Lol, he surely understand all the things from mere start. It just a popular kids game of "spies" widespread around Russian population. They are pretending what, while they are realize what government is spreading lies, they are able to get a real meaning of it, and play "fooled", as they like the goal behind the lie. Some are even moronic enough to sincerely believe what outsiders are actually can be dumb enough, and not realize what they deal not with "Russian position on a subject", but with blatant lie, so trying to help a lie by playing a "sincere arguing people". Don't do a usual mistake - they arent fooled by propaganda, they are trying to help it, because see its as good profitable stuff.

Roughly:
- Eric, we're saw your crazy uncle Joe scavenging a medical waste containers (look - there's a photo from surveillance camera at hospital), please do inform your parents to not take any meat or something from him, its urgent and important. Not only its disgraceful, as you surely understand, its could be really dangerous to you and your family as a whole too, you should realize it, its important, so dont forget, please.
- Eric: You talk only blah-blah in hope of blackening of my kind uncle, showd no proof providing it beside some blurry fake photo, FU liar-liar-liar!!! Try to cheat with some stupid kids, not with me, im too smart to fall into your trap!
[Eric inside]: Bah, soon we're go to eat a meat again, now i see what they have no proof about Joey at all, otherwise they wouldnt contact me, and i did a great job in covering it too. And im sure what when ill tell to my uncle what i know about camera now, and also estimated location of it, so he will be able to evade it next time, maybe he'll give me more than average plate of lard for it, and even will take me to hospital raid next time with him, as he promised already, and i think he surely will do it finally, as im helped him. Old man Joe is real skill, he keeping to do all that stuff for quite some time, and those idiots cant do anything with him, hah. Well, but why so modest, Joe and Eric, not only Joe, we're a great team!

"Another nice article" uses as source the same article as your first one. Sourced newspaper blamed Chelyabinsk meteor on Putin, you can guess their stance and quality of material.
Common sense says to me that "hundreds of wounded people" should demand tons of blood donations. And there are no campaigns for more blood (I have seen some after big crashes with 20-30 wounded people). No hospital name in the article too - so you can't call and check.
You use only one source - biased western media.
I use biased western media, biased russian media and gossips.
You surprised that presence hasn't been confirmed. You surprised that USA doesn't post "undeniable proofs of Russia destroying Boeing". You surprised that locals in Donbass don't kill "occupants". You surprised that millions of Ukrainians in Russia don't protest (there were 1,5M work migrants since USSR disbanding and even more before that). You surprised that "thousands russian soldiers are sent against artillery without equipment and don't try to leave frontline to save their life".
Do you get at least sliiight feeling of inconsistency?

Well DUH! Of course any Russian newspaper that doesn't support the government is either "of terrible quality" or gets silenced.

Common sense also says that it would be moronic to make open campaigns to supply victims whose existence you're denying. And are you aware that a crash is unexpected whereas casualties in a conflict are to be expected and so you can actually prepare for the latter and probably won't have to suddenly request tons of blood from regular citizens? I mean, during the most intense phases of the war in Afghanistan and Chechnya did you suddenly see huge requests for blood donations whenever a bunch of Russian soldiers died? I'm pretty sure that the answer's no, that the military prepared for these scenarios beforehand so even if there were an increase in requests for blood donations you wouldn't *directly* connect them to the amount of casualties.

Plus, what crashes are you talking about? Where? See, we also have big crashes here in Central Europe and we don't suddenly see demands to donate blood everywhere whenever shit happens. Especially not if it happens IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY. Use your brain, man.

ROFLMAO! ALL journalists in the Western world taken together are "one biased source" but each and every newspaper controlled by the Kremlin is a separate reliable source, is that right?

Well, not that surprised, really. Assuming that the Russian soldiers in Ukraine are hiding among the insurgents it actually makes perfect sense. Keep in mind: the Russian government hires men in track suits to do dirty work and everyone who hasn't lived underground for the last fifteen years knows that. Actually there's even been footage of such men among the insurgents in Ukraine since the very first days of the conflict but nobody is officially gonna confirm them as Russian soldiers based on only that footage. I don't think that the Russian government has any concerns to make their soldiers blend in with a pro-Russian paramilitary force in a foreign country.

I do not. I'm not surprised by any of this shit except maybe the passive stance of Western politicans and that even in this day and age where everyone has access to an unlimited amount of information through the internet there's idiots who believe everything the Kremlin fabricates.

kp.ru kommersant.ru lenta.ru are sites with decent quality without strong pro-government stance.
It also would be moronic to carry wounded people to Moscow/ Peter when there are closer big cities like Volgograd.
We have seen requests for blood, there is one on corporative forum right now, for boy with leukaemia
If you want, you can find dozens of examples of parroted hoaxes. Last worldwide one was about "North Korea showing to their citizens that they won at soccer". So, take news with grain of scepticism.
You probably didn't hear about Russel tribunal on Ukraine? Oh-yeah, information about it wasn't published by "credible sources".
Occam's razor, please? There were deserters from Russian army during 08.08.08. There are no deserters from militants with claims that they were soldiers in disguise and orders from Genshtab. If there were "thousands of soldiers", at least one would've priced his life over Putin's interests.
Yeah, and everyone has brain and time to process this information. Nah, better to watch kittens on imgur.
Putin is bad, case solved, brain huuurtz to think that some information can be not wrong.

