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Posted August 23, 2015
Dev post, stating what may/will happen...

http://steamcommunity.com/app/319910/discussions/0/528398719797223737/?tscn=1440356120#c528398719805128657
Posted August 23, 2015
It would have been fine if they left it 2D. All I can hope is that they don't end up destroying the series with this miscalculation.
Posted August 23, 2015
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rtcvb32: I watched the WTF of TB on the game, and i'd say the transition to 3D was probably overall a bad idea...
Yep. Not really Trine any more.

I could make an awesome game for 5.4 million (well, I mean I could pay people to make an awesome game for me for that much).
Post edited August 23, 2015 by hudfreegamer
Posted August 23, 2015
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Primo_Victoria: Ignoring bugs and a compromised vision is not an opinion, it's delusion.
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Rhineland: Sorry, but can you please help me to find the passage where I was mentioning bugs? I must have missed that...
ig·nore (ĭg-nôr′)
tr.v. ig·nored, ig·nor·ing, ig·nores
To refuse to pay attention to; disregard.
Posted August 23, 2015
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Primo_Victoria: ig·nore (ĭg-nôr′)
tr.v. ig·nored, ig·nor·ing, ig·nores
To refuse to pay attention to; disregard.
This is going nowhere.
Posted August 24, 2015
If you are an indie developer you should think long and hard before you dump $5 million into a sequel. Trine 3 would have needed a quarter million sales at full price to break even at launch. They've only sold 45,000 copies on Steam.

Unwritten Tales had 170,000 sales on Steam
Third game had 20,000 sales on Steam

Defense Grid 1 had 540,000 sales
Defense Grid 2 had 90,000 sales.

Risen 2 had a 1,000,000 sales.
Risen 3 had 156,000 sales.

Magicka had 3,300,00 sales
Magicka 2 had 130,000 sales

Grimrock 1 had 900,000 sales
Grimrock 2 had 150,000 sales

Both Escape Goat games have about 32,000 sales each

Anomaly 1 had 800,000 sales
Anomaly 2 had 240,000 sales
Anomaly Defenders had 24,000 sales

Stealth Bastards had 230,000 sales
Stealth Inc. 2 had 1,535 sales
Post edited August 24, 2015 by jdgass
Posted August 24, 2015
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jdgass: ...
Grimrock 2 had 150,000 sales
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i can't say something about the other games, but i don't think that the devs will lose money with this masterpiece
Posted August 24, 2015
Also magicka2 hasn`t been out long, Magicka has been out years (not that I think magicka2 will ever get anywhere near popular.... Even Wizard Wars has five times the amount of players & the devs have quit developing it.
Posted August 24, 2015
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jdgass: ...
I doubt these numbers are true.

There was so much hype behind Grimrock 2, that I find it unbelievable that the 2nd game would only sell 150K.
Posted August 24, 2015
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jdgass: If you are an indie developer you should think long and hard before you dump $5 million into a sequel. Trine 3 would have needed a quarter million sales at full price to break even at launch. They've only sold 45,000 copies on Steam.

Unwritten Tales had 170,000 sales on Steam
Third game had 20,000 sales on Steam

Defense Grid 1 had 540,000 sales
Defense Grid 2 had 90,000 sales.

Risen 2 had a 1,000,000 sales.
Risen 3 had 156,000 sales.

Magicka had 3,300,00 sales
Magicka 2 had 130,000 sales

Grimrock 1 had 900,000 sales
Grimrock 2 had 150,000 sales

Both Escape Goat games have about 32,000 sales each

Anomaly 1 had 800,000 sales
Anomaly 2 had 240,000 sales
Anomaly Defenders had 24,000 sales

Stealth Bastards had 230,000 sales
Stealth Inc. 2 had 1,535 sales
Interesting numbers! The one number that I was surprised to see is Stealth Inc 2's sales. 1536? Really?! It looks like a good game, it has mostly positive reviews but it seems like nobody played it. It has only 22 reviews on Steam, none on GOG! I don't think GOG is making any money from the game (the game is on the last page of GOG's bestselling order along with soundtracks and upgrades from other games!)
Posted August 24, 2015
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jdgass: ...
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Elenarie: I doubt these numbers are true.

There was so much hype behind Grimrock 2, that I find it unbelievable that the 2nd game would only sell 150K.
And only 20k for Book of Unwritten Tales 2? With such good reviews and popular games before it?
Posted August 24, 2015
I liked both games. I co waiting for next game by Almost Human.
Posted August 24, 2015
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Elenarie: I do get your point, but in the end, that is all subjective.
While it's indeed subjective, there's still a fine line. You don't pay 10 USD ticket for 10 minutes movie.
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jdgass: If you are an indie developer you should think long and hard before you dump $5 million into a sequel. Trine 3 would have needed a quarter million sales at full price to break even at launch. They've only sold 45,000 copies on Steam.

Unwritten Tales had 170,000 sales on Steam
Third game had 20,000 sales on Steam

Defense Grid 1 had 540,000 sales
Defense Grid 2 had 90,000 sales.

Risen 2 had a 1,000,000 sales.
Risen 3 had 156,000 sales.

Magicka had 3,300,00 sales
Magicka 2 had 130,000 sales

Grimrock 1 had 900,000 sales
Grimrock 2 had 150,000 sales

Both Escape Goat games have about 32,000 sales each

Anomaly 1 had 800,000 sales
Anomaly 2 had 240,000 sales
Anomaly Defenders had 24,000 sales

Stealth Bastards had 230,000 sales
Stealth Inc. 2 had 1,535 sales
Those sequels are prime example why people shouldn't change a winning formula.

Unless your name is Blizzard with Diablo 2 to boot, essentially making Diablo 3 still hugely successful even with all the uproars. lol.
Post edited August 24, 2015 by zeroxxx
Posted August 24, 2015
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jdgass: ...
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Elenarie: I doubt these numbers are true.
Not 100% accurate but the range is reliable

http://steamspy.com/search.php?s=unwritten
http://steamspy.com/dev/Hidden+Path+Entertainment
http://steamspy.com/search.php?s=magicka
http://steamspy.com/search.php?s=grimrock
http://steamspy.com/search.php?s=anomaly
http://steamspy.com/search.php?s=stealth+bastard

And for another proof of "past successes don't guarantee future gains"(the thing you read in contracts when signing some papers at the bank ^o^)....

Thomas Was Alone:
http://steamspy.com/app/220780
Volume (the game was even featured in the highest "tab" on steam homepage at launch)
http://steamspy.com/app/365770

Naturally, for all the success games cited, there was the "humble bundle effect" which distorts the numbers....
Posted August 24, 2015
...and Early Access claims another game.

The saddest part about this for me is I really, really liked the idea of Trine transitioning into 3D like this, but after this backlash and the cop-out response from FB, if there's ever a Trine 4 they'll never try it again. Instead of expanding on what could have been a great evolution it will most likely be a clone of Trine 2.
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