I just asked about it, because i clearly had seen with my own eyes what its just autonomous district of Republic of Serbia on maps in Belgrade few months ago. And i see the same stuff on local maps. Can you somehow validate your claim about it therefore? I just mean - what exactly make opinion of some user of some game forum more valid than position of governmental agencies in this case? Even if this certain user is from ex-GreaterYugoslavia country.

Yes I know that Serbia still thinks that Kosovo is part of the country but that is not true since 2008 when Kosovo declared independence and the country was recognized by at this moment 108 countries on this world. 108 states have it on their maps as a free state.

And Kosovo is on all Slovenian maps and maps from all other EU countries listed as a sovereign state of Kosovo if you speak about geography and Serbia can be in denial about it as long as she want's to do it. But Serbia will have to recognize Kosovo as a sovereign state before becoming part of EU which they wan't to do.

I know what you are know it, question was about what exactly make it more valid in this case. How come Slovenian-printed maps of Serbia are more valid than Serbian-printed. Just because you know all about them better than they do on their own about their own country, as in case of NK democracy?

No use talking to you since you don't know anything about real world besides Putins propaganda and NK a democracy yeah when pigs will be able to fly - so much about that.

So it was indeed the first option, got. Also you finally proved what you are replying in the thread without reading it throughthully. Sorry for taking your time.

I would say that any war is always bad insofar as there might have been peaceful options which weren't pursuit enough.

On the other hand giving weapons and shit can be seen as kind of direct involvement. But even more it can mean the difference between retreating and resisting. It could even make the Ukrainians confident enough that they think they can withstand Russia. Maybe they even do if they act confident enough. Otherwise if Putins sees that he can have success he will try the same tactics again and again with real losses only a matter of time. And in the long run one cannot run away too often. Maybe it gets worse everytime or at some point there is nowhere to run away. But it could go wrong easily as well with Russia feeling they have nothing to lose. Anyway I think we are already at this point.

Very difficult situation. From tomorrow on we will see the answers.

Russia and Ukraine made a ceasefire valid till next friday now. This could be a precursor to a real military conflict t since both countries are officialy recongnizing this a military conflict a.k.a. war with the ceasefire agreement.

Yeah but as nice as the Star Trek dream is there will always been conflicts where there is no peaceful resolution possible, like in WW2. Europe tried forever to stop that war before it began but they couldn't, no matter how appeasing they were. If Putin goes literally nuts and decided to reconquer the USSR territories then eventually it will lead to war.

Human beings gonna human.

Venice today holds a referendum to secede from Italy as Venetian republic.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/03/15/more-sovereignty-votes-sunday-referendum-may-see-venice-elect-to-secede-from-italy/

Now where are the screams about "territorial integrity and indivisibility" from those who screamed about Crimea referendum?

Is Venice voting to join a separate country which is occupying them militarily right now? Was the Venice vote organized within a single month against Italian law?

It's like you guys can't see differences at all. "The US did this before!" "Scotland is having a vote!" "Ukraine was part of Russia for a while sort of!"

Just see it for what it is, please, then defend it if you can.

Venice was not occupied by foreign troops and then forced to vote on a fake referendum with glass voting boxes with only voting possibilities: 1. Join Russia now 2. Join Russia later - look at the voting papers in Crimea.

Besides Scotland will also have a referendum to secede from Great Britain and it is ok and good for them to do that since they do it by themselves and they wan't to have their own indepedent country and not some foreign power in order to annex foreign land.

This is a very informative discussion. Our media here rarely discusses the Russian/Ukranian conflict which I think is very telling of their attitude. I come here to find out what's going on. I have friends from all over the world including Russia and this increases my concern.

The even more funny thing is what looks like you are somehow still able to see a differences between late 30-s of previous century and recent time. You defeated the UK in ww2 and won it, but now looks like you're falling to the same trap as UK that time. Hope im is wrong here.

I honestly have no idea what you're talking about here. We defeated the UK? Do you mean in taking the reigns of Western imperialism? Okay yeah, I guess.

My point, which seems lost on every pro-Russia poster, is that comparisons don't matter. First off you can't point to others' wrong actions to support your wrong actions. "Bush and Hitler did it too so we're all good!" It doesn't work that way at all. Secondly there are real common sense differences you guys keep ignoring... your military INVADED a sovereign state and they held a puppet election like means something. Own up to it and defend it if you think it's right, but don't rely on twisted comparisons that mean nothing.