any discussion of the Electoral College? Of course no election should be retroactively invalidated, he already won, that is over and done with, and if Bush is any indication just because he lost the popular his first time around doesn't mean he can't win it on reelection.

But this time the EC did disagree with the popular vote, again, and the candidate who fewer amount of voters supported won. Maybe under a different type of election the votes would be split differently, but you shouldn't ignore the issue that does exist now and the evidence we do have for it based on what might have happened.

The way you describe the voting process sounds insane to me. Remember, most places on Earth don't have the same issues with recounting that you do, so there must be a solution for it. More than one I'll bet, each country must have found a different one.

The way we personally do it over here is with electronic voting machines. We've been using them since the mid-90s. They're not connected to the internet, if they are to be tampered with it must be done in person the same way as with a non-electronic machine. After the election is complete you can just check the machine to get all the results instantly. The machine provides a receipt after a person votes, so you can check immediately that your vote has been tallied. You hand the receipt before leaving and it is kept secure so that a manual recount can be done if necessary, though I never heard of that happening. Every person is registered to a specific table at a specific polling station and they must show photo ID and provide either a signature or a fingerprint scan to vote, so no one can vote in someone else's place.