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F4LL0UT: I was going to post the article but couldn't find it right away. It's in Polish but I might post it later once I find the link. It was published by one of the major Polish newspapers.
OK but then I'll start posting articles in Russian (with translation, of course). :-)
Yes it was. As everyone should know (especially the Russian government surely does) the intelligentsia is more resistant to propaganda and tends to behave more ethically than angry mobs of poor peasants. That these kinds of people tend to join the Ukrainian government rather than the separatists kinda supports the notion that the people loyal to the Ukrainian government are the good guys. If you don't acknowledge that fact you know little about your own country's history and modus operandi.
Thanks for giving me a good laugh, gods know I needed it.
You mentioned history, so let me ask you a question, were Nazis in Germany and Fascists in Italy all uneducated poor peasants? Or were they the good guys?
Given enough time, any person can be indoctrinated by propaganda if it is well-planned and there are enough resources to organize it. In case of Ukraine I see no lack in any of those factors.
Post edited February 27, 2015 by Sanjuro
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Sanjuro: snip
nope, no proofs this time. You're quite aggressive idiot (not your fault, those are your genes talking, i know) so have a good day, i don't feel like spending time stating obvious supported by every country in the world besides russia, Serbia and maybe few others:)

I fail to see how having foreigners is a bad idea as long as they are professionals. Same with protests, every country in the world went through number of them at one point of history or another. Only very twisted mind would consider fighting for rights as something bad. Or someone who's not comfortable having those in the first place.
Post edited February 27, 2015 by XenSavage
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XenSavage: nope, no proofs this time. You're quite aggressive idiot (not your fault, those are your genes talking, i know) so have a good day, i don't feel like spending time stating obvious supported by every country in the worlds besides russia, Serbia and maybe few others:)
Guten tag.
I see you live up to your nickname so all I can say is good job, carry on. Oh, and when you aren't too busy, take a look at the map Gremlion provided. Just to be sure you know how big "the worlds" (sic!) are.
I fail to see how having foreigners is a bad idea as long as they are professionals. Same with protests, every country in the world went through number of them at one point of history or another. Only very twisted mind would consider fighting for rights as something bad. Or someone who's not comfortable having those in the first place.
Of course you would. I am certain that a wanted criminal from another country with a strange taste for neckties and a history of shelling peaceful cities would make an excellent addition to your "elite". And if you are willing to bet so much on foreigners' loyalty lying with your country first... well, I guess you do deserve whatever comes next.
Yes, yes, I get it, you are free people and it's all right if you choose a president, protest against his policy, choose another one, oust him in a rebellion, choose yet another one...
Sometimes I wonder if you people know what you actually want. And I'm not talking about Ukrainians here, I'm talking about Galicians who you so much remind me of.
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vsr: bullshit
Why am I not surprised considering your country of residence.
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Gremlion: Do not expect that once taking advantage of Russia's weakness, you will receive dividends forever. Russian has always come for their money. And when they come - do not rely on an agreement signed by you, you are supposed to justify. They are not worth the paper it is written. Therefore, with the Russian is to play fair, or do not play.
- Otto von Bismarck
This transitioned from a hypocrisy 101 to a hypocrisy 102 course. You talk that you always come for your rightful belongings, yet you are unable to give back what you have stolen.
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Gremlion: Do not expect that once taking advantage of Russia's weakness, you will receive dividends forever. Russian has always come for their money. And when they come - do not rely on an agreement signed by you, you are supposed to justify. They are not worth the paper it is written. Therefore, with the Russian is to play fair, or do not play.
- Otto von Bismarck
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HijacK: This transitioned from a hypocrisy 101 to a hypocrisy 102 course. You talk that you always come for your rightful belongings, yet you are unable to give back what you have stolen.
"Stolen"?
After the Romanian Army entered Bessarabia, at the time nominally part of Russia, in the early 1918, the new Soviet government severed all diplomatic relations and confiscated the Romanian treasure. The Romanian government tried to recover the treasure in 1922, but with little success. In 1935, the USSR did return a part of the archives, and in 1956 paintings and ancient objects, most notably, the Pietroasele treasure.

