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DarzaR: You are truly misguided. UN have nothing to do with keeping "superpowers" in balance.
Please re-take your 8 or 9th grade history class. The UN was created due to the inefficiency of the League of Nations. And UN never had the same objectives as the League of Nations because ensuring peace in the whole world would mean empowering the "white men's burden" ideology. Moreover, the UN stabilizes the situation among superpowers by providing them with a permanent seat on the security council. No one else outside the superpowers has a permanent seat. And the votes of the superpowers are over most of the other countries'.
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apehater: but somehow the discussion in this thread is driven away from ukraine to uno and i'm ashamed to have supported this.
Last 1.5 pages could be deleted without any harm, that for sure. My fault mostly.
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HijacK: I'm I'm telling you again. The United Nations' primary objective is to keep superpowers in balance, not to assure the freedom of unstable countries. If the latter was the case,the organization would have ceased to exist a long time ago due to so many countries African and Middle East countries who just enter conflicts like it's nobody's business. Oh wait. It really isn't.
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apehater: for now i only see one super power in the world when it comes to the military part, requiered to conquer.

its the usa, no other nations or union has so much mobile amphibious units and air vehicle.

i havent seen how the uno succeed at balancing the usa actions in lybia or irak.
Why would UN want to balance US's contribution in second to third world countries? I'll repeat it one last time. UN is supposed to balance the relationships AMONG superpowers, not among first world countries and second/third world countries. It's supposed to balance the situation among the countries that are powerful and are able to start a third world war. So far Lybia and Irak can't even get out of terrorism, let alone start a world war.
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apehater: thank you

you were very polite during the discussion and i appreciate this, i have seen here in some threads people get very impolite.

but somehow the discussion in this thread is driven away from ukraine to uno and i'm ashamed to have supported this.
That happens sometimes, often actually :)

Have fun, and back on topic, Ukraine is a sovereign nation and should be respected as such.
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DarzaR: You are truly misguided. UN have nothing to do with keeping "superpowers" in balance.
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HijacK: Please re-take your 8 or 9th grade history class. The UN was created due to the inefficiency of the League of Nations. And UN never had the same objectives as the League of Nations because ensuring peace in the whole world would mean empowering the "white men's burden" ideology. Moreover, the UN stabilizes the situation among superpowers by providing them with a permanent seat on the security council. No one else outside the superpowers has a permanent seat. And the votes of the superpowers are over most of the other countries'.
You're serious now too? Literally you are claiming now, what after LN was totally failed with its agenda, only the great idea of providing a table for some guys, who, otherwise had not place to sit somewhere else and talk as i got, and amusing them with ability to vetoe eachother prevent them from start an imminent all-out war between them? "-We're starting WW3 nao! -Vetoed! -:((." Problem here is all such stuff doesnt work without NWO, WMB or whatewher you call it. In case "sacred UNSEC" will decide to act - it would be called NWO, WMB, Imperialism, any colour you like. And in case theyll veto eachother, but still act - it will be called the same. You cannot have an entity what is above sovereign countries, and then reject its proposals, claiming sovereignity. Its of no use then. But you can make it absolutely ineffective, and notice it only in cases when it fails, happily forgotten about its existence all other time. But its of no use again then.
Post edited August 11, 2014 by DarzaR
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HijacK: Why would UN want to balance US's contribution in second to third world countries? I'll repeat it one last time. UN is supposed to balance the relationships AMONG superpowers, not among first world countries and second/third world countries. It's supposed to balance the situation among the countries that are powerful and are able to start a third world war. So far Lybia and Irak can't even get out of terrorism, let alone start a world war.
i would like to stop discussing about uno cause (as i said) this starts to get not anymore a discussion about ukraine civil war, i suggest to continue on a new thread maybe called: "how usefull is the united nations organization"?
Post edited August 11, 2014 by apehater
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apehater: i would like to stop discussing about uno cause (as i said) this starts to get not anymore a discussion about ukraine civil war, i suggest to continue on a new thread maybe called: "how usefull is the united nations organization"?
Well, as there is no such thing as "Ukraine Civil War" happening, in fact you can discuss UN, or posting kitties here aswell, as you couldnt go offtop too deeply discussing non-existent abstract things anyway.
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DarzaR: Well, as there is no such thing as "Ukraine Civil War" happening, in fact you can discuss UN, or posting kitties here aswell, as you couldnt go offtop too deeply discussing non-existent abstract things anyway.
whats posting kitties?

from what i know there is a civil war, but of course please state why it isnt? by the way i assume you are from russia, cause everyone here can change the country, which is viewed under the avatar pic.
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apehater: whats posting kitties?

from what i know there is a civil war, but of course please state why it isnt? by the way i assume you are from russia, cause everyone here can change the country, which is viewed under the avatar pic.
Adding of information what would lead to reader's receiving an image of kitten transferred to his\her mind through visual feeling. Could be link to a such photo, drawing, ASCII drawing here etc.

From what you know there is a civil war? Because this thread is named that way? And your second question have an answer inside it.
Post edited August 11, 2014 by DarzaR
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apehater: whats posting kitties?

from what i know there is a civil war, but of course please state why it isnt? by the way i assume you are from russia, cause everyone here can change the country, which is viewed under the avatar pic.
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DarzaR: Adding of information what would lead to reader's receiving an image of kitten transferred to his\her mind through visual feeling. Could be link to a such photo, drawing, ASCII drawing here etc.

From what you know there is a civil war? Because this thread is named that way? And your second question have an answer inside it.
ok why do you think or know there is no civil war in ukraine?
I decided not to respond to anyone this time.

I stand by what I said, way back: there is not a civil war in the Ukraine, but there is shit on the boots of many others there.
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Dischord: but there is shit on the boots of many others there.
you mean mercenarries?
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apehater: ok why do you think or know there is no civil war in ukraine?
Because it lacks required prerequisites, and bear signs of external agression, eh. Cant believe you actually participating here, but somehow missed that stuff. http://awesci.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Dunning-Kruger.jpg
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apehater: you mean mercenarries?
I mean interests outside of the people there.
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apehater: ok why do you think or know there is no civil war in ukraine?
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DarzaR: Because it lacks required prerequisites, and bear signs of external agression, eh. Cant believe you actually participating here, but somehow missed that stuff. http://awesci.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Dunning-Kruger.jpg
is your post suppose to insult me? if yes then why i prefer to discuss without such things. if you want a discussion with insults, offense and aggression, then i wont continuing to discuss with you on this topic
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apehater: you mean mercenarries?
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Dischord: I mean interests outside of the people there.
yes ok, but from what i know the ukraine army uses air bomber and artellery against own people inside the country, that is civil war for me. of course the situation is grown up to this by help from outside.

and to clearify, with help from outside i mean the help that the provisoric government in kiew recieves, i'm on the site of russia.
Post edited August 11, 2014 by apehater