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Posted October 22, 2015
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tinyE: In 1932 my grandfather was diagnosed with TB which at the time carried a 99% mortality rate.
He was told by his doctors to find a nice sanitarium and get his finances in order to which he replied to them "Fuck You."

He died.

In 1986.

If he didn't have hope I'm not here right now.

I'm sorry about your aunt.

ps. If you want to get technical, we all have a terminal illness; one that there actually is no hope for.
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Hawk52: Did your grandfather sit there hoping or did he go out and live his life the best that he could regardless of his condition? Seems like it's the latter.

When I hear hope used, I see it the same as wishing or even a form of denial. I suppose you could use hope in the same vein as I do with "fighting" but my instinctual reaction to hope is that of giving up agency to the belief that surely everything will work out perfectly fine.
He moved to Arizona. :D
Posted October 22, 2015
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Hawk52: No, no there's not. It's fine to exist in a fantasy world where things magically get better, but reality is reality. There are inescapable realities of life and terminal illness is one of those.

It's possible they got a false positive on the tests. But if not, it's called Terminal for a reason. It will eventually kill you, it's just a matter of how long you want to prolong it and how long it takes to claim you. It could be months or it could be years but there's no known cure and even TB seems to have resolved himself to that fact. That doesn't mean not to fight, but to be realistic about the situation. Do what he loves to do and try not to have any regrets for when it comes or IF it comes.

Edit: I should add my aunt died last April from Cancer. They did everything they could to fight it, but it took her when she became too weak. I resolved myself to the fact that she was going to die just like I did for my Grandfather who also died of cancer. If you exist in a world where "miracles" and "hope" can miraculously heal terminal patients then all you're doing is setting yourself up for the bitterness of the truth. She left surrounded by family and friends and I spoke at her funeral myself; leaving with no regrets and with love is far more important then "hope".
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tinyE: In 1932 my grandfather was diagnosed with TB which at the time carried a 99% mortality rate.
He was told by his doctors to find a nice sanitarium and get his finances in order to which he replied to them "Fuck You."

He died.

In 1986.

If he didn't have hope I'm not here right now.

I'm sorry about your uncle.
Uncle? Aunt?

Back on topic, I suspect that cancer mortality is also cause by the so called medical treatment.

They hit the patient with this radiation, that drugs, that operation. And all that served to weaken the patient body and immune system.

Really, everybody has cancel cells. When the body fail to keep the cancel cells under control, it becomes cancel sickness. The chances of a weaken body keeping cancel cells under control is even lower.

We have not short of stories of terminal patients giving up to chemo to spend their remaining lives peacefully, have a change of diet and lifestyle, then live much longer than expected or cured completely.

Did your Grandfather go for more chemo / operation after he shunned the doctors?
Posted October 22, 2015
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Hawk52: snip
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tinyE: In 1932 my grandfather was diagnosed with TB which at the time carried a 99% mortality rate.
He was told by his doctors to find a nice sanitarium and get his finances in order to which he replied to them "Fuck You."

He died.

In 1986.

If he didn't have hope I'm not here right now.

I'm sorry about your aunt.

ps. If you want to get technical, we all have a terminal illness; one that there actually is no hope for.
There were no technologically advanced cancer detecting X-ray or blood sampling instruments in 1932. Technology was crap back then.

That is not the case today. If doctors today tells you that you have 2 years to live then you have just that.
Posted October 22, 2015
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tinyE: In 1932 my grandfather was diagnosed with TB which at the time carried a 99% mortality rate.
He was told by his doctors to find a nice sanitarium and get his finances in order to which he replied to them "Fuck You."

He died.

In 1986.

If he didn't have hope I'm not here right now.

I'm sorry about your uncle.
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Gnostic: Uncle? Aunt?

Back on topic, I suspect that cancer mortality is also cause by the so called medical treatment.

They hit the patient with this radiation, that drugs, that operation. And all that served to weaken the patient body and immune system.

Really, everybody has cancel cells. When the body fail to keep the cancel cells under control, it becomes cancel sickness. The chances of a weaken body keeping cancel cells under control is even lower.

We have not short of stories of terminal patients giving up to chemo to spend their remaining lives peacefully, have a change of diet and lifestyle, then live much longer than expected or cured completely.

Did your Grandfather go for more chemo / operation after he shunned the doctors?
In 1932? I don't think there was chemo. In fact I don't think there was a treatment period for TB. I don;t know, I'm waaayyyy to tired to be having a conversation this deep. :P Need to turn in for the night. :D

Oh good, tort is here. XD Speaking of terminal, were you born this big of an asshole or is it something you had to work on? :P
Post edited October 22, 2015 by tinyE
Posted October 22, 2015
Either way, my point was mostly that this isn't the place for fucked up discussions about love lives or whatever was going on before and I certainly don't approve of people seemingly enjoying hearing about this because they don't agree with him.

TB could live for another thirty years or he could be gone tomorrow. We all could be gone tomorrow, I'm not in the best health myself. But I do know that when, IF, TB goes, I will miss him greatly. I think most people will agree with that.
Posted October 22, 2015
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Gnostic: Uncle? Aunt?

Back on topic, I suspect that cancer mortality is also cause by the so called medical treatment.

