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I'm not an audio engineer (by any stretch of the imagination), but I believe the volume differences between the various different sound channels are down to more sound channels (5.1, 7.1 etc) being broadcast, but are not being fed through a supporting amplifier for the correct amount of channels, but rather a two channel/stereo amp in your case. This will take away control of the unsupported channels as those will be fed through the only two channels that are available. Volume control will thus be restricted to just two channels, but said two channels will contain the sounds for five other channels that you will have no control over their individual volumes.

Hope that makes sense ?...
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AB2012: As mentioned earlier, see if your TV has a Dolby Digital Dynamic Range Control option. Example for Sony TV:-
https://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/support/articles/00203665
Only one setting - depending on the source material, it can be too much or not enough. Does it work for all outputs, or only for its built-in speakers?
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Trooper1270: I'm not an audio engineer (by any stretch of the imagination), but I believe the volume differences between the various different sound channels are down to more sound channels (5.1, 7.1 etc) being broadcast, but are not being fed through a supporting amplifier for the correct amount of channels, but rather a two channel/stereo amp in your case. This will take away control of the unsupported channels as those will be fed through the only two channels that are available. Volume control will thus be restricted to just two channels, but said two channels will contain the sounds for five other channels that you will have no control over their individual volumes.

Hope that makes sense ?...
I have a 5.1 system: the volume of the speakers should be set once (depending on their relative distance). There's no simple volume control - you have to dive into the settings.

I guess you could make custom profiles and switch between them, if that's possible. Yet, Dolby/DTS sounds/channels are rarely completely separated (e.g. main voice only in the middle, main effects only L/R, the rest F/B).

I have a lot of DVDs - few of them have good/impressive surround mixing. For most most of them, the non-front channels sound like an afterthought.
Post edited October 16, 2021 by teceem
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teceem: Only one setting - depending on the source material, it can be too much or not enough. Does it work for all outputs, or only for its built-in speakers?
That depends on the equipment in question. Dolby Digital has Dynamic Range Control as a feature of the decoder so the setting there should work on the output of what's being decoded. Eg, if you enable it on a TV, then whatever output (speakers, headphone, etc) that gets sent to should be affected. But if it's say a DVD player or digital TV box that's setup to digitally "passthrough" the audio (eg over SPDIF to an amp / receiver), then it won't and the receiving equipment will need that feature enabled instead.
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teceem: I have a 5.1 system:
Yeah, that would (or should) be the case, or at least possible, but the OP has a stereo amp, and I guess that it is only feeding two speakers, which would imply removal of their ability to adjust the volume of the other channels not supported in a two channel setup.
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lazydog: I mean one compared to the other, not at the same time if that makes sense. If I adjust volume to comfortably and actually hear dialogue, later effects are too loud. If I adjust volume to comfortably hear sound effects, dialogue can no longer be heard properly.

I have taken into account that I am no spring chicken and that my hearing will not be perfect. I have ruled this out, I have also ruled out my equipment- this due to the fact that commercials are at an even level- especially noticeable on higher end commercials for cars, phones etc i.e. those who know sound is important.
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AB2012: As mentioned earlier, see if your TV has a Dolby Digital Dynamic Range Control option. Example for Sony TV:-
https://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/support/articles/00203665
Thanks AB2012, your input is as always helpful.

I had a quick look at the TV, but will need to investigate further.

Not sure how much actual true control a TV has on it's sound output though and even if mine does support such a feature, it should not be required in my opinion. The sound signal should pass to the TV and not need any post processing. WIll check though and post back.
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Trooper1270: I'm not an audio engineer (by any stretch of the imagination), but I believe the volume differences between the various different sound channels are down to more sound channels (5.1, 7.1 etc) being broadcast, but are not being fed through a supporting amplifier for the correct amount of channels, but rather a two channel/stereo amp in your case. This will take away control of the unsupported channels as those will be fed through the only two channels that are available. Volume control will thus be restricted to just two channels, but said two channels will contain the sounds for five other channels that you will have no control over their individual volumes.

Hope that makes sense ?...
This is what I suspect is part of the problem.

Too much tinkering by sound engineers into "surround sound" combined with low quality/low bandwidth broadcast options.

None of this happens with true sources, for example bluray/dvd or even streaming though I am still experimenting with the latter.

