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Posted December 03, 2015
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Atlantico: Precisely. It's so stupid, it's quite baffling. As if the EU needs or can handle almost 100 million piss-poor, uneducated people now or in the foreseeable future.

As is the policy of paying Turkey for "securing" their borders to prevent floods of illegal immigrants stupid, when that is something *we* should be doing. I don't even comprehend the logic behind that decision.
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bayzent: What about we don't pay Turkey for sending Terrorists to Europe, and also we take in consideration them violating the NATO directives and taking down Russian planes? Seems like a plan to me...if we were to pay Turkey properly for their "help" we would be preparing a military expedition, not giving them freebies, but that is the way I see it, and I'm apparently ignorant.

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Atlantico: With 3BN Euro I'm sure Greece, Romania, Bulgaria, Italy and Spain could secure the southern borders of the EU just fine. Fuck Turkey. They're both incapable and unwilling to do anything about this, it isn't their concern to begin with. They're just siphoning immigrants into the EU willy-nilly because they don't care. Paying them won't make them care
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bayzent: Dunno about the other four but Spain doesn't need money, what Spain needs is greenlight to protect our own sovereignty and borders. But since Northerners live on the illusion that our borders are somehow not their borders we are not going to have that. So if we put a razor wire curtain and make a deal with Morocco so the immigrants jumping the borders are taken back to the Sahara straight away, we have them bitching. If we round them up in Detention until we make sure they are not terrorists, we have them bitching, if we don't give them designer clothes, halal foods and all that crap, Europe points us angrily and bitches. And If we had true representatives we would tell them to fuck off, but since we don't we can only bitch back.

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Atlantico: Turkey currently illegally occupies an EU nation, pretends they never committed one of the most atrocious genocides of the 20th century, bats a blind eye to terrorist extremists such as ISIS and is the conduit through which ISIS sells their oil and finances itself and yet they think they can become part of the EU.. good grief. I think Merkel is batshit insane.
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bayzent: I don't care one way or another, we have all committed Genocides at some point in our histories. I care about the now, and that is that apparently Turkey can enter in the EU with less than a tenth of the requirements Spain had to go through to enter. And that they are trying to drag NATO to a war with Russia. Any answer that is not isolating them diplomatically and letting them sort themselves out is going to fuck Europe up, but hey that is kinda something Germans seem to love doing anyway so...
Turkey doesn't need money either to stop illegal immigration. Not my point. And why should Spain not receive money if extra burdens were asked of the Spanish people to secure their sovereign borders? Even if it is not *needed*, I think that's fair to get money for that. A greenlight would also be provided of course.

So why is Turkey getting this treatment? What makes them or their borders so special? Do terrorists not have boats? Are they vampires and can't cross water?

While we've all committed genocides, but we owe up to them. Turkey denies it. There's a moral difference. Just shows what kind of people we're dealing with.

Turkey can not enter the EU, that's just politician talk for now. Appeasing Turkey, which wants to hear this. But now they just don't fulfill the conditions. And because you care only for the now, well right now Turkey illegally occupies a sovereign EU nation and has done so for decades. If Turkey had occupied half of Mallorca, would you think they'd be let into the EU? No of course not. Occupying half of Cyprus is pretty much the same.

Anyway, just pissed off over this inexplicable impotent and pathetic motion made by Merkel and the EU heads.
Post edited December 03, 2015 by Atlantico
Posted December 03, 2015
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Atlantico: Turkey doesn't need money either to stop illegal immigration. Not my point. And why should Spain not receive money if extra burdens were asked of the Spanish people to secure their sovereign borders? Even if it is not *needed*, I think that's fair to get money for that. A greenlight would also be provided of course.

So why is Turkey getting this treatment? What makes them or their borders so special? Do terrorists not have boats? Are they vampires and can't cross water?
Oh I agree, what they need is us closing our borders to them and cancelling diplomatic negotiations, but they are a NATO member so that is not gonna happen because then Obama will get pissy. And when America tells us to jump the only thing we are allowed to ask is "how high" anyway.

