He is so eager to disprove everything, that didn't bother to check background of this girl, who are citizen of US and because of this knows English language so well. And for "not scared" - as a "couch warrior"(still isn't on the front? wow) he doesn't know what is "bravery".

maybe or also there is a chace he is sympathizing or supporting or even is one of the west ukrainian ultra nationalistist (bandera or something else)

while in the ukraine situation everything is not clear (when its over the truth will show everything), the georgian conflict is indiscussible, the girl spoke the truth.

to go for sure: i dont want to discuss on about georgian war!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This may be true for Russia. It isn't for the rest of the world, no matter if you believe it or not.
And those examples you posted in your link? A quick check (2 minutes) on the last one about Ken Jebsen, showed me enough to put him right up next to Fox News. So state your opinion based on bought media (which you confirmed btw) - I've chosen to stay informed a long time ago.

Edit: one more thing. If you actually believe that there's no free media, stop using them as legitimate source - it takes away from your credibility.

The only difference to us is that they know it.

Oh please. Fox is constantly against the government and you don't see any journalist losing their job or even life. So are other news outlets.
Is western media unbiased? Of course not. They are most definitely biased. But doesn't mean the government controls them. No. Owners of media, directors and managers control the news. Sometimes they say things pro government most often they are willing to criticize them right and left. Which is their right And they have the freedom to do so.

Additionaly. If you don't know about control in USA but do about Russian how can you assume it's the same?

Whatever wrong thing USA and other western countries might do whatever control they have over the media Russian government does exactly the same thing. And much more as they are unable to keep it secret.

Whatever you don't know about governments actions its similar to whatever you don't know about Chinese Russian Iran governments. And what we do know makes.them much worse than western countries.

Wow I just heard about this incident in my Political Science class. In my International Conflicts course no less.

Good Grief if NATO and the US declare war on Russia it will be a partial World War III :(

The problem with the western media is their tendency to acritically report what they're told. It's similar to how many games sites release previews that are reworded talking point sheets from a publisher, it's easy to produce copy that way but you're relying on a an interested party for the information- in this case usually either the Ukrainian Government or NATO. A free press is only useful if they don't simply repeat what they're told. That's not to say that the Russian press is in any way better, of course, but a free press is perfectly capable of being used for propaganda and of spreading false information if they don't do their job properly- the lead up to Gulf War 2 perfectly illustrates that.

As for the rest... it's been clear that things have not been going as well as the Ukrainian government made out in the southern sectors for some time. You don't need Russian sources for that, when ¬400 soldiers cross the border and surrender to Russia it makes the news everywhere. To practical purposes that was an entire brigade destroyed as a fighting force even in the Ukrainian version of events. Anyone capable of reading a map and with some military knowledge can see that the southern front was perfectly set up for pocketing(s) by a counterattack(s), and if the Ukrainians were worried about a Russian invasion their disposition was almost literally suicidal for anyone on that southern front.

The rebels certainly claimed that they were counterattacking then had broken through and were heading for the Sea of Azov prior to the current accusations of direct Russian involvement, as well. Saying that Russia has 'invaded' and providing proof from a low quality commercial satellite (unfair actually, that satellite is capable of providing far better visuals than those shown) of an area far to the north is not particularly convincing either. Much as with MH17, the US should be able to short circuit most argument if they just released the proof that they really ought to have rather than something half baked.

If anything this thread has been instructive as to which individuals I should permanently ignore from here on out.

That's very unlikely to happen, because those in the position to make such a decision are well aware that any shooting war between Russia and the US has a good chance of going nuclear. Instead what we're likely to see is more sanctions (I'm hoping something serious, like freezing out all Russian financial institutions from western sources of credit, although given the flaccid response so far I'm not holding my breath), along with a strengthening of military defenses in NATO countries that share a border with Russia (possibly including US boots on the ground there, in the hope that Russia is also averse to getting into a shooting war with the US). The only thing approaching military intervention we're likely to see in Ukraine is possibly selling/giving them advanced military hardware to use.

I'm guessing Ukraine has mostly been written off by the US and most of Europe if Russia continues to push their invasion (there's no "red line" as far as any military actions in Ukraine go), while forcing Russia to be the one to initiate war with NATO if they decide to expand their aggression to other nearby countries. The main play against Russia will be to try to cripple their economy through sanctions before they become emboldened enough to escalate things militarily to a point of no return.

I support any action which gives degenerate Western countries a good whack around the head, carry on Russia and do us proud

i meant that no-one with non-US roots would have that good american english.

Nah, you're pretty good in messing up your own reputation yourself, i don't even need to try :) But yeah, i haven't check her background, my bad.

Which could count as an argument in some other universe where you are a soldier instead of office rat in GazProm, yeah:)


*sigh* I should have listened to DarzaR :) yeah sweetheart, i'm banderivets who eats russian children for breakfast and starts a day with prayer to Bandera. Also, not many people know that, but in fact we're anthropomorphic lizards in human skin wanted to destroy great Russia who is the only source of truth and light in this world.
In fact, i do live in western ukraine and i haven't seen any ultra-nationalists here in a day of light at all during my whole life so only logical explanation i can see is you're either victim of propaganda or just not too smart overall, sorry.
and yet, you live in pretty much "western" country. That's a great example of what hypocrisy is:)

Not directly related, but perfect illustration of how two-faced propaganda is - there are billions of claims that there are ultra-nazis in Ukraine and yet there are such photos from russia - [url=https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwJpK-ZIcAIj8qo.jpg:large]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwJpK-ZIcAIj8qo.jpg:large[/url].

Their slogans are "USA is a servant of devil" and "USA accepts power(reign) of Antichrist" (that what i can read on photo at least) so seems that they are some sort of nazis that apparently heavily believe in god, which doesn't really make any sense to me whatsoever, but stupidity never cease to amaze me so i guess it can be true)

I do not like my country.

Exactly this ^^. There are no iron curtains anymore, person can freely move anywhere he wants. Taking into account that Australia is not even cheap to live in that "anywhere" would probably be a lot cheaper too.

Hah. Have you actually lived anywhere else ?

Cause on Australian passport you can pretty much go anywhere except north Korea.
I heard Somalia is nice in winter