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Ubisoft lost income because a single game flopped, namely Break Point, which they probably spent hundreds of millions of dollars on marketing.

One game flopping does not equal a "gamer revolt." If more of their games keep flopping, then it would be a gamer revolt. But probably that isn't going to happen.

Even though it would be great for gamers if it did, since then companies like Ubisoft would stop re-releasing the same derivative games all the time, and also they would stop lazily re-copying & pasting 95% of the stuff that is contained within their game's worlds over and over again (which is exactly what their latest game that was very successful does, namely AC Odyssey).
Post edited November 01, 2019 by Ancient-Red-Dragon
Breakpoint is Wildlands but broken.

Division 2 is the dame as Division 1 with slight improvements to loot and endgame.


They keep releasing the same stuff in the same way with the same marketing at the same times of year.

Much like a certain other figure in the industry who may or may not own this board, if you don't identity the flaws in your marketing and product, while ignoring your demographic in the hopes of attracting another, your product/service is going to falter.

Ubisoft are smart, it wasn't that long ago Assassin's Creed looked dead and Rainbow Six Siege launched to 'meh'. Now both of them are riding high.
So that's what's behind the youtube link, The Quartering. Nice!
If only TS had mentioned that in the OP I could have viewed it that much sooner..
Not subscribed, but a fan still.
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blotunga: Khm Assassin's Creed 2-4, Heroes VI (maybe not because of the conflux crap and dynasty stuff), Heroes VII, M&M X, Anno 2070
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Crosmando: None of those are classics or old.
Like my oldies radio station, this line constantly shifts. GOG have most of the "pre-2005" type classics they can get, due to licensing issues, technical issues and owners who just aren't interested. If they want to release more "AAA classics" or whatever, then stuff like Assassin's Creed 2 is the logical next step. I don't think Ubisoft has added a modern-ish game like that in a long time though.
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Linko64: Much like a certain other figure in the industry who may or may not own this board, if you don't identity the flaws in your marketing and product, while ignoring your demographic in the hopes of attracting another, your product/service is going to falter.
I am sure it's obvious to everyone else but... Who are you referring to? Just like to know who may or may not own this board I use so frequently.
Edit: Don't mind this post, I don't want to contribute to this thread. :P
Post edited November 01, 2019 by NuffCatnip
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TheMonkofDestiny: Here's a Forbes article that cites ~93%. It also brings up the latest Ghost Recon being a big bomb in terms of operating costs. I'd assume they probably spent more on marketing for it than they did the actual game but I've never played it so that's just an unfair jape at it.
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StingingVelvet: "Operating income" isn't revenue. That's why I said what I said. Not sure which term the Youtube video uses. Revenue being down 90+% would literally be catastrophic. Operating income being down that much just means they had a really crappy quarter.

Glad Division 2 and Breakpoint bombed though. Less online service games please.
It is of course, misleading at best.

You can read it here: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ubisoft-reports-first-half-2019-164000245.html

Net operating income is down 94% however there's a note in the statement that says these figures are not comparable, as they changed accounting standards. That said, the note only indicates that this could shift it by about 2 or 3 million, so it would still be a massive drop in Net Operating Income (which as you say isn't revenue). They had a low profit year, but then so did Amazon, but I don't think they're struggling.

Looking at the sales breakdown it seems that their overheads went up a bit, but they had a drop of about 10% in sales, which is what has lead to all this hysteria.

Not a good half-year for them, but not catastrophic.
Post edited November 01, 2019 by wpegg
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SirPrimalform: Hoo boy, not gonna waste any time watching "The Quartering".
Got to +°1, i don't mind most "youtubers", though only like AVGN and actually dislike very few including that guy, looks and talks obnoxious plus tired to notice him "creating content" surfing on the misery of others... Vulture.

On topic, this probably, eventually, maybe mean U are down 6% from 100 to 94 plans rather than... Meh.
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StingingVelvet: Not gonna watch a random Youtube video but there's no way in hell their revenue is down "94%".
Yeah....Jeremy tends to exaggerate some things every now and then.

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SirPrimalform: Hoo boy, not gonna waste any time watching "The Quartering".
The dude has some good points every so often and champions some good causes from time to time.....but he also uses clickbait titles and thumbnails, and he gets easily upset sometimes over minor things in the gaming world and blows them out of proportion.

He also really REALLY loves PewDiePie......which can either be good or bad, depending on one's tastes.

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blotunga: Sorry, meant 5 years
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Crosmando: I too like old classic games like Call of Duty®: Black Ops II.
Anything can be a classic....time is not always a factor.
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GameRager: The dude has some good points every so often and champions some good causes from time to time.....but he also uses clickbait titles and thumbnails, and he gets easily upset sometimes over minor things in the gaming world and blows them out of proportion.

He also really REALLY loves PewDiePie......which can either be good or bad, depending on one's tastes.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
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David9855: No the Quartering Channel run by Jeremy is just a money making stream run by a guy with a degree in marketing, it's all done to create revenue for him- granted some of the things spoken about do deserve attention and I'm not saying everything on the channel is bad for example such as demanding background checks for people who want to work and be left alone with kids at magic the gathering tournaments.
So the guy wants to make money off of his channel/work.....are you saying that's a bad thing.

(Also iirc he puts every dime he makes on the channel into his website)

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David9855: It's just a channel that makes it's money though stirring up shit, of the back of drama, payed manipulations but sometimes there are things spoken about that should be covered and are positive; in conclusion not saying people aren't but make up your own minds and opinions about things and don't follow 'ecelebs.'
I feel if an "e-celeb" is entertaining then people should follow them if they feel it's worth their time...just my two cents.


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SirPrimalform: Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Perhaps, but if someone makes good videos often enough I tend to give them a fair shot on new ones.
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GameRager: Anything can be a classic....time is not always a factor.
Probably the most ignorant thing you have ever said on this forum.
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Crosmando: Probably the most ignorant thing you have ever said on this forum.
It's the truth, even if you refuse to see it.....you need to remove those nostalgia goggles while you can, friend.

(I meant to say a long amount of time isn't always a necessary factor, btw, so my mistake....but you get my point, I hope.)
Post edited November 02, 2019 by GameRager
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Crosmando: Probably the most ignorant thing you have ever said on this forum.
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GameRager: It's the truth, even if you refuse to see it.....you need to remove those nostalgia goggles while you can, friend.

(I meant to say a long amount of time isn't always a necessary factor, btw, so my mistake....but you get my point, I hope.)
Most of the classic games from the 90's or 80's I played when I was well into adulthood, so no the "nostalgia" argument doesn't work with me (nostalgia meaning you rate someone higher because you played/viewed it when very young). Nice try though.
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Crosmando: Most of the classic games from the 90's or 80's I played when I was well into adulthood, so no the "nostalgia" argument doesn't work with me (nostalgia meaning you rate someone higher because you played/viewed it when very young). Nice try though.
I was more guessing(With you) that it is/was the "modern games mostly bad" argument if not the nostalgia factor.

And regardless of if i'm right on your motivations the point still stands: Newer games can be classics.....a good amount of time doesn't make a classic.