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Licurg: The UN is a joke, and you have to be a retard to take it seriously.
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Gerin: This Absolutely
If it was true, you would have been playing Fallout in real life (for a few days, maybe weeks if you're lucky).
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Gerin: This Absolutely
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vsr: If it was true, you would have been playing Fallout in real life (for a few days, maybe weeks if you're lucky).
I didn't know Reagan was a UN guy. Guess we learn something new everyday.
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Atlantico: Turkey doesn't need money either to stop illegal immigration. Not my point. And why should Spain not receive money if extra burdens were asked of the Spanish people to secure their sovereign borders? Even if it is not *needed*, I think that's fair to get money for that. A greenlight would also be provided of course.

So why is Turkey getting this treatment? What makes them or their borders so special? Do terrorists not have boats? Are they vampires and can't cross water?
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bayzent: Oh I agree, what they need is us closing our borders to them and cancelling diplomatic negotiations, but they are a NATO member so that is not gonna happen because then Obama will get pissy. And when America tells us to jump the only thing we are allowed to ask is "how high" anyway.
You guys are worried about Obama? I'd call him a paper tiger, but... A paper kitten would be more appropriate. The man can't handle anything, and what's he honestly going to do if he's upset? Complain about it on Facebook? Look at how he responded (or rather, didn't) to the Ukraine incident... You really think he's going to do anything more to you guys than blow hot air at you? I mean, come on, he can't even bring himself to call ISIS "terrorists" for fear of upsetting them.
Yes, he's quite the peacenik really. Not like he has greatly expanded the global assassination programme, otherwise known as drones. Probably the main recruiting tool for ISIS (this is coming from some of his own military commanders btw, but I'm sure we'll easily ignore that in favour of vaporising another wedding party).

But let's go with the usual euphemism instead. He isn't showing enough "leadership"; he should have started more wars. The other "families", sorry countries, don't fear the US enough. In addition to destroying the Middle East, he should have expanded the warfare to Russia's border too. Nothing could go wrong. Not like the US and Russia have thousands of ready-to-fire nuclear warheads or anything.
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MarioFanaticXV: You guys are worried about Obama? I'd call him a paper tiger, but... A paper kitten would be more appropriate. The man can't handle anything, and what's he honestly going to do if he's upset? Complain about it on Facebook? Look at how he responded (or rather, didn't) to the Ukraine incident... You really think he's going to do anything more to you guys than blow hot air at you? I mean, come on, he can't even bring himself to call ISIS "terrorists" for fear of upsetting them.
Nah I said Obama, because he is the one at the head of the the US right now, although he and NATO were kinda instrumental to force Greece pay their payments (those they can't really pay without, you know, starvation taking over) and having Merkel shut up and give them time the three times she did before. Mostly because America understands that the EU falling down more means that most NATO members will have to cut down further military expending, something Russia seems to know as well and has taken advantage of it already in Ukraine.

The one I am really scared of is Hilary, funnily, more than Trump. Her husband dragged us already to a war that was not our business, and she seems to have a huge sociopathic streak to her...she literally saying that "women are the true victims of war" means to me she will have zero problems dragging us into a war with the Ruskies for any retarded reason her menopause tells her to, so yeah, compared to Mr. "I wanna a Big Wall, with a Night'swatch and you'll pay for eet!" the guy seems like the minor evil.

All in all, this seems like a fantastic occasion for my country to leave the EU and NATO and stop going to defend other countries' interests at our expense, but our politicians are too retarded/corrupt to do that anyway so...we are left biding time until the bombs start falling outside of the window.
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Sufyan: [rant]
random thought,
if you think you can contribute an argument and start out with calling others fucking idiots, you are a fucking idiot.
That just makes your actual argument totally irrelevant.

it's good for venting your anger though :p.
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Sufyan: Bunch of uninformed hipsters on a UN bashing spree.Shallow insubstantial ranting..
This.

It's like it never gets old to whine with rhetoric regarding the political machine as if it's just a normal job given to someone who has assured credentials to solve issues that are like every other work tasks..