The thing is that for every € we get, we have to (roughly) pay 1.5€ back. There are no gifts in the EU (to EU members at least), and even if it is to protect common interests, we will be forced to pay. The strain is big enough in Spanish families as it is already because we have to pay back the debt that our beloved politicians caused so they and their families won't have to know what it is to work one day. Heard in Greece is about the same situation.

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Atlantico: Turkey can not enter the EU, that's just politician talk for now. Appeasing Turkey, which wants to hear this. But now they just don't fulfill the conditions. And because you care only for the now, well right now Turkey illegally occupies a sovereign EU nation and has done so for decades. If Turkey had occupied half of Mallorca, would you think they'd be let into the EU? No of course not. Occupying half of Cyprus is pretty much the same.
I wouldn't be so sure. If anything is clear to me is the the EU does not have our backs or interests at its heart. At best it seems to rejoice in the suffering of its members, be it by blowing up their economies (South) or by forcing upon them unbearable immigration policies (North and East) but let's leave that talk to other time. By the way your analogy is wrong, Cyprus is an independent State so it would be more like occupying half of Spain straight away. And yeah I still think that even if half of Spain is occupied by Turkey it would still be eligible as a member of the EU, I mean, look at the UK (And yes I know people of Gibraltar obviously doesn't want to be Spanish, but Northern Cyprus doesn't want to be Cypriot either so there is that). If you want less of a dead horse look at the case of Northern Ireland.
Post edited December 03, 2015 by bayzent
Posted December 03, 2015
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Klumpen0815: So, can someone explain this joke to me?

In September 2015, Faisal bin Hassan Trad, Saudi Arabia's ambassador to the UN in Geneva, has been elected Chair of the United Nations Human Rights Council panel.
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Klumpen0815: 5 Everyday Things Banned in Saudi Arabia
You must know by now who really runs things behind the scenes?
Posted December 03, 2015
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Atlantico: Turkey doesn't need money either to stop illegal immigration. Not my point. And why should Spain not receive money if extra burdens were asked of the Spanish people to secure their sovereign borders? Even if it is not *needed*, I think that's fair to get money for that. A greenlight would also be provided of course.

So why is Turkey getting this treatment? What makes them or their borders so special? Do terrorists not have boats? Are they vampires and can't cross water?
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bayzent: Oh I agree, what they need is us closing our borders to them and cancelling diplomatic negotiations, but they are a NATO member so that is not gonna happen because then Obama will get pissy. And when America tells us to jump the only thing we are allowed to ask is "how high" anyway.

The thing is that for every € we get, we have to (roughly) pay 1.5€ back. There are no gifts in the EU (to EU members at least), and even if it is to protect common interests, we will be forced to pay. The strain is big enough in Spanish families as it is already because we have to pay back the debt that our beloved politicians caused so they and their families won't have to know what it is to work one day. Heard in Greece is about the same situation.

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Atlantico: Turkey can not enter the EU, that's just politician talk for now. Appeasing Turkey, which wants to hear this. But now they just don't fulfill the conditions. And because you care only for the now, well right now Turkey illegally occupies a sovereign EU nation and has done so for decades. If Turkey had occupied half of Mallorca, would you think they'd be let into the EU? No of course not. Occupying half of Cyprus is pretty much the same.
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bayzent: I wouldn't be so sure. If anything is clear to me is the the EU does not have our backs or interests at its heart. At best it seems to rejoice in the suffering of its members, be it by blowing up their economies (South) or by forcing upon them unbearable immigration policies (North and East) but let's leave that talk to other time. By the way your analogy is wrong, Cyprus is an independent State so it would be more like occupying half of Spain straight away. And yeah I still think that even if half of Spain is occupied by Turkey it would still be eligible as a member of the EU, I mean, look at the UK (And yes I know people of Gibraltar obviously doesn't want to be Spanish, but Northern Cyprus doesn't want to be Cypriot either so there is that). If you want less of a dead horse look at the case of Northern Ireland.
Northern Cyprus isn't a country recognized by anyone. Except Turkey. The rest of your post, well I don't disagree with most of it, but it's too jaded and edgy for my taste.
Posted December 03, 2015
I can see their plans now.............whale conservation, by Japan, beef and meat regulation, by India, freedom of press and speech, by North Korea, rhino conservation, by China, art recognition and preservation, by Saudi Arabia, men's rights, by Canada, international border regulation, by Sweden, Middle East development, by Israel, elimination of homophobia, by Russia, peaceful use of radioactive material, by Iran, anticensorship, by Australia, what else?