"We attacked you, forget it and give us back our things?" Fair punishment, deal with it.

Or take a lesson of coming for your rightful belongings http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherbourg_Project
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vsr: bullshit
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HijacK: Why am I not surprised considering your country of residence.
I am not surprised of your attitude either, considering Romanians were part of Nazi German Waffen-SS.
Disturb me no longer, russophobe.
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Sanjuro: You mentioned history, so let me ask you a question, were Nazis in Germany and Fascists in Italy all uneducated poor peasants? Or were they the good guys?
Oh yeah, and those guys were actually getting their hands dirty themselves, weren't they? Oh no, wait, they weren't. The people used to actually perform the biggest atrocities have always been the garbage of society. What the highly educated people in power do does not at all say anything about the usual behaviour of the intellgentsia who is actually in the warzone and taking up arms.

Anyway, this is the article I mentioned but which I couldn't find earlier. Maybe a Google translation will help. And no, I don't think that there's a point to giving you this kind of evidence, I know that your twisted mind is going to instantly reject such information as made-up anti-Russian propaganda anway.
Post edited February 27, 2015 by F4LL0UT
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F4LL0UT: Anyway, this is the article I mentioned but which I couldn't find earlier. Maybe a Google translation will help. And no, I don't think that there's a point to giving you this kind of evidence, I know that your twisted mind is going to instantly reject such information as made-up anti-Russian propaganda anway.
Problem with this article that it starts with mention of "Buratino" rockets, but this thing never was spotted in Ukraine.
(Results of use: http://77rus.smugmug.com/Military/RKhBZ-Troops/i-f9NXfck/0/O/RKhBZPart124.jpg )

Probably the rest is as made up as this fact.

If you exclude emotions from this text, facts are:
"Battalion with western journalists didn't shoot" - doesn't mean that everyone else didn't too.
"There are people without military background" - considering that Ukraine lost its army 3 times, and current army is 4th mobilization, it isn't a wonder. Russia haven't started first, btw.
Olvasom a hírekben , hogy az amerikaiak megint keverik a szart . Jobb lenne , ha csendben maradnának hiszen ez a konfliktus nem rájuk tartozik . Menjenek máshova világot menteni .
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F4LL0UT: Yes it was. As everyone should know (especially the Russian government surely does) the intelligentsia is more resistant to propaganda and tends to behave more ethically than angry mobs of poor peasants. That these kinds of people tend to join the Ukrainian government rather than the separatists kinda supports the notion that the people loyal to the Ukrainian government are the good guys.
That is... a very questionable interpretation. There are tons of examples of 'intelligentsia' falling for propaganda, indeed academics and the like in the west were considerably more well disposed to, say, the USSR than the average western 'peasant' was.
Oh yeah, and those guys were actually getting their hands dirty themselves, weren't they? Oh no, wait, they weren't. The people used to actually perform the biggest atrocities have always been the garbage of society. What the highly educated people in power do does not at all say anything about the usual behaviour of the intellgentsia who is actually in the warzone and taking up arms.
So, all the intelligentsia going to fight for the International Brigades in the SpanishCW 'proves' that actually Stalin was a stand up bloke- after all, he had intelligentsia fighting for his communist militia more so than Franco? Nah.

Intelligentsia are resistant to propaganda and indicative of being 'good guys', except when they aren't. Which is exactly the same as anyone else.

