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Posted January 25, 2018
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htown1980: She was much more than her novels.
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timppu: So was Hitler.

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lol. v true.
Posted January 25, 2018
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htown1980: 1. Suggesting people should not post the deceased's own words or discuss the deceased's views on topics is not what I would call "paying respect". It is the opposite. Just because you or others might be uncomfortable with her views, doesn't mean they shouldn't be noted and celebrated as much as anything else in her life.
That's a nice one. Like today likes of you don't urge to raize entire monuments to people (and burn books written by them btw) who were praised for their outstanding achievements, but held views not in line with yours.
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htown1980: 2. How would someone saying "He was a Jew and he sympathised with Jews so let us remember him as such" be a bad thing?

3. Albert Einstein's was a supporter of Labor Zionism but was opposed to the idea of a Jewish State - he wanted a Jewish homeland in the British controlled Palestine. I would expect that he would not have a problem with that being discussed at his funeral. What is the point of advocating for something (whether its controversial or not), if it is off limits when one dies?
Really? You claim that you actually know that Einstein would be like to be remembered as Zionist and not scientist?
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htown1980: What part in the afterword talks about you being a feminist?
Not Afterword. You were saying that a if someone introduced to feminism, this person immediately becomes feminist.
Post edited January 25, 2018 by LootHunter
Posted January 25, 2018
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htown1980: It can be her first feminist text and she could also not believe that male pronouns (not pronounce) oppress women. I think a lot of feminists might hold that view. The two things aren't mutually exclusive.
In modern context they are exclusive. If someone not supporting feminist view of human culture as white patriarchy suprematism this person immediately denounced as traitor to feminist course.

P.S. Oh and I'm also sure that Le Guin would be happy to know that in the thread dedicated to her memory she is compared to Hitler.</sarcasm>
Post edited January 25, 2018 by LootHunter
Posted January 25, 2018
:(

I remember reading through Earthsea as quickly as I could. I just couldn't put the books down. It was awesome.

I know I read Left Hand of Darkness but I have honestly no real memory of it.

I also read Orsinian Tales at some point. I wonder if I still have it.

I have read The Dispossessed several times, in German and English, and was surprised how different that book felt at different times of my life.

I read through the three Annals of the Western Shore books just a few years ago.

Her books connected me with many other people, and I have fond memories of talking about them with friends late at night.

Sorry for rambling a bit here and writing unconnected stuff.
I think I'll see if I can get Earthsea in English at the library and read it again.
*hugs everyone and leaves*
Posted January 25, 2018
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htown1980: 1. Suggesting people should not post the deceased's own words or discuss the deceased's views on topics is not what I would call "paying respect". It is the opposite. Just because you or others might be uncomfortable with her views, doesn't mean they shouldn't be noted and celebrated as much as anything else in her life.
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LootHunter: That's a nice one. Like today likes of you don't urge to raize entire monuments to people (and burn books written by them btw) who were praised for their outstanding achievements, but held views not in line with yours.
Personally, I have no problem with monuments being removed if that's what the people want. It seems strange to me that someone would demand that a monument to stay somewhere if the people don't want it there.

Likewise, if someone wants to buy a book, they can do what they like with it, including burn it - provided there isn't a fire ban.

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htown1980: 2. How would someone saying "He was a Jew and he sympathised with Jews so let us remember him as such" be a bad thing?

3. Albert Einstein's was a supporter of Labor Zionism but was opposed to the idea of a Jewish State - he wanted a Jewish homeland in the British controlled Palestine. I would expect that he would not have a problem with that being discussed at his funeral. What is the point of advocating for something (whether its controversial or not), if it is off limits when one dies?
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LootHunter: Really? You claim that you actually know that Einstein would be like to be remembered as Zionist and not scientist?
No I don't claim to know what Hypothetical Ghost Einstein would like.

I was asked a question and responded. But, if they were his genuine views, I can't see why Hypothetical Ghost Einstein wouldn't have a problem with it. Although I would say he was a supporter of Labour Zionism, not a Zionist. I would also say that he could be remembered as both a scientist and a husband, a father, a fan of plumbing and a supporter of Labour Zionism. I think the human mind is capable of remembering all those things.

I wouldn't have a problem with people talking about my political views at my funeral, in fact I would hope that they do.

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htown1980: What part in the afterword talks about you being a feminist?
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LootHunter: Not Afterword. You were saying that a if someone introduced to feminism, this person immediately becomes feminist.
I didn't say that at all. I said that Ursula described the book we were discussing as her first feminist text.

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htown1980: It can be her first feminist text and she could also not believe that male pronouns (not pronounce) oppress women. I think a lot of feminists might hold that view. The two things aren't mutually exclusive.
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LootHunter: In modern context they are exclusive. If someone not supporting feminist view of human culture as white patriarchy suprematism this person immediately denounced as traitor to feminist course.

