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General discussionTime is come, imho... Will GOG do its move?(47 posts)(47 posts)
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Posted February 10, 2020
I'm still baffled by the idea of worrying about giving GOG the same info you give a pizza delivery man, but maybe I'm missing something.
Posted February 10, 2020
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StingingVelvet: I'm still baffled by the idea of worrying about giving GOG the same info you give a pizza delivery man, but maybe I'm missing something.
Maybe in Europe you can't get pizza delivered. Come to think of it, I've noticed that most places that deliver food are requiring a text message verification to cut down on fake orders. So it's almost exactly the same thing
Posted February 11, 2020
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firstpastthepost: About the only thing this would affect is privacy, in the sense that you have to provide your phone number (if that's the required authentication).... but most of the payment processors can easily get that information anyways so from a privacy perspective you're not actually giving up much either.

I sympathize with your concerns about privacy and security, but a lot of them seem unwarranted in this instance. Or in the case of privacy, the ship on that sailed a long time ago.
No it hasn't and this nonsense isn't the only way to secure peoples details. You don't know where this information is going.
They don't need to do this and for more serious services like banking there's devices along the line of mini authenticators etc.
Posted February 12, 2020
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firstpastthepost: Why not just buy a prepaid credit card? You don't have to give any information to buy it, can reload them almost anywhere, and use them anywhere. Stuff like that makes the idea of buying any stores prepay cards look like living in the stone age.
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visconteprimus: Because here, in EU, since September 2019 we have to authenticate every purchase made online through our smartphones and...

Well, call me paranoid, but from my pov the point is: considering how simple is hacking a desktop PC, how can I trust in mobile's security? Smartphones and tablets are more vulnerable: heck, there are several app which can violate your PD remotely.

That's my concern!
Sorry what? Are you really sure? I am from Germany and i don't have to verify online purchases through my smartphone. Then again i do use something like paydirekt, Sofortüberweisung it is called.
Posted February 12, 2020
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visconteprimus: Because here, in EU, since September 2019 we have to authenticate every purchase made online through our smartphones....
Every one? What about very old people/luddites/etc who don't have or cannot afford such phones? There has to be exceptions or they'd essentially be cutting out/discriminating against those without phones.
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visconteprimus: Yup, sadly! I used PayPal, until first half of September 2019: then, an e-mail from PP which informed us costumers that due to new EU rules about online payments and purchases we had to install the app.

So, I went looking for some additional infos and... Well, the short version is nowadays you must have the app corresponding to the credit/debt circuit of yours: this app is a sor of a mandatory state to complete an online payment.

It's madness, for real... And this info have been confirmed to me by all bank officers with who I've talked.
I'm shocked no one is trying to fight this(that I know of).....it seems(as I said) to be very discriminatory against those without phones.

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firstpastthepost: The requirement isn't to have a phone, it's to have something in your possession to prove your identity, that's the purpose of the cvv2 number. This is likely why nightcrawler hasn't encountered it yet, cause the payment processors are just using the cvv2 number.
Well that's a relief.

Although GOG DID also try to implement that authentication thing awhile back then dropped it....so there's still a bit of concern to be had, I think.

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firstpastthepost: That's fair, but based on what I can tell mobile authentication was just one suggested method, not the requirement. If it's being selected by the payment processors, that's on them. Unless I'm interpreting it wrong, but they just say it needs ot be something in your possession to prove who you are.
The problem with that is if most/all of them switch to requiring one to use such apps and there's no alternatives then it BECOMES a de facto requirement.

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visconteprimus: You want buy something online? F**k you've already given yours PD to the bank or to the favourite credit/debt circuit of yours: EU want knowing everything by now.
And the quickest way to achieve this is making an authentication passage via app mandatory. For every operation.
I worry that this is a likely reason why some govts are pushing for this.....so they can track every purchase their citizenry make....on gaming or otherwise...to better keep tbs on them.

