Posted March 06, 2014
Some thoughts:
1. the police had the order to shoot in the legs of the armed people, not to kill them (confirmed by radio recordings),this doesn't exclude that there were also other directives, but sounds strange to me because Ukraine isn't a third world country where violent civil war is normal and barely causes reactions, Ianukovitch and the police surely knew that loose killing of demonstrants would have caused a complete mess.
2. the deaths weren't simply the result of the fights in the streets, but of snipers too. Same kind of (sniper rifle) ammunition was found on wounded of both sides. Therefore both sides had to have snipers using the same rifle, or somebody shot both people and policemen.
3. candidates in this case could be anyone: nationalists, EU/USA secret services, even russians if the doctor (allegedly with the manifestants) is actually with the russians, and shared false infos with the estonian minister. I'd vote for EU or USA in collaboration with the rebels.
4. in any case the new Ukrainian government/faction is behaving like shit: attempt to pass a law to ban russian language, beatings on russian orthodox priests and old deputees, and more I find out every day.
A comment on an italian online newspaper (http://www.ilgiornale.it/news/esteri/telefonata-urmas-paet-e-catherine-ashton-998883.html)
"La sorella della amica di mia moglie che ha un negozio di alimentari a Kiev aveva già raccontato alla sorella su chi sparavano i cecchini, quindi questa notizia è una conferma. Infatti venivano definiti " avanzi di galera " questi personaggi che " requisivano " anche viveri nei negozi e automobili da chi circolava, puntando il mitra e facendoli scendere. Bella gente, ma non tutti erano ucraini, vi erano serbi, rumeni e gente che parlava inglese."
(the sister of one of my wife's friends who owns a food shop in Kiev told already her sister on whom the snipers shot, so this news [the phone call] is a confirmation. As a matter of fact these characters were defined "jailbirds", and they also stole food in shops and cars from people driving in the streets, aiming at them with guns and making them get out. Nice people, but not all of them were Ukrainians, there were serbs, rumanians and people who spoke english)
Seems to me that right wing extremists from half Europe met there, and I'll assume from now on that those who support this rebellion are their sympathizers.
1. the police had the order to shoot in the legs of the armed people, not to kill them (confirmed by radio recordings),this doesn't exclude that there were also other directives, but sounds strange to me because Ukraine isn't a third world country where violent civil war is normal and barely causes reactions, Ianukovitch and the police surely knew that loose killing of demonstrants would have caused a complete mess.
2. the deaths weren't simply the result of the fights in the streets, but of snipers too. Same kind of (sniper rifle) ammunition was found on wounded of both sides. Therefore both sides had to have snipers using the same rifle, or somebody shot both people and policemen.
3. candidates in this case could be anyone: nationalists, EU/USA secret services, even russians if the doctor (allegedly with the manifestants) is actually with the russians, and shared false infos with the estonian minister. I'd vote for EU or USA in collaboration with the rebels.
4. in any case the new Ukrainian government/faction is behaving like shit: attempt to pass a law to ban russian language, beatings on russian orthodox priests and old deputees, and more I find out every day.
A comment on an italian online newspaper (http://www.ilgiornale.it/news/esteri/telefonata-urmas-paet-e-catherine-ashton-998883.html)
"La sorella della amica di mia moglie che ha un negozio di alimentari a Kiev aveva già raccontato alla sorella su chi sparavano i cecchini, quindi questa notizia è una conferma. Infatti venivano definiti " avanzi di galera " questi personaggi che " requisivano " anche viveri nei negozi e automobili da chi circolava, puntando il mitra e facendoli scendere. Bella gente, ma non tutti erano ucraini, vi erano serbi, rumeni e gente che parlava inglese."
(the sister of one of my wife's friends who owns a food shop in Kiev told already her sister on whom the snipers shot, so this news [the phone call] is a confirmation. As a matter of fact these characters were defined "jailbirds", and they also stole food in shops and cars from people driving in the streets, aiming at them with guns and making them get out. Nice people, but not all of them were Ukrainians, there were serbs, rumanians and people who spoke english)
Seems to me that right wing extremists from half Europe met there, and I'll assume from now on that those who support this rebellion are their sympathizers.
Post edited March 06, 2014 by mg1979