They hit the patient with this radiation, that drugs, that operation. And all that served to weaken the patient body and immune system.

Really, everybody has cancel cells. When the body fail to keep the cancel cells under control, it becomes cancel sickness. The chances of a weaken body keeping cancel cells under control is even lower.

We have not short of stories of terminal patients giving up to chemo to spend their remaining lives peacefully, have a change of diet and lifestyle, then live much longer than expected or cured completely.

Did your Grandfather go for more chemo / operation after he shunned the doctors?
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tinyE: In 1932? I don't think there was chemo. In fact I don't think there was a treatment period for TB. I don;t know, I'm waaayyyy to tired to be having a conversation this deep. :P Need to turn in for the night. :D

Oh good, tort is here. XD Speaking of terminal, were you born this big of an asshole or is it something you had to work on? :P
Huh?
Posted October 22, 2015
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Gnostic: Uncle? Aunt?

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tinyE: snip

Oh good, tort is here. XD Speaking of terminal, were you born this big of an asshole or is it something you had to work on? :P
Look, if an uneducated inn keeper like you lacks the ability to logically, rationally discuss these issues then just admit to it.

Name calling and insults won't prove your point neither will they prove your intelligence.

Your grandfather survived in 1932 because a lot of cancer diagnosis were proven wrong due to pathetic technology.

That is not the case today with state of the art medical technology.
Posted October 22, 2015
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tinyE:
Unfortunately, one of the big problems with oncology practice butting into quality of life is overtreatment due to overly optimistic projected outcomes (usually on the oncologist's part).

A good number of people on chemo really should not be treated as aggressively because of how statistically screwed they are. Comfort care ends up not only prolonging life but also making quality a lot better than getting blasted with toxic drugs (for that subset).

I guess the point is, not all diseases are made equal, especially on the cancer front. "Cancer" itself is a crapshoot even with a specific origin. The fact that he has had this more than once though (I don't know the full story), is not particularly promising.

That being said, he certainly does have hope of living out whatever time he has left (it could be a six month prognosis or a two year prognosis) comfortably.
Posted October 26, 2015
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tort1234: Married a single mother with a bastard child. She only sticks with him because of his status in the gaming world and the money he makes.
Wait....Orion is not his son ?

Wikipedia says that is his son but his wife's twitter says that TB only has a stepson.
Posted October 26, 2015
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toothsaber: Wait....Orion is not his son ?

Wikipedia says that is his son but his wife's twitter says that TB only has a stepson.
Orion is his wife's son, therefore his stepson.
Posted November 13, 2015
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tort1234: TB has had a harsh life.

Had an unsuccessful career in the military where young men usually get treated like dogs.

Went to law school which are super expensive but could not be around all the money-worshiping, back-stabbing sociopaths and psychopaths so dropped out.

Married a single mother with a bastard child. She only sticks with him because of his status in the gaming world and the money he makes.

Got attacked relentlessly by bleeding heart liberals and SJWs.

Now he has cancer.
I just cannot fathom why any man would choose to raise and take care of kids that are not his.

Maybe some men like TB like being cuckolded.

And yes, I have no respect for his wife. That gold-digger is with him only for his money.
Posted November 13, 2015
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tort1234: TB has had a harsh life.

Had an unsuccessful career in the military where young men usually get treated like dogs.

Went to law school which are super expensive but could not be around all the money-worshiping, back-stabbing sociopaths and psychopaths so dropped out.

Married a single mother with a bastard child. She only sticks with him because of his status in the gaming world and the money he makes.

Got attacked relentlessly by bleeding heart liberals and SJWs.

Now he has cancer.
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toothsaber: I just cannot fathom why any man would choose to raise and take care of kids that are not his.

Maybe some men like TB like being cuckolded.

And yes, I have no respect for his wife. That gold-digger is with him only for his money.
Then you clearly think men are incapable of proper emotional functioning. They do what they feel like doing. And 10 / 10 for bumping.
Posted November 13, 2015
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tort1234: TB has had a harsh life.

Had an unsuccessful career in the military where young men usually get treated like dogs.

Went to law school which are super expensive but could not be around all the money-worshiping, back-stabbing sociopaths and psychopaths so dropped out.

Married a single mother with a bastard child. She only sticks with him because of his status in the gaming world and the money he makes.

Got attacked relentlessly by bleeding heart liberals and SJWs.

Now he has cancer.
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toothsaber: I just cannot fathom why any man would choose to raise and take care of kids that are not his.

Maybe some men like TB like being cuckolded.

And yes, I have no respect for his wife. That gold-digger is with him only for his money.
And I cannot fathom bonehead logic.

My stepdad was, without a doubt, one of the most important factors in me becoming a successful and fully functioning adult. Would not trade him for anything.
Post edited November 13, 2015 by fortune_p_dawg
Posted November 13, 2015
You a religious man toothsaber?

I am not myself but I do read and I would imagine The New Testament would have been a little odd had Joseph refused to have anything to do with his stepson. :P
Posted November 13, 2015
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toothsaber: I just cannot fathom why any man would choose to raise and take care of kids that are not his.
To make them his, perhaps? Not by blood, but by spirit, by upbringing. To leave a legacy, something to be remembered by.
You see, while it doesn't take much to become a biological father, to become a dad... Different story.
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