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firstpastthepost: The information doesn't go back to the government.
If you truly believe that info(some or most) doesn't get into the hands of them eventually then I have this nice bridge to sell ya. o.0
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Posted February 12, 2020
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real.geizterfahr: Seriously. What kind of data could the evil, evil government collect with that new law? They already know about all your bank accounts and how much money you have and spend (tax declaration) and they already know your phone number (you don't even get a prepaid card without identification).
Tracking more of your actions and purchases online, for one.
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richlind33: You say that, but did you know that Pokémon Go was Google pretending to not be Google?
Also it makes me laugh that some here who say "don't be paranoid" about 2FA/etc becoming more mandatory are likely some of the same ones who distrust MS/Win10 and other stuff for similar reasons.

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StingingVelvet: I'm still baffled by the idea of worrying about giving GOG the same info you give a pizza delivery man, but maybe I'm missing something.
The pizza places usually only have info on your pizza ordering habits, not all your other purchases/actions online.
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Posted February 12, 2020
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firstpastthepost: Why not just buy a prepaid credit card? You don't have to give any information to buy it, can reload them almost anywhere, and use them anywhere. Stuff like that makes the idea of buying any stores prepay cards look like living in the stone age.
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visconteprimus: Because here, in EU, since September 2019 we have to authenticate every purchase made online through our smartphones and...
I just bought 25€ Wallet Funds 5 days ago with a prepaid creditcard here. Didnt need a phone or any other informations. Was a Cash4Web (by Mastercard). Dont know, if that is available in Italy.


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firstpastthepost: Using SMS or email for 2FA isn't very secure, but it is only meant as an additional check, not as a bulletproof security protocol.
SMS would be safer, because you can use it on a "Feature Phone". EMail is a different story.
Posted February 12, 2020
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mw.834515: SMS would be safer, because you can use it on a "Feature Phone". EMail is a different story.
I agree in principle that SMS is more secure than email. My point was only that neither of them are encrypted in any way and therefore are inherently insecure.

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GameRager: If you truly believe that info(some or most) doesn't get into the hands of them eventually then I have this nice bridge to sell ya. o.0
I'm just a pragmatist. What's the point in having companies send the government information they already have? They already have all your private data, there's no need to collect it from somewhere else on every transaction you make.
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Posted February 12, 2020
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firstpastthepost: I'm just a pragmatist. What's the point in having companies send the government information they already have? They already have all your private data, there's no need to collect it from somewhere else on every transaction you make.
Imo they have a good amount of it in some countries but not ALL....which is why they have telecoms collect some said data for them...I assume this would be no different(i.e. companies helping them fill in the gaps).
Posted February 12, 2020
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mw.834515: SMS would be safer, because you can use it on a "Feature Phone". EMail is a different story.
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firstpastthepost: I agree in principle that SMS is more secure than email. My point was only that neither of them are encrypted in any way and therefore are inherently insecure.
I wonder how much longer it will take for peeps to realize that the "information age" has been a swindle for the overwhelming majority of people in this world. lol
Posted February 12, 2020
Idk what this is about but I saw the term gog cards, and I would be all for that sadly i do not think it will happen.
Posted February 13, 2020
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aRealCyborg: Idk what this is about but I saw the term gog cards, and I would be all for that sadly i do not think it will happen.
You don't think we have enough plastic in this climatologically challenged world? o.O
Posted February 13, 2020
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StingingVelvet: I'm still baffled by the idea of worrying about giving GOG the same info you give a pizza delivery man, but maybe I'm missing something.
^This... And YMMD
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richlind33: I wonder how much longer it will take for peeps to realize that the "information age" has been a swindle for the overwhelming majority of people in this world. lol
Will not happen. The Disinformation age was faster. A lot.
Post edited February 13, 2020 by toxicTom
Posted February 13, 2020
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StingingVelvet: I'm still baffled by the idea of worrying about giving GOG the same info you give a pizza delivery man, but maybe I'm missing something.
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toxicTom: ^This... And YMMD
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richlind33: I wonder how much longer it will take for peeps to realize that the "information age" has been a swindle for the overwhelming majority of people in this world. lol
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toxicTom: Will not happen. The Disinformation age was faster. A lot.
The fat lady hasn't sung yet, tho. ;p
Posted February 13, 2020
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aRealCyborg: Idk what this is about but I saw the term gog cards, and I would be all for that sadly i do not think it will happen.
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richlind33: You don't think we have enough plastic in this climatologically challenged world? o.O
*just use used steam gift cards what would go wrong*
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