You're either an 80 lvl troll or simply a fool. You can continue to write about your imaginable fascists that you allegedly can see from thousands of miles away based on mass media information, but soldiers who survived "Grad" strikes and returned from the UA-RU border will tell different. There were satellite images. But you can always say that they were fabricated, as Russian officials have been continuosly saying for the last months. You just have to keep calm and keep lying. Of course, if you're brave enough, you could always take a flight here and go to one of the uncontrolled border checkpoints like Izvarino. See it for yourself, rather than reading and watching convenient media outlets.
Noone will look from satellites 24/7. Noone gives a shit, as long as it's a "far away" country.

i'm not a fool and probably not a troll (havent looked up the definition and absolutely new to forum work).

you're right about travelling there and seeing with own eyes is the best way to see the truth.

so if you have the time and patience, then could you provide some links (english, german or russian, sadly i'm not speaking ukrainian) about truth or not:

at the beginning in march in kiew there were raids on soviet memorials and cementaries by ukrainian fashists?

this is not an attempt to swich the discussion away, its just an extra question.

nope, that's your imagination only :) Monuments for Lenin were destroyed, but that's neither cemetery nor memorial. Also, would you care to explain how to find those fascists in ukraine ? There are a lot of them in Moscow (http://topwar.ru/37198-kavkazskiy-miting-v-moskve-protiv-razgula-russkogo-fashizma-bunt-v-arzamase-i-priblizhenie-civilizacionnoy-katastrofy.html), but still haven't seen a single one here (minus 2-3 nutjobs and kids).


http://www.businessinsider.com/russian-military-vehicles-crossed-into-ukraine-2014-8
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/08/ukraine_fires_on_column_of_russian_apcs_that_crossed_the_border.html

Although i have a feeling you won't going to trust neither these nor any others as long as they don't support russian version of truth:)

Lol you're still playing that silly game?

The only things about soviets that were touched are the Lenin monuments. And no, they were taken down not by fascists. Some people think that these hold no value and though I would've liked some of the monuments to be tolled away to some improvised "Lenins cemetery", instead of destroying them, what's done is done. The man is long dead, he left the trail in our history (be it somewhat bloody). Gotta let him go.

Again, providing links to media outlets or random blogs with crazy theories isn't going to help. Only being there would do. Every fact can be turned upside down and called a lie, and vice versa. All I'd ask is to take everything from any source with a grain of salt. Neither West nor Russia are actually interested in well being of Ukraine. That's only logical, everyone should care for themselves first. And Ukraine isn't the one attacking others. 23 years without war and now the peace streak is broken.

Exactly. Messing with Ukraine without it having attacked the outside is enough reason for me to believe it is simply invaded, no matter what any news agencies that always (!) have political agendas tell.

Well we all know this is an invasion. There is no justification to move troops in to a foreign land even if people throw down a legally elected democratic government. The former Ukraine leadership certainly wasn't that. Basically Russia just used the loss of government in Ukraine to invade and take Crimea for it self that's all and I think the most biased person on this planet can see that. The Russian attempts to take East Ukraine have come against a new government in Ukraine who can not look away anymore at Russian attempts to annex East Ukraine and is now fighting back. Personally coming from a former communist country it could not be more plain to me what this is - an invasion.

Yes you are if you believe the Russian media. The amount of conflicting information there is astounding, to such a degree that it takes a fool to miss the fact that most of it is simply fabricated. It goes as far as seeing the same person in different roles in different news reports or people at least claiming to be someone else:

See here.
And here.
And here.

Why you're all wasting the time on it, its his purpose afterall.

"i'm not a fool and probably not a troll (havent looked up the definition and absolutely new to forum work). "
"Registered: Jul 2012"

Use your time to communicate, not to support intentional tries to disrupt you.

"If it quacks like a Duck, looks like a Duck, denies what its a Duck, it's a Russian Duck"

Wisely said. Destroying proofs of history we set ourselves right on the way to repeat it.

So, where is world police 'Murica when a small country is invaded by Russia? ;)
Do they support some militias like Osama and his guys back then when the Russians invaded Afghanistan?

Theyr busy battling theyr own red ideas, and also trying to tame Frau Ribbentrop and her sauna friends Jobbics-LePen same time.

Russian artillery deployed to Crimea - date: march 14 which was way before the Crimean referendum.
Putin admitting that russian soldiers were in Crimea (Source: , [url=http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/vladimir-putin-admits-russian-forces-helped-crimea-separatists-n82756]NBC, Huffington post)

I do not know anything, probably should be quiet, but I sometimes see things in funny ways.

In this situation, I will assume the position of the Ukraine, where the Ukraine is my "house." Given this, here we go.

I have friends that are my neighbors both to the east of me, and to the west. They both have nice houses too, and am proud to be their neighbor. I want to get along with both of my neighbors, and am happy to interface my family's interests with each.

Over the years, my neighbors to the east had things that they wanted to store in my garage. They really didn't have room for them, and needed the access that I had to the street (sea.) I said ok, I'll be glad to lease you the space in my garage (the Crimea.) All was fine. I knew that my eastern and western neighbors had often disagreed in the past, but they were all getting along fine now. I also knew that they could each be kind of "pushy," and arrogant as hell at times.

Well, the father got older, the sons came along, and soon they they wished to run the house. The father didn't like it, but it is the way of things. The father pissed and moaned about this, and decided to leave. The eastern neighbor saw this, and came to his defense, not so much for him, but for the leasing agreement they felt might be threatened. The western neighbor was quite good, commercially, and offered much to the sons that now ran the house. This awakened an old mistrust between both neighbors.

My neighbor, to the east, then sent his sons to my garage. It was no longer my garage then, as they voted for it not to be. What in the hell can I do about this? I look to my western neighbor, but he only says that I am right, and will quit selling twinkies to the neighbor in the east. It gets worse.

Having had success with my garage, they start that shit up with my house. I believe it was only to get me and my western neighbors to shut up about my garage, but the loss of twinkies is not much of a deterrent to more "adventurism."

Silly story ends, sad situations not mentioned, but really this needs to be knocked off. Decades of progress in all realms are threatened, and for what?

My best to those, anywhere, where you are prevented from just being able to live, and plan for your future.

Chuck