Dude, just ignore him:) He's either clinical moron (which i highly doubt), real russian patriot which tries to figure out at least remotely reasonable explanation for the shit his government does to give it a positive meaning or just a random guy totally full of shit. In either of these cases you have no chances to convince him in anything, he'll claim that everybody hates good and nice Russia, rest of the world lies to blame russia and russian troops in eastern ukraine, crimea and georgia are either non-existing or have whole right to be there because he sad so:)

I still haven't seen any fact that would make me think that this isn't a civil war started because of actions of new Ukrainian government.
Just factless blames, which you want to believe, even search for possible explanation of unfitting facts. Army presence isn't confirmed, no equipment, no satellite photos of tank movements, just silly map.bmp with arrows from Russia and confirmation from twitter warriors.
Obviously it was "let's go without equipment against artillery".

i know, that's because you don't want to ;)

that's very amusing to hear from a person that quotes sites like http://globalresearch.ca/ as a sources:)

You quote censor, which posts news like "Russia uses cluster bombs in Luhansk" with photos from Syria-2012, so?
http://i.imgur.com/g2cfeSz.png

Yesterday there was a anti-war demonstration in Moscow. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29300213

Well I still think that Russians by voting for Putin and letting him continue to do what he does (sending weapons to the separatists, supporting them, in the end even sending troops) are partly responsible for the ~2000 deaths so far. Without Russia the rebellion would have ended months ago, I'm quite sure about that.

But at least now some try to fight back, even if they don't have a chance and the war will continue they get my respect.

Without EU and USA it wouldn't have started at all.
Euromaidan was started because eurointegration was delayed, and as result - eurointegration still delayed, Only difference - not-antrussian oligarch (can't call him "pro-") was changed for antirussian one.
He made billion$ from Ukraine and doesn't spend them on his country, only goes on the trip around the world and suck everyone's dick for money, which look like change with his wealth on background.

Maybe sucking everyone's dick is what he is forced to do because the big brother/sister from the East is fucking his country so hard lately. I actually do not envy his job, he can only lose in his position.

Also it's not clear if the current president is really such a great criminal like the last one or less or even greater. We don't know. We can't even investigate the last one because he ran away.

The difference is I guess that even Euromaidan doesn't allow anyone to use force and start shooting and killing. There were democratic elections in Ukraine and ... well there is just a real political change away from Russia and towards the west. And then someone doesn't like it and starts to kill others... And Russia doesn't like it and starts to move borders... If you are willing to do all this then war is inevitable. My belief is that this is a war Russia against Ukraine and I rather stand behind Ukraine. I find it extremely sneaky that Russia never openly declared it. Russia cannot be trusted - they only want to increase their territory and they only respect weapons.

This may sound a bit extreme but that's what I feel currently.

judging from grammar, spelling and linking of irrelevant facts you're either very dumb australian or, more likely, another virtual account of local trolls. Just how stupid you think everyone is here ?)

1. Unconfirmed participation without heavy weaponry (no satellite photo evidences for months) and confirmed use of heavy artillery by officials. Artillery ended in the hands of militants due to incompetency of officials - even XenSavage confirmed this. Ukrainians fucked their country on their own. As an indirect proof you can use Belarus - rating of their microdictator president went up after maidan on Ukraine - this country got a great example of "what would happen if we would revolt".
3 months of bombing - no revolt on Donbass against militants. When they started to overcome officials - peaceful solution was achieved in 10 days.
2. Poproshenko is the sponsor of previous president and worked in his government as minister of finances. I don't doubt that he knows in details where his boss got his money. And he is a billionaire. Do the math.
3. Euromaidan started with shooting and seizing government buildings. Then Donbass revolted against government, which was elected with the help of Right sector. Then Right sector with the help of official army started bombing "terrorists" on the East Ukraine.
This "democratic government" bans media, they make laws under pressure like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mzr9T7f6yX8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0_OtZFpBCM

Militants and terrorists are two different things. Also, not sure what you think i've confirmed, pretty much every source i quoted was pointing to Russians.

Sad but true, if if pro-russian "rebels" would be shot on first sight nothing of this should would happen and there would be no chechens or Kuban cossacks anywhere near.

with help of russian regular army only, official or not. If there would be only those kinda-rebels there they would be eliminated by now.

may be true.

Lie, shooting started later and from police side.

Another lie, right sector is a very minor force there.

That's so stupid that probably not even worth commenting. Right sector is more of a group of volunteers that's barely capable of doing anything significant. They are fighting in the east but as a separate force which is definitely not capable of bombing anything. Not to mention that UA army wasn't bombing anyone either (not in the cities where there could be non-terrorist casualties at least).

You linked two youtube videos where crowd was putting corrupted officials into trash bins. Not sure what you were trying to prove, but i would suggest being more clear on that. Or linking actual relevant stuff to what you're saying :)

So, after all, you're basically repeating all that idiocy about right sector that is shown on Russian TV while claiming you're getting your info from independent sources and don't even watch it. Way to go:)