Not to offend anyone ofc, just making a joke of the perceived sins of countries' governments and their policies, and certainly not people who live there.
Posted December 03, 2015
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Atlantico: Northern Cyprus isn't a country recognized by anyone. Except Turkey. The rest of your post, well I don't disagree with most of it, but it's too jaded and edgy for my taste.
That just means their sponsors are not as influential politically as, say, the ones of Kosovo...nothing more, nothing less...I don't think it would be too much of a stretch to say that a country sponsored by, let's say, France, would have a wider international recognition that one sponsored by, let's say, Sierra Leone...

Sorry if I sound cynical, but understand that in the EU North and South have had a very different experience, so it seems logical we come to severely different conclusions...

It is hard not to be drowsy when your Government tells you it's going to take 3.900 Syrian refugees and give them 600€/month plus pay their kids education and their living costs, while you see that many families around you have to go to soup houses to feed themselves after they finish a full time job, and then read people telling me how we Europeans are so privileged and outsiders coming to Europe are all so poor and in need of help, I hope at least you'd give me that.
Post edited December 03, 2015 by bayzent
Posted December 03, 2015
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bayzent: It is hard not to be drowsy when your Government tells you it's going to take 3.900 Syrian refugees and give them 600€/month plus pay their kids education and their living costs, while you see that many families around you have to go to soup houses to feed themselves after they finish a full time job, and then read people telling me how we Europeans are so privileged and outsiders coming to Europe are all so poor and in need of help, I hope at least you'd give me that.
Imagine this with 1.5 Million Syrians (including pseudo Syrians, claiming to be one is easy) and you've nailed the situation in (especcially eastern) Germany pretty well, only that many people here just completely give up on the family concept because it's too expensive, that's why Germany currently has the lowest birth rate on this planet. As long as we can feed huge families from elsewhere, people born here don't need the possbility to feed a family anymore themselves, right?
Posted December 04, 2015
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Klumpen0815: Imagine this with 1.5 Million Syrians (including pseudo Syrians, claiming to be one is easy) and you've nailed the situation in (especcially eastern) Germany pretty well, only that many people here just completely give up on the family concept because it's too expensive, that's why Germany currently has the lowest birth rate on this planet. As long as we can feed huge families from elsewhere, people born here don't need the possbility to feed a family anymore themselves, right?
When I say families I mean people who were born in like the 50's and have kids now, not newly started families...and Germany has the double of population we have. Japan I think has a lower birth rate since their population is literally dying so...but hey in Glorious Deutschland you are also giving each family about 1.300€ so, I guess you do have reasons to complain too

The thing that pisses me off is that we have had a lot of austerity measures that are literally killing the country for four entire years, but now there is a lot of money to let these guys do anything they want here...thanks European Politicians!

And they wonder why the Extreme Right is rising and why we are becoming increasingly racist...

As for another more cheerful news this may give us a clue about how the policies of the UN would be for now on.