P.S. Oh and I'm also sure that Le Guin would be happy to know that in the thread dedicated to her memory she is compared to Hitler.</sarcasm>
I don't think "white patriarchy suprematism" [sic] and "pronouns oppressing women" are the same thing.

I don't think she was "compared" to Hitler, either.
Post edited January 25, 2018 by htown1980
Posted January 25, 2018
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LootHunter: That's a nice one. Like today likes of you don't urge to raize entire monuments to people (and burn books written by them btw) who were praised for their outstanding achievements, but held views not in line with yours.
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htown1980: Personally, I have no problem with monuments being removed if that's what the people want. It seems strange to me that someone would demand that a monument to stay somewhere if the people don't want it there.
Then why do you have problem with people who don't want links to feminist manifestos in their thread? Why do you demand such propaganda and debate around it to be present among comments if Breja clearly doesn't want it here?
Post edited January 25, 2018 by LootHunter
Posted January 25, 2018
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htown1980: Personally, I have no problem with monuments being removed if that's what the people want. It seems strange to me that someone would demand that a monument to stay somewhere if the people don't want it there.
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LootHunter: Then why do you have problem with people who don't want links to feminist manifestos in their thread? Why do you demand such propaganda and debate around it to be present among comments if Breja clearly doesn't want it here?
DO NOT try to drag me into this on your side. I don't want you here. The reason I have a problem with dtgreene's link is not it's subject matter, it's that like everyone else I am tired of her(?) and her obsession with gender and making every thing about it, and this was done as obvious, clumsy bait to cause this exact shitstorm. I am sick and tired of her, just as I am sick and tired of you and people like you with your idiotic, hateful vitriol.

I am not going to ask for the thread to be closed, you can all rot in here for all I care. I wash my hands of it. It's all just sad and pathetic and I don't want to further associate the memory of Le Guin and my grief with this dumpster fire.
Post edited January 25, 2018 by Breja
Posted January 25, 2018
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Breja: DO NOT try to drag me into this on your side. I don't want you here.
Oh, I perfectly know what side your're on. You think that you're going to stay aside, "sit on a fence". It's not gonna work buddy. Feminists, anti-white racists and other cultural biggots like htown1980 and Vainamoinen are going to raize every inch of history, remaknig it into their own twisted argument against white straigh man.

And after that all white straight men would go into concentration camps where they would learn to obey their infalliable women/black/LGBT masters. And you will help them to enforce that on humankinde. Or they send you to such camp yourslef.

Maybe not next year, not in the year after that, but this time will come. And you will have to choose a side.

And just so you know, apparently Ursula Le Guin did have her hand in this. As she indeed considered that European history should be forgotten and replaced with oral tradition of non-white nations.
Posted January 25, 2018
This thread is awesome!










...not! -.-
Can't we have any threads without gender, race and crap discussions anymore? And "SJWs" really wonder why people (or "white men", as they call them) are sick of this topic?

Seriously, dude (/sexism)... I'm out of here...
Posted January 25, 2018
Coming here with some jokes about how she hated the Ghibli's adaptation of Earthsea, left shaking my head with how civil the conversation above was.
Posted January 25, 2018
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Niggles: Surprised she only wrote 20 novels?
There is something to be said for quality over quantity - would you prefer, say, 13-26 episodes of a brilliant (animated) TV series or 1040 episodes of a mediocre-to-poor one?

Happy balances/combinations of the two are rare but not impossible. ^_^
Posted January 25, 2018
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Dejavous: At the age of 10 I picked up "The word of Unbinding" and entered the reality of Ursula, it's a sad day....no one will be able to take the mantle she wore.
Perhaps, but there are, nevertheless, other interesting/immersive worlds/universes to discover/explore whenever you're ready. ^_^

It's not all elves with lightsabers.
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Dejavous: She made me want to write and tell stories just like she did, and 40 years later I embarked on my own journey of writing, to this day I still feel it's not ready for the rest of the world.
As someone who has posted no shortage of stories and scriptlets online (and, oftentimes, received praise for them), I'd say, 'Go for it'. ^_^

Sometimes the worst critic of an artistic or literary work is the author himself/herself (and I should know). ^_^U

Fantasy, in all it's forms, is one of the (however small) rewards that makes 'Real Life' a little more tolerable.

May more of them become (a) Reaiity someday.
Post edited January 25, 2018 by ChainsawGenie
Posted January 26, 2018
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real.geizterfahr: This thread is awesome!

...not! -.-
Fair point. The thread is, regrettably, littered as it is, this should not continue. I'll excuse myself.
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htown1980:
If you wish to continue this discussion, we shall do so in chat. Invitation to my contact list has been sent.
Posted January 26, 2018
A favorite of mine - an essay from Le Guin that appeared in Harper's here in the U.S. (for any EU fans that might be interested):

https://harpers.org/archive/2008/02/staying-awake/
Post edited January 26, 2018 by xSinghx
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