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Themken: Replace the ? with a letter. You can pick the first one in the alphabet.
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GameRager: I still don't know what G-A-A is.

(nvm just got it...that one game series)
It's not game series, but sure, keep trolling.
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Themken: Replace the ? with a letter. You can pick the first one in the alphabet.
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GameRager: I still don't know what G-A-A is.
GAAH! I did a typo too, just like BeatriceElysia. It is G2A. A website best avoided.
g2a on the other hand, is a scam. you get 50-50. :/
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Themken: What I am worried about are the old games that still do not work, The work on Wine has moved onto newer games, rightfully so imho.
Work on those is slower since the focus is more on newer software (and with good reason IMO), but there is still progress - submit reports for them to WineHQ. There are also tools/mods such as dgVoodoo that can help with getting them running in Wine since they often have problems with newer versions of Windows too.

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Themken: What about old copy protections; do they work in Wine? Not buying ANY games with drm since many years ago but old discs are not so easily replaced sometimes.
That really depends on the copy protection method, some will work (e.g. basic checks), some may require some setting up, while other more complex ones won't. I always use cracks for my older games anyway.
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adamhm:
Thank you for your input once again :-)
Damn the torpedoes and full Linux.

Okay, maybe don't do that if you're a first timer. But there's a helpful community who's there to help you. I use Fedora, for example.
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GameRager: I still don't know what G-A-A is.

(nvm just got it...that one game series)
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BeatriceElysia: It's not game series, but sure, keep trolling.
I am seriously not getting it why call it trolling? Are you trying to start with me wherever you can or do you just see everything I do as suspect because a forum troll(Tiny) sent you some false info about me?

If you must complain about me please stick to my own offtopic threads or PMs and keep personal business out of other people's threads.

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GameRager: I still don't know what G-A-A is.
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Themken: GAAH! I did a typo too, just like BeatriceElysia. It is G2A. A website best avoided.
Thank you for the clarification.
Post edited June 12, 2019 by GameRager
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Themken: 4) No Windows at all. <gulp> Both Linux and Wine and DXVK have advanced in large strides but I am sure this would still leave me with 10-30% of my games unplayable or nearly so.
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adamhm: This is what I did when I built my current PC. It has not been a problem for me at all - there aren't that many games that I can't get working, and for those that don't currently work it's only a matter of time before Wine improves enough to run them.

Whatever happens I'm never going back to Windows anyway; I was pushed towards trying Linux because I disliked the direction Microsoft was going with Windows 8 and my decision to move to Linux was cemented with the shenanigans they pulled with Windows 10 (with the malware-like "GWX" scheme they pulled repeatedly trying to trick people onto it, and the spyware/"telemetry" BS, updates often resetting your choices or causing other problems etc.).
u can get software that disables all that spyware crap in windows 10, its called shut up 10 and its free but as your on linux now its probably to late for you to return to windows, im not a windows fan boy or anything i hate the spyware stuff but u can use shutup 10 and GPEDIT to disable alot of this stuff.

alot of windows users only customise there desktop and explorer windows but if you use gpedit u can disable and customise it on a hardware/software level, il always use windows cos its just easier for gaming, butl inux has alot of advantages over windows like being free and not being owned by a big corporation, but if linux became mainstream and overtook windows it would just be bought out by a big company just liek alot of game companys are absorbed by ea and microsoft
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moobot83: u can get software that disables all that spyware crap in windows 10, its called shut up 10 and its free but as your on linux now its probably to late for you to return to windows, im not a windows fan boy or anything i hate the spyware stuff but u can use shutup 10 and GPEDIT to disable alot of this stuff.
But you shouldn't have to do all that :/ And it doesn't apply to everything, plus Microsoft sometimes likes to have it reset the settings with updates (or just outright ignore them), so you have to be especially vigilant because you can't trust the OS. And then updates frequently break things too, sometimes even deleting user data. It's a mess.

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moobot83: ...if linux became mainstream and overtook windows it would just be bought out by a big company just liek alot of game companys are absorbed by ea and microsoft
The open source nature and licensing for Linux is designed to prevent that from becoming an issue.
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adamhm: This is what I did when I built my current PC. It has not been a problem for me at all - there aren't that many games that I can't get working, and for those that don't currently work it's only a matter of time before Wine improves enough to run them.

Whatever happens I'm never going back to Windows anyway; I was pushed towards trying Linux because I disliked the direction Microsoft was going with Windows 8 and my decision to move to Linux was cemented with the shenanigans they pulled with Windows 10 (with the malware-like "GWX" scheme they pulled repeatedly trying to trick people onto it, and the spyware/"telemetry" BS, updates often resetting your choices or causing other problems etc.).
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moobot83: u can get software that disables all that spyware crap in windows 10, its called shut up 10 and its free but as your on linux now its probably to late for you to return to windows, im not a windows fan boy or anything i hate the spyware stuff but u can use shutup 10 and GPEDIT to disable alot of this stuff.

alot of windows users only customise there desktop and explorer windows but if you use gpedit u can disable and customise it on a hardware/software level, il always use windows cos its just easier for gaming, butl inux has alot of advantages over windows like being free and not being owned by a big corporation, but if linux became mainstream and overtook windows it would just be bought out by a big company just liek alot of game companys are absorbed by ea and microsoft
To be fair one should be careful when meddling with GPEDIT as the wrong things can BORK one's system.
Honestly I would say what is the main question will be : what is the main use you plan for this new PC ?

