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Shadowstalker16: Still, the principle matters and having draconian Inqusition-esque laws in a mostly democratic system is just wrong.
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KiNgBrAdLeY7: This is normal. Democracy exists only because of draconian Inquisition-esque laws. Where would democracy be without censorship (even in the form of debunking coupled with ridicule), oppressive laws, mass executions and torments (see French revolution a.k.a. birth of "modern" democracy), oppression of the few against the many, political cooking and alchemy (like turning a NO from a public voting into YES) and so many other little wonders?

People, i hate it to break it to you, i really do, but DEMOCRACY doesn't exist. Never existed, in the first place. Its REAL meaning, to which mostly anyone is totally oblivious too, is a PARADOX, an OXYMORON, a UTOPIA, in and by itself. (Common) People rule? Are you nuts? When? Where?? Don't live with misconceptions within illusionary spheres.
Quite true. Also, and.no substantiation here, it appears.most gamers don't seem to care about these things. I mean steam, uplay etc. Continue to attract customers, more.people people signup to Netflix and what not. Big business mar he's on regardless, the only thing which stops it is war, and even the. It mostly just changes product.

Sorry, to be so cynical, its just what I see.
Bamp?
Over a year of bad news about the TPP and it hasn't been stopped yet? It's obvious that a political vote isn't going to stop it. There are too many insidious big business and big government interests.

In the USA, most of the politicians' loyalty is to lobbyists, big business "crony capitalism", and special interest groups. The public vote means little as long as they are convinced they can remain in office.

This means that public protests and voting against the scummy politicians pushing the TPP will be largely ineffective. The root of the problem is "crony capitalism", and the solution is large-scale boycotts of every corporation supporting the TPP.

About 1.5 years ago there was a bunch of news articles on how big media and the movie industry were pushing for the excessive and unreasonable TPP copyright rules. Every few years, the media and movie industry in the USA demand something like this; in 2009-2010 it was SOPA and PIPA. It's clear that they aren't going to stop until they go bankrupt or the Internet gets censored and remade in their corrupt image.

The big media and movie industries are at WAR with your freedom, your rights, innovation, and the Internet. It's them or us. The only way to stop this crap once and for all is the bankrupting and dissolution of the entire big media and movie industry establishment. You realize that almost every time you buy a movie or movie ticket (in the USA, with few exceptions), you are funding the demise of your freedoms, right?

Another main problem is that the "Internet freedom" advocates largely limit themselves to going on the defensive. Whenever a new "SOPA" or "PIPA" pops up, they organize website blackouts and online awareness posters. (right before the SOPA and PIPA votes, Google put a censorship logo on their search and Wikipedia shut down for a day in protest). That isn't enough. No one ever won a war by only going on the defensive. Have you ever seen any football (or gridiron/rugby if you're outside the USA) team win by only playing defense? Of course not.

Internet freedom advocates need to stop playing whack-a-mole with SOPAs and PIPAs (hammering them down as they pop up). Everyone who enjoys a free and relatively unregulated Internet needs to take the offensive against the unholy union of big media, big movie industry, and unconstitutional big government crooks.

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As far as copyright protection goes, the current standard in the USA is the DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act). While the DMCA is somewhat imbalanced in favor of big corporations against individuals and copyright duration is unreasonably long, the DMCA has worked "well enough".

Regarding those examples that the OP provided:

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-DRM circumvention is illegal. So no tool assisted speedruns, no copying DRM free Steam games, very difficult modding
-No diving into files to find hidden DLC because its ''hacking''
-Piracy without distribution can land you with fine and have your PC destroyed
-''Commercial'' scale (NOT COMMERCIAL REVENUE) piracy can get you down for criminal charges.
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The DMCA already outlaws most types of DRM circumvention and imposes potentially large fines on willful commercial infringement. That's already plenty of protection.

The most onerous parts of the TPP copyright law:
-It would supercede local law (violation of sovereignty)
-Infringers would be guilty until proven innocent; if a big corporation wants to shut down your small website for any reason, they can falsely accuse you of "copyright infringement" - your website and even your internet access could be shut down until you prove your innocence. Obviously it's a violation of Western standards of law, but most megacorporations are more interested in making another billion dollars than upholding the rule of law.
-Stifling of innovation; megacorporations could use bogus copyright accusations to hammer start-ups out of existence; Video game modding will also be largely suppressed in TPP-compliant nations.
-Diving into files to find hidden DLC is forbidden; yet it's legal for megacorporations to datamine digital communications and browsing habits? Hypocrisy much?

It's obvious that most of the West is owned by big corporate interests and crooked politicians and the laws no longer represent the will of the people.
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Shadowstalker16: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DIJVetzaHs

-DRM circumvention is illegal. So no tool assisted speedruns, no copying DRM free Steam games, very difficult modding
-No diving into files to find hidden DLC because its ''hacking''
-Piracy without distribution can land you with fine and have your PC destroyed
-''Commercial'' scale (NOT COMMERCIAL REVENUE) piracy can get you down for criminal charges. ''Commercial'' not defined. So if they put it as ''reasonably high'', we're fucked.

The TPP= trans-pacific partnership
How would they destroy someone's PC?

And that right there is in conflict people's right to personal property.

