Well, of course.

All I was pointing out, is that its not like russian government got its reputation for nothing, thus what seems simply anti-russian, is actually based on the government's actuation of which I gave only some examples.

I was also getting at the fact, that the current government has strong russian support, which is an indirect cause of the today's situation (direct being the actuation of the Ukrainian government itself).

Also, note the situation of the opposition, which is constantly getting harassed.

Nobody was joking. I was being serious. I know this is no laughing matter.

A little off-topic, but you may find it interesting.

Two historical events related to Ukraine you (most likely) do not know about.
1) Hunger-extermination 1932-33
2) Massacres in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia

its sad to see we humans are becoming very intolerant now

You think we were ever better?

Humans have always been very intolerant. This is nothing new. Same old shit.

You guys should look up whats happening in Venezuela. Its even worse than Ukraine and no one is covering it.

Update for today, more casualties, signs the Ukrainian political authorities are fracturing along clear lines.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/21/world/europe/ukraine.html?_r=0

I am again somewhat surprised at the level of sophistication being employed by the oppostion side, they are sure playing for all they're worth. They know army intervention is highly likely to be game over for them.

See this for unbiased analysis of potential outcomes re civil war. Link inside also good.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/02/19/could-ukraines-crisis-become-a-civil-war/

In this instance, the dilemma should rest on the outcome of an athletic event. I put money on Vitali Klitschko.

Welcome to politics.

If anyone has paid any attention to Thailand - there has been demonstrations going on for quite some time. And probably will last until the current king dies and THEN the shit will really hit the fan.

Anyways, also in Thailand both of the sides are more or less corrupted and support network of insider-good-guys foremost. Apparently the current king has actually been very good one, but its doubtful he will live more than a few years and unfortunately there does not seem to be proper (lawful) successor.

Thus no doubt the division bitween "reds" and "yellows" will deepen and in worst case the tourist paradise will turn into civil war and division of country. Should this happen, ofcourse the muslim minority in southern Thailand will no doubt finally want their independence and add their share to chaos.

Such is the way of politics.

It is the simple folk in between which is also on the streets right now (or was). At least them cannot be so corrupt than the president whose family allegedly collect millions or billions in the last year. So new elections and an improvement of the constitution are steps in the right direction. But why had people to die for it in the last days?

I don't know what to do in these states where basically corruption is everywhere like many of the former soviet republics, like italy, like greece, like half of afrika, south and central america, half of asia, ... and many more. I guess the only option that the simple folks has to organize itself and start their own political parties which is a very hard way, go on the streets when the constitution is weakened and switch government as often as possible because the longer someone is in command, the worse it gets.

In principle Yanukovich should already be facing trials because of existing anti corruption laws (if they exist). It shouldn't be a task for the opposition to help him out of office. Obviously everything that is democratic is very weak in the Ukraine. A failed state. We have a chance to help there, mostly financial in case they do the right thing. Ukraine is very close to germany, just one country away. We have to help the democracy and fight the corruption and save people from getting killed. That is what I would demand as principle guided behavior. I hope it comes across as non too propaganda misled talk. :)

So now getting better? There will be new early elections later this year, and power of the president will be weakened back to 2004 levels (constitution will be changed back)?

Congrats if they really were able to ease the situation with talks, and EU + Russia on the same table too. At least doing better so far than how it goes in Bangkok... I say, the people get the leader they deserve, so if the current president gets re-elected, so be it. (Like in Thailand the protesters are actually _against_ new elections, as they know they will lose it again as the common people in the rural areas prefer the current prime minister; fjuck the democracy, right?).

EDIT: Link below, I originally read it in Finnish from www.hs.fi

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26289318

Battledome. Putin vs. Klitschko. Bring it on.

Hi folks,

for those who are interested - yesterdays deal had no positive political impact at all, besides making EU politicans happy for themselves - they agreed to leave Yanukovich as a president till December while next scheduled election was going to happen in March, so it's basically looks like showing huge "f##k you, you've died for nothing" sign to activists.There was positive tactical impact though, as police forces started leaving Kiev. Of course that deal wasn't accepted and people made an ultimatum giving Yanukovich 24 hours to either resign or face the riot anger. As a result - he ran away from Kiev and is now hiding somewhere. Hopefully that doesn't matter anymore as ukrainian parliament removed him from his position by now, despite he's not going to accept that.

Overall, there were awful few months, with many deaths that could and should have been avoided. The saddest part is how people and police were brainwashed in pro-russian Eastern part of Ukraine - goverment convinced them that all people on maidan are nazis (it's a lie, there were no nazi forces there at all, it's a fact) and will force them to abandon their faith, culture and language (eastern part is russian-speaking mostly) which is also a lie, there are thousands of russian-speaking people even in most pro-ukrainian Lviv, so basically 100+ people died because few nutjobs were not willing to give away their power.