If it's a majority of games and you want minimum hassles then I would say stay on Windows, yes it's possible to have games work on Linux but unless you have a strong ideological push to do so it's often not worth the hassle to fiddle with Proton or Wine when thing usually work out of the box and often with better drivers and performances on Windows.

All the spyware or walled garden conspiracies never realized and probably never will (Nowadays the only thing Ms cares about is Azure, they don't give a damn about killing Steam or event Gog or even locking down the PC market) and there is tons of tools to disable any sort of Windows "features" you don't want.

On the other side if you want to learn something new, don't care about playing the latest games when they are released at maximum performances and don't require any closed source applications, then you can go to Linux. Just be aware that things, at least for games, won't be as straight forward as they were on Windows and you might have to wait some time before you can play a newly released game.

Concerning having a Windows VM, if it's for work (development, office, etc...) it works well but for games it's not that great, it's much better then to dual boot rather than trying to play using a VM.
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Themken: If one builds a desktop computer or asks the shop to, it does not automatically come with any operating system. This needs to be solved in one way or another.

1) Buy Windows 10 Home retail for €140 or save a tenner and get an OEM license for €130? The problem is that is quite a bit of money.

2) Install a retail copy of Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bits in a Virtual machine inside a Linux distro? I have never done anything with VMs but read that advanced access to the graphics card is a problem and that you need a bit more RAM. Would I need to go from 16GiB to 32GiB? Win 7 leaves out a couple of DX versions and it is not going to get better going forward.

3) Keep my old Windows 7 computer alongside a new one and install Linux on the new one. Crawling behind the computers on a daily basis is not an option so either double up on monitor, keyboard and mouse or get some switch box. I am sure such exists but at what charge? Annoynig to need two big cases.

4) No Windows at all. <gulp> Both Linux and Wine and DXVK have advanced in large strides but I am sure this would still leave me with 10-30% of my games unplayable or nearly so.
Some thoughts on some of them:
2 has the downside that VM's generally have poor, if any, 3D support (unless you manage to get VGA passthrough working, but that's not for the faint of heart and it requires you to choose your components carefully). If your main reason for Windows is games, I would advise against this choice.
3. I noticed that a store was selling a 4 port HDMI switch for $40; also, you could look for a TV or monitor that has multiple inputs (mine has 2 HDMI inputs, one that I use for my PC and the other is used for various other things, like my mini PC, Raspberry Pis, and Mini NES/SNES). For keyboard and mice, connect them to a USB hub and just move the hub to a different front port each time you want to switch computers.

4 is the approach that I personally prefer and use.
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Gersen: Concerning having a Windows VM, if it's for work (development, office, etc...) it works well but for games it's not that great, it's much better then to dual boot rather than trying to play using a VM.
Yes, this I have read many times. I am not new nor averse to dual booting.
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moobot83: if linux became mainstream and overtook windows it would just be bought out by a big company just liek alot of game companys are absorbed by ea and microsoft
Linux isn't a company; it is a kernel, released under the GPL version 2 (which requires those who release modifications to release the source under the same license); relicensing the kernel would not be feasible, because nobody owns copyright on the entire kernel. To relicense, every contributer to the kernel would need to agree to the new license, and that's just not going to happen.

Most of the userland that runs on top of Linux is also released under similar licenses; this includes such things as the init systems (systemd being the most common in full-featured distributions these days), the graphical environment, WINE, and most of the programs Linux users use on a daily basis. As a result, even if some company buys out and closes part of the Linux ecosystem, someone else can just fork it and keep the old license. There have been cases where a fork due to license issues ends up replacing the original in terms of popularity (see LibreOffice, which was a fork of OpenOffice).

So no, Linux can't be bought out in the way you describe.
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moobot83: u can get software that disables all that spyware crap in windows 10, its called shut up 10 and its free but as your on linux now its probably to late for you to return to windows, im not a windows fan boy or anything i hate the spyware stuff but u can use shutup 10 and GPEDIT to disable alot of this stuff.
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adamhm: But you shouldn't have to do all that :/ And it doesn't apply to everything, plus Microsoft sometimes likes to have it reset the settings with updates (or just outright ignore them), so you have to be especially vigilant because you can't trust the OS. And then updates frequently break things too, sometimes even deleting user data. It's a mess.

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moobot83: ...if linux became mainstream and overtook windows it would just be bought out by a big company just liek alot of game companys are absorbed by ea and microsoft
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adamhm: The open source nature and licensing for Linux is designed to prevent that from becoming an issue.
well i have windows updates disabled as in permanently using gpedit cos my parents pc had a clock error with 1809 update with there windows 10 pc and i had to fix it
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moobot83: u can get software that disables all that spyware crap in windows 10, its called shut up 10 and its free but as your on linux now its probably to late for you to return to windows, im not a windows fan boy or anything i hate the spyware stuff but u can use shutup 10 and GPEDIT to disable alot of this stuff.

alot of windows users only customise there desktop and explorer windows but if you use gpedit u can disable and customise it on a hardware/software level, il always use windows cos its just easier for gaming, butl inux has alot of advantages over windows like being free and not being owned by a big corporation, but if linux became mainstream and overtook windows it would just be bought out by a big company just liek alot of game companys are absorbed by ea and microsoft
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GameRager: To be fair one should be careful when meddling with GPEDIT as the wrong things can BORK one's system.
oh yes GPEDIT can mess up your system if you dnt know what your doing but i read guides and stuff so i know how to use it and what stuff to avoid
Post edited June 12, 2019 by moobot83