I've always been under the impression that politics is merely a reflection of the contemporary society at large (that and the economy). You pluck random people from the citizen pool and throw them in a chamber and the rest screams "RULE FOR US! NO MISTAKES! WE ARE HUMANS! YOU OTOH ARE NOT ALLOWED TO MAKE MISTAKES!"

Politics are operated by people. People with their own issues, agendas and abilities thrown in an extremely complicated web of human affairs trying to make something better by bad compromises.

Anyone who complains about the UN might want to look into the details what their capabilities actually are, how the political spectrum looks like when they make a decision and the potential consequences that could occur.
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vsr: If it was true, you would have been playing Fallout in real life (for a few days, maybe weeks if you're lucky).
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Shadowstalker16: I didn't know Reagan was a UN guy. Guess we learn something new everyday.
I didn't know i was talking about Reagan. Kudos to an Indian telepath! :P
World is full of practical jokes, not many of them are funny.
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Shadowstalker16: I didn't know Reagan was a UN guy. Guess we learn something new everyday.
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vsr: I didn't know i was talking about Reagan. Kudos to an Indian telepath! :P
Well I didn't know UN had a dog in the fight during the cold war. Then again, who knows who has some nukes ready these days amiri8?
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infinite9: As a bonus...
Easy now Mao.
Yes, violence is easiest to be dealt with with violence. Yet who really would be the monsters? An eye for an eye will leave us all blind.
The best way to fix all of this is education. Proper, level headed education. Not this current "Special snowflake" education currently going on in the west.

The entire middle east has become a violent, intolerant, end of days / mad max kind of place. The west really did not help by bombing and sanctioning the few countries that were attempting to modernise whilst buying everything from those countries that were happily holding themselves back.
The thing is that as with anywhere, most of the people just want to get on by. Most Saudi women, and men, do not care about the rights they do not have, but westerns bitch and whine about not having enough regulation on them.
Or blacks claiming that they deserve repayments for their forefathers enslavement (even though slavery is something that no-one alive today in the west was responsible for, nor would do), whist the Arabs had their slaves castrated, so there never would be future generations to claim anything, and they still treat blacks as sub-humans.

In the end the only people will be the people of Allah.
الله تكون على استعداد

;-)
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bayzent: Ignorance is bliss or something like that. I also find hilarious how we Euros have been asked to take about 30 Million of a country of 18 Million. Hey we have to also take all those "Syrian refugees" from Afghanistan and Iraq apparently (still wondering how many "Syrian refugees" are the other Sunni countries taking btw, I know Jordan is taking some and Saudi Arabia had taken a couple they were using as slave lab...I mean, happy totally free workers, but haven't heard of anybody else)
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Shadowstalker16: Turkey and Lebanon took serious numbers; to the point of not being able to allow more even if they wanted to. Then Germany and the Scandinavian countries also took a lot. Saudi Arabia too less than 5000 I believe.
German government estimates 1,500,000 "asylum seekers" in 2015 in Germany.
You can't compare this to any of the other countries you mentioned. It's insane.
What is happening here has a completely different dimension and the numbers of other countries look very pale to this.
Mind, that Germany had a national debt of 2,1552 trillions before this already.
Post edited December 07, 2015 by Klumpen0815
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Klumpen0815: German government estimates 1,500,000 "asylum seekers" in 2015 in Germany.
You can't compare this to any of the other countries you mentioned. It's insane.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34131911

Look at the graph "Asylum applications per 100,000 local population". There are four countries above Germany: Hungary, Sweden, Austria and Finland. Germany is fifth. That graph includes data up to November though, so it isn't quite the latest data I guess.

The funny thing about Finland is that most of the asylum seekers were not Syrians, but Iraqis and Somalis. The reason Iraqis and Somalis wanted to travel all the way to Finland (across Germany, Denmark and Sweden, all the way to the northern parts of Finland where there is no sea separating Finland from Sweden or other EU countries) was as they learned the acceptance rates for Iraqi and Somali asylum seekers was far higher than in any of the other EU countries. Also Finland doesn't have a return agreement with e.g. Iraq (for asylum seekers who are not granted asylum), like e.g. Sweden does. So quite often such people can stay in Finland "for secondary reasons".