Really, the intelligentsia that facilitate all the bad things the 'garbage of society' do are far worse than those 'garbage of society'. Though really really, garbage of society is ridiculous itself, there are plenty of experiments that show that even highly educated people can be persuaded to (or spontaneously choose to) do highly amoral things given the right circumstances- most famously in the Milgram and Stanford Prison experiments.
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HijacK: Why am I not surprised considering your country of residence.
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vsr: I am not surprised of your attitude either, considering Romanians were part of Nazi German Waffen-SS.
Disturb me no longer, russophobe.
Well, to be fair, Russian "salvation" army in 44 made a lot more damage to Donetsk than Nazi invaders. And did that again, 70 years later, this time for good as it seems.

Also, attacking dude on basis of country of residence and calling him on same thing in next fucking sentence is amazing example of both hypocrisy and, well, being not too bright:)
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HijacK: This transitioned from a hypocrisy 101 to a hypocrisy 102 course. You talk that you always come for your rightful belongings, yet you are unable to give back what you have stolen.
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Gremlion: "Stolen"?
After the Romanian Army entered Bessarabia, at the time nominally part of Russia, in the early 1918, the new Soviet government severed all diplomatic relations and confiscated the Romanian treasure. The Romanian government tried to recover the treasure in 1922, but with little success. In 1935, the USSR did return a part of the archives, and in 1956 paintings and ancient objects, most notably, the Pietroasele treasure.

"We attacked you, forget it and give us back our things?" Fair punishment, deal with it.

Or take a lesson of coming for your rightful belongings http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherbourg_Project
Attacked you? Learn history before you puke nonsense. Russia simply got out of the war after the Communist coup, and we were on the same side too, "genius." 1917, Lenin got control of the government and refused any connection with Russia's former allies. There's a reason why so many people dislike your country. And it's not because of the people, it's because of the actions of your leaders, ironically the ones you raise in praise.

Fair punishment? Talk when your population is not in a worrisome condition even with the treasures of other countries. Let's not forget how the Red Army pillaged every country they went through on their way to Berlin in 1945. I will not even bother to speak of the other horrors they committed, horrors for which others were sentenced with crimes against humanity. Best part is that a big part of this army were criminals who were promised freedom if they fought in war, but when they returned Stalin put them back in prisons.
Post edited February 28, 2015 by HijacK
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vsr: I am not surprised of your attitude either, considering Romanians were part of Nazi German Waffen-SS.
We were talking about big and rich American families. What does this have to do with anything, you illiterate hypocrite?
And for the record, Russia was part of this alliance too for a very long time. You just got out of it sooner in the war than us. So I don't see any pathetic point you are trying to make.

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vsr: Disturb me no longer, russophobe.
Oh, this has nothing to do with your nationality. I just have a short fuse for bullshit on the internet, especially when it comes from people brainwashed by a mentally ill egomaniac similar to Stalin. Yes, I am talking about Putin.

And just so you know, I'd take Germany's National Socialism over Russian Communism any day of the week. The former at least doesn't destroy its own people. Or at least not as much.
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HijacK: And just so you know, I'd take Germany's National Socialism over Russian Communism any day of the week. The former at least doesn't destroy its own people. Or at least not as much.
That ^^. Even by comparing losses in WW2 it's hard to believe USSR actually won - there were 7 million total from Germany side against 22 million of them from USSR, so Stalin and his generals basically used their own soldiers like a meatwall, literally. The sole fact that dumbfucks like neo-stalinists even exist and some people are almost praying to him (this http://shiitman.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/in_church.jpg and this http://gosc.pl/files/13/03/05/478122_midepa03610140_34.jpg) is both shocking and a sign that there are still enough idiots over that side of a border.

Btw, last night one of Russian opposition leaders, Boris Nemtsov was killed right outside of Kremlin walls, with 4 shots. For those who don't know - he considered putin his worst enemy and two weeks ago was half-joking (as he thought) that putin is gonna kill him for openly supporting ukraine and blaming all this war in ukraine on russian current president (so, just stating obvious). Despite it's really kinda obvious who may have wanted him dead, russian trolls and even artists are already claiming it was done by USA(!) and/or ukrainians and that death is provocation against their great leader.