And define the "Distribution" of "Piracy without Distribution?"
Post edited October 13, 2015 by Elmofongo
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Shadowstalker16: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DIJVetzaHs

-DRM circumvention is illegal. So no tool assisted speedruns, no copying DRM free Steam games, very difficult modding
If they're DRM-free, then you're not circumventing DRM by copying the Steam-delivered DRM-free games...
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Elmofongo: How would they destroy someone's PC?
And that right there is in conflict people's right to personal property.
Well in Switzerland if you are caught at an excessive speed on the freeway, the state can confiscate your car and destroy it if they want (or resell it), so apparently it's possible.

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Elmofongo: And define the "Distribution" of "Piracy without Distribution?"
Downloading stuff (i.e. using direct download) or watching streams.

Distribution is when either you host/upload files or use P2P.
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Elmofongo: How would they destroy someone's PC?
And that right there is in conflict people's right to personal property.
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Gersen: Well in Switzerland if you are caught at an excessive speed on the freeway, the state can confiscate your car and destroy it if they want (or resell it), so apparently it's possible.

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Elmofongo: And define the "Distribution" of "Piracy without Distribution?"
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Gersen: Downloading stuff (i.e. using direct download) or watching streams.

Distribution is when either you host/upload files or use P2P.
Well I don't host or upload things so I'm safe?

As for the car analogy they would mostly just sell it.
Post edited October 13, 2015 by Elmofongo
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Elmofongo: How would they destroy someone's PC?
They're training teams equipped with flamethrowers and big hammers.
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Elmofongo: How would they destroy someone's PC?
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phaolo: They're training teams equipped with flamethrowers and big hammers.
Ha ha ha very funny.

Now seriously the most logical and insidious way is to upload a virus in my computer that renders it non-functional.
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Elmofongo: Well I don't host or upload things so I'm safe?
No because if the "Piracy without distribution" pass it means that only having "illegal" files on your HD will be enough to get you fined (if you get caught of course) and potentially have your PC destroyed.
SOPA, PIPA, NN, and now TPP... At least they didn't give this one a positive-sounding misnomer like with NN. Everyone would have just lied down and taken it then.
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Elmofongo: How would they destroy someone's PC?

And that right there is in conflict people's right to personal property.

And define the "Distribution" of "Piracy without Distribution?"
If you're caught and it goes to court, they can fine you and destroy the PC. Piracy = having pirated content on the HDD, distribution = uploading or sharing it.
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Elmofongo: Well I don't host or upload things so I'm safe?
The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared:
Ban on Circumventing Digital Rights Management (DRM)

The provisions in QQ.G.10 that prohibit the circumvention of DRM or the supply of devices for doing so are little changed from earlier drafts, other than that the opposition of some countries to the most onerous provisions of those drafts was evidently to no avail. For example, Chile earlier opposed the provision that the offense of DRM circumvention is to be “independent of any infringement that might occur under the Party's law on copyright and related rights,” yet the final text includes just that requirement.

The odd effect of this is that someone tinkering with a file or device that contains a copyrighted work can be made liable (criminally so, if wilfullness and a commercial motive can be shown), for doing so even when no copyright infringement is committed. Although the TPP text does allow countries to pass exceptions that allow DRM circumvention for non-infringing uses, such exceptions are not mandatory, as they ought to be.

The parties' flexibility to allow DRM circumvention also requires them to consider whether rightsholders have already taken measures to allow those non-infringing uses to be made. This might mean that rightsholders will rely on the walled-garden sharing capabilities built in to their DRM systems, such as Ultraviolet, to oppose users being granted broader rights to circumvent DRM.

Alongside the prohibition on circumvention of DRM is a similar prohibition (QQ.G.13) on the removal of rights management information, with equivalent civil and criminal penalties. Since this offense is, once again, independent of the infringement of copyright, it could implicate a user who crops out an identifying watermark from an image, even if they are using that image for fair use purposes and even if they otherwise provide attribution of the original author by some other means.

The distribution of devices for decrypting encrypted satellite and cable signals is also separately proscribed (QQ.H.9), posing a further hazard to hackers wishing to experiment with or to repurpose broadcast media.
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One of the scariest parts of the TPP is that not only can you be made liable to fines and criminal penalties, but that any materials and implements used in the creation of infringing copies can also be destroyed (QQ.H.4(12)). The same applies to devices and products used for circumventing DRM or removing rights management information (QQ.H.4(17)). Because multi-use devices such as computers are used for a diverse range of purposes, this is once again a disproportionate penalty. This could lead to a family's home computer becoming seized simply because of its use in sharing files online, or for ripping Blu-Ray movies to a media center.
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MarioFanaticXV: SOPA, PIPA, NN, and now TPP... At least they didn't give this one a positive-sounding misnomer like with NN. Everyone would have just lied down and taken it then.
By NN, do you mean net neutrality? If so, how's that a negative thing?
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Shadowstalker16: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DIJVetzaHs

-DRM circumvention is illegal. So no tool assisted speedruns, no copying DRM free Steam games, very difficult modding
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GR00T: If they're DRM-free, then you're not circumventing DRM by copying the Steam-delivered DRM-free games...
OK, because its DRM-free even on the client and taking it out won't make any difference to call circumvention, right?

Didn't mean it in jest /insult. Technically its not protected so copying is OK.
Post edited October 13, 2015 by Shadowstalker16