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A single, unified, consensual community proposal of a TOS would have a significant higher relevance and chance for being considered by the GOG representatives.
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How we could organize that? We have already some proposals floating around for some parts...
Do you think I should try contacting them about it?
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How we could organize that? We have already some proposals floating around for some parts...
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Do you think I should try contacting them about it?
(PS: again, thanks again to GOG for asking the community beforehand for feedback instead of steam-like asking their customers later: "accept or lose your account")
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Regarding the TOS - since it's a legal matter (and as GOG reps pointed out they just returned to work today) it will probably require them to consult with their legal team. So don't be hasty.
Lastly, past experience with them suggests that we'll get basically a hamfisted response at best and more likely they'll leave it in place with whatever minimal changes are necessary to prevent a revolt. The only reason why they posted it was to see how big of a reaction there was before actually rolling it out. I'll be shocked if they fix their mistake.
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Do you think I should try contacting them about it?
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(PS: again, thanks again to GOG for asking the community beforehand for feedback instead of steam-like asking their customers later: "accept or lose your account")
Regardless any change they do make isn't going to be enforceable, so I'm not sure what the purpose of changing a EULA that might be enforceable with one that definitely won't be enforceable is.
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Post edited January 08, 2015 by shmerl
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In short, they've long since waived any right to be given the benefit of the doubt as their previous action has suggested that if they back off now, they'll slip in back in when they get the chance.
You've been here since 2011, you ought to know better.
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May be I didn't track this whole regional pricing issue closely enough, but if I remember correctly GOG agreed to provide in store refunds for games with such inbalance. Old games got removed because some of the studios couldn't handle that without violating some contracts with their retail distributors I guess, so they had to remove them otherwise it actually would have been even worse here regional pricing wise.
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Heck most of the suggestion offered to avoid this "password restriction" (e.g. the checksum validation of the RAR files) could also be considered as DRM using the very same definition.
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Again what in the new EULA will be any more unenforceable than the old one ? The compiling/modifying restriction already existed for games, not change there, basically it only impacts new services like Galaxy, store credits & Co and the five gift limit is easily technically enforceable if they want to.
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Infact, I would now argue that GOG should pull now all "licensed, not sold" formulations out of the GOG EULA and GOG TOS (external EULAs are another topic) as this position is customer unfriendly, in Europe overall not enforceable & especially to mock Steam and their bad customer treatment. "See Steam, we can do better, also here!"
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Well, apart from games, which all have their own EULA saying "licensed, not sold" , GoG doesn't actually sell anything. (Apart from movies maybe). And if you want to remove this mention from games EULA... well good luck with that; it's not a decision GoG can make on their own, all the right owners have to agree.
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And GOG has also to differentiate clearly between their own services and GOG content, TOS and EULA wise (what currently is mixed up in a unfortunate manner).
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If some legacy EULA from a publisher is required & not changeable, OK, then such EULAs should be included parallely to a specific product and the standard, very granting GOG EULA.
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The fact that something already existed doesn't mean it's not a mistake or even something deliberately wrong.
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