Nothing out of the ordinary, carry on citizen.
Post edited December 04, 2015 by bayzent
Posted December 04, 2015
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Shadowstalker16: beef and meat regulation, by India
Just curious, what other meat regulations do we have? (Are you referring to the ban on eating endangered animal meat?) And I thought even the cow slaughter was allowed in few states and in several others you could obtain a slaughter certificate or some such.
Posted December 04, 2015
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Shadowstalker16: beef and meat regulation, by India
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Hunter65536: Just curious, what other meat regulations do we have? (Are you referring to the ban on eating endangered animal meat?) And I thought even the cow slaughter was allowed in few states and in several others you could obtain a slaughter certificate or some such.
Nothing at all. Even beef is not banned per se as you said.My classmates and I just make jokes about these stuff and I posted some here. Same goes with the other stuff. I'm sure no one will eat Sperm Whale meat, or do anything else on that list :P
Posted December 04, 2015
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34982154

No comments. The article says plenty.

As for UN, as it is now, it's the equivalent of the League of Nations in the thirties of the last century. Vastly useless and a sad joke.
Posted December 04, 2015
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Shadowstalker16: Nothing at all. Even beef is not banned per se as you said.My classmates and I just make jokes about these stuff and I posted some here. Same goes with the other stuff. I'm sure no one will eat Sperm Whale meat, or do anything else on that list :P
Ah I'm sorry, I've been a bit burnt out due to high stress in the past three weeks I didn't understand your post properly. Actually I had another look and them laws are very strict, so you were right albeit in an unintentional manner.
Posted December 04, 2015
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Shadowstalker16: Nothing at all. Even beef is not banned per se as you said.My classmates and I just make jokes about these stuff and I posted some here. Same goes with the other stuff. I'm sure no one will eat Sperm Whale meat, or do anything else on that list :P
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Hunter65536: Ah I'm sorry, I've been a bit burnt out due to high stress in the past three weeks I didn't understand your post properly. Actually I had another look and them laws are very strict, so you were right albeit in an unintentional manner.
Hmm that seems stupidly restrictive. And it seems fairly recent. Many right wingers always tell me there won't be an outright ban, but it seems they're getting close in some places.
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wolfsrain: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34982154

No comments. The article says plenty.

As for UN, as it is now, it's the equivalent of the League of Nations in the thirties of the last century. Vastly useless and a sad joke.
So 150 executions so far in 2015. More than the Paris attacks. For crimes not directly violent or encouraging violence.
Post edited December 04, 2015 by Shadowstalker16
Posted December 04, 2015
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Hunter65536: Ah I'm sorry, I've been a bit burnt out due to high stress in the past three weeks I didn't understand your post properly. Actually I had another look and them laws are very strict, so you were right albeit in an unintentional manner.
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Shadowstalker16: Hmm that seems stupidly restrictive. And it seems fairly recent. Many right wingers always tell me there won't be an outright ban, but it seems they're getting close in some places.
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wolfsrain: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34982154

No comments. The article says plenty.

As for UN, as it is now, it's the equivalent of the League of Nations in the thirties of the last century. Vastly useless and a sad joke.
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Shadowstalker16: So 150 executions so far in 2015. More than the Paris attacks. For crimes not directly violent or encouraging violence.
What do you expect? Saudi Arabia is exactly what ISIS tries to establish on a global scale, an islamic state which is indeed the ultimate goal Muhammad formulated so unmistakably in his "Mein Kampf - Arabic Edition".

Flogging and killing people for being gay, a free thinker, an independend woman, an unmarried lover, an apostate or being a "Sorcerer or Witch/er" is not cool, but that's what some people want for all of us and letting Saudi Arabia have a say in anything Human Rights related is fitting to the direction we are (be)heading.
Post edited December 04, 2015 by Klumpen0815
Posted December 04, 2015
More of me day by day wants to turn much of the Middle East into glass and smoking craters. This is one of them for this and for the attack in California.

The United Nations is literally the biggest present day joke. It focuses on phony issues while turning a blind eye to real ones. It screwed up big time Rwanda and the other African nations. It also tries to push for dumbass international weapons laws while turning a blind eye to the pre-existing blackmarket and dirty government deals.

I would welcome energy independence for the United States or at least enough to cut out Saudi Arabia but then there's the issue of rare earth elements/metals/minerals and mainland China.
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