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/world/2015/11/25/end-of-the-line/?hpid=hp_hp-more-top-stories_finland-1145am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory
Post edited December 08, 2015 by timppu
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infinite9: As a bonus...
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011284mm: Easy now Mao.
Yes, violence is easiest to be dealt with with violence. Yet who really would be the monsters? An eye for an eye will leave us all blind.
The best way to fix all of this is education. Proper, level headed education. Not this current "Special snowflake" education currently going on in the west.

The entire middle east has become a violent, intolerant, end of days / mad max kind of place. The west really did not help by bombing and sanctioning the few countries that were attempting to modernise whilst buying everything from those countries that were happily holding themselves back.
The thing is that as with anywhere, most of the people just want to get on by. Most Saudi women, and men, do not care about the rights they do not have, but westerns bitch and whine about not having enough regulation on them.
Or blacks claiming that they deserve repayments for their forefathers enslavement (even though slavery is something that no-one alive today in the west was responsible for, nor would do), whist the Arabs had their slaves castrated, so there never would be future generations to claim anything, and they still treat blacks as sub-humans.

In the end the only people will be the people of Allah.
الله تكون على استعداد

;-)
Education? People have tried that and ended up creating sitting ducks for more attacks. Just because it is considered easy to use one type of violence against another does not mean it is dumb or bad. Imperial Japan and the United States were archenemies during the War in the Pacific portion of WW2 and after numerous bloody battles, the firebombing of Tokyo, and the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki; Imperial Japan was defeated and now the US and Japan are close allies and trading partners. The proper education I would provide is teaching people combat such as the use of the semi-auto rifle, pump-action shotgun, semi-auto pistol, and various melee combat techniques from kickboxing to the use of knives.

As for the "monsters," the monsters are the ones who support the raping and assault of women because they did not dress Islamic enough or for walking outside without a male escort. The monsters are the ones who support the systematic repression and killing of anyone who is not of their particular religious view. I do not see Christians, Heathens, Pagans, Shintoists, or Buddhists doing this right now. I see Muslims doing that. As for the things you mentioned, there was more to the enslavement of blacks than just whites being mean to non-whites. There were ethnic Jewish merchants who financed the Atlantic Slave Trade and black slaveholders in the American colonies. Many black slaves were already enslaved by the North Africans and many were taken captive by rival black tribesmen. Islam does not compare to black slavery and I happen to know that many white Europeans were taken away by enslavers as part of the Barbary Slave Trade and Middle Eastern slave trade. The women were used as sex slaves and that is why some North Africans and Middle Easterners have striking physical similarities to Germanic and Celtic people.

If it was up to me, much of the Assyrians and Israelis would be relocated to Egypt, much of the Kurds would be relocated to eastern Turkey, Istanbul would be renamed Constantinople, and much of the Persians would be relocated to Kazakhstan right before the following land adjustment to Southwest Asia...
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infinite9: If it was up to me, much of the Assyrians and Israelis would be relocated to Egypt, much of the Kurds would be relocated to eastern Turkey, Istanbul would be renamed Constantinople, and much of the Persians would be relocated to Kazakhstan right before the following land adjustment to Southwest Asia...
The 'ole nuke the middle east tactic lol? Other than the obvious humanitarian concerns;

-You'd nuke most of the world's oil supply
-Drive the Asiatic Cheetah to extinction
-Destroy hundreds of sites of immense historical value
-Irradiate the Nile Delta
-Many other stuff I still don't know

Also, how and when did all Muslim people live in the Middle East? Highest Muslim population is in Indonesia, then India, then Bangladesh, then Pakistan, THEN Saudi Arabia, AFAIK. ONE Middle Eastern country.

Either way, funny to see this being brought up. I had seen a video rebutting this and wondered why no one rebuts this little idea. Can I find it? Wait 7 hours to find out!