I will be watching Venom tonight and also recording so I can try a few things out. I suspect that even the act of recording has an effect on the sound output (perversely for the better so far but again I am still experimenting here).
Post edited October 16, 2021 by lazydog
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lazydog: The sound signal should pass to the TV and not need any post processing.
Technically speaking, anything you do to the incoming signal is post processing. It's not like modding a game, changing textures...
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lazydog: The sound signal should pass to the TV and not need any post processing.
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teceem: Technically speaking, anything you do to the incoming signal is post processing. It's not like modding a game, changing textures...
Very true.

However, I am currently only amplifying a source signal. At this point the TV is only really a receiver of the signal.

I have to go now, for the experiment is about to start. Will post back if I find any results.
Well it didn't take long to see where the problem lay.

The sound from Channel4 (for films anyway) seems to be pushed out at a very quiet level indeed- hence the need to crank up the volume in order to hear dialogue and hence the reason that loud sections sound really loud. The entire film is just broadcast at far too low a level.

It can clearly be heard once the commercials kick in- they are not actually overly loud but sound louder as the amplification was already cranked up for the film.

My amp usually sits about the 9/10 oclock position for TV listening, for Channel4 it has to go well past 11.

Whether or not this is purposeful on the part of Channel4 is up to you to decide. I flipped between channels to test this and all other channels that I tried were far too loud at the volume necessary to listen to Channel4.

I am not going to bother complaining to Channel4 over this as I have previously found them to be most unhelpful and I have found that their service is not really worth the effort anyway, especially with regard to Film4 which these days is really just a shadow of its former standing.

Thanks to all for posting your thoughts and advice, it was most helpful.
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lazydog: I would be curious to know which track you refer to though.
far as i can tell (thus far) its voodoo people. gonna have to listen through though
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lazydog: It can clearly be heard once the commercials kick in- they are not actually overly loud but sound louder as the amplification was already cranked up for the film.
Yup, that's no 'accident' at all. Just do what I do and hit mute when the commercials come on. Your sanity will thank you as much as your ears... ;-)
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lazydog: The issue that I am experiencing, with films in particular, is that the level of volume for voice acting is so low that the volume needs to be pushed up dramatically. As soon as there are any loud sound effects the sound level becomes deafening, resulting in a constant need adjust the volume throughout the film which is entirely off-putting.

Two other things that make me wonder about the quality of TV broadcast audio are firstly commercials. Once a commercial comes on the sound level is so high compared to the previous levels that the volume must go down again, then back up for the feature.
These are common issues, but my understanding is that the low dialogue volume is a recognised trend in film audio mixing of late. Adverts being extremely loud has been the norm for quite a long time and it's deliberate. They likely brickwall limit the hell out of them to make sure they're as loud as they can possibly be. Films and TV programmes will by comparison have a much greater dynamic range.

The reduced dynamic range you noticed with Netflix may be some soft automatic volume levelling they're applying.
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AB2012: For the average person it just makes the loud sounds too loud at the same time as making the quiet sounds too quiet.
That's actually a lack of dynamic range compression rather than something caused by dynamic range compression.
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lazydog: The sound from Channel4 (for films anyway) seems to be pushed out at a very quiet level indeed- hence the need to crank up the volume in order to hear dialogue and hence the reason that loud sections sound really loud. The entire film is just broadcast at far too low a level.
If the entire film was broadcast at too low a level it wouldn't increase the difference between the quiet parts and the loud parts. That difference is baked in by the sound mixing of the film. The film obviously just has a wider dynamic range than you'd like. Have a look in your TV settings for "AVL" or "night mode".
Post edited October 17, 2021 by my name is supyreor catte
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lazydog: It can clearly be heard once the commercials kick in- they are not actually overly loud but sound louder as the amplification was already cranked up for the film.
As has been pointed out by others, adverts are generally in a loudness war with each other and will probably be brickwall limited to hell. Channel 4 probably aren't broadcasting the film too quiet, it's just that the adverts are as loud as they can be all of the time while the film is only occasionally as loud as it can be because it actually has dynamic range.

They can't turn the volume of the film up because the loud parts would exceed 0dB and clip. They could run the film through a limiter, but that would be far worse. Such processing should be applied by the watcher's own system, not blanket applied to the entire broadcast.
I imagine they are contractually obliged not to turn the volume of the adverts down.