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Breja: Max Payne

Uhm...

Think, think...

No, I've got nothing. I seriously can't think of one. And I'm not trying to be an ass here. Max Payne was the first game that I thought off, and then then I drew a blank trying to figure any flaws. The sequel- yeah, I'd find some flaws there (Max's new face, the goofy final fight), though I still think it's great despite that. But I honestly do think the first one is flawless.
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ZFR: Hmmm...

_ Colt Commando becomes too powerful towards the end of the game. You find plenty of ammo and it's good in most situations, both short and long range. (In the beginning, you had to make choices and decide which weapon is suited best in a given situation, even resorting to pistols should you run low on ammo). In the end you use Colt Commando 75% of the time, only sometimes changing it to specialty weapons like grenades, sniper or RPG.

2? 3?

Hmmm...

_ It ends.
_ It was so good that all its sequels seem bad in comparison.

One of my favourite games too Definitely in top 10, and tied with Alice for best third person shooter.
I can find plenty of flaws with part 2. And 3 was made of flaws (not the worst game though, it was just below average).
Fine then. I'll put in one small weakness to Max Payne

Remember last scene where you have to take down a radio tower so it will collapse upon the helicopter?

Do it by using a grenade and you will see Max doing stupid pose of sniper holding with grenade in his hand :D

Seriously though, I can't find another weakness in this game, yet I never realize it until this thread
Independence War 2

Call me a dirty fanboy but I can come up with only 2 (related) flaws:

1. About the last 1/3 of the,game, you get access to the entire game universe. Problem is, most of that has,no content beyond outer space scenery: nowhere to dock, no encounters, nothing to do.

2. There was originally planned a Chapter 4, which likely would have taken care of the first problem. The game has a completed story as-is, but there could have been more.

But I love it, and am anxiously awaiting the opportunity to play again once the new machine and joystick system arrive.
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snowkatt: vampire bloodlines

1 buggy as hell
2 fairly linear
3 teeny tiny small over worlds and game world in general which kills the immersion and suspension of disbelief
4 the story doesnt actually change much between clans unless the pick the malkavians and even then all that changes are your responses

..oh just 3 right ?
anyway i still love the game its why i got 9 copies of it

oblivion

1 : very buggy
2 : vanilla oblivion is bland really really bland
3 : main storyline is boring and the "end game " is rather dissapointing
4 : no persistence int he game world nor any in game reaction to what you did and your clothes
you can be the champion of cyrodill and npc's still expect you to slay rats or walk around in full dark brotherhood gear and nobody gives a fuck
5 : the guards are lunatic psychics !

and im getting carried away
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tinyE: You forgot the fact that Oblivion has cheese in it. :D
thats a given
and i managed to suppress the fucking cheeses in oblivion
urgh
Morrowind

1. Obscure attribute increases at level up that require you to play the game in odd ways to get the maximum out of them (can be fixed with a mod)
2. No automatic mana regeneration (can be fixed with a mod)
3. Often excessively obscure directions from quest givers (fortunately there are great guides on the web)
Arcanum:

1) Despite this being very much a sandbox game, the main quest is surprisingly linear: collect plot coupon A to move on to plot point B.

2) Without a mod, you can easily reach the level cap halfway through the game, just by doing all the side quests you encounter. Took the fun out of it for me the first time it happened; now I always play using the Level 127 hack.

3) Gamebreaking bugs in the vanilla game abound (huge thanks to the UAP that fixed most of those) but the one that first comes to mind was the one that TRIED TO DELETE YOUR ENTIRE HARD DRIVE should you ever decide to uninstall the game. Talk about revenge from beyond the grave!
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Falkenherz: Morrowind

1. Obscure attribute increases at level up that require you to play the game in odd ways to get the maximum out of them (can be fixed with a mod)
2. No automatic mana regeneration (can be fixed with a mod)
3. Often excessively obscure directions from quest givers (fortunately there are great guides on the web)
Point 2 isn't a flaw, I think that's how real RPG used to be, now we have hand holding with regenerating health and magic.

Point 3 is my favorite thing about Morrowind and is why I like the game more than other Elder Scrolls games, even if you had fast travel in DaggerFall. I had a great time with Morrowind the first time play through because I had to use the map to figure out how to get to locations, getting lost in the sand storm, and using strider and boats. It would have been better without the levitation spell as well.
Post edited October 20, 2016 by eksasol
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ZFR: Hmmm...

_ Colt Commando becomes too powerful towards the end of the game. You find plenty of ammo and it's good in most situations, both short and long range. (In the beginning, you had to make choices and decide which weapon is suited best in a given situation, even resorting to pistols should you run low on ammo). In the end you use Colt Commando 75% of the time, only sometimes changing it to specialty weapons like grenades, sniper or RPG.

2? 3?

Hmmm...

_ It ends.
_ It was so good that all its sequels seem bad in comparison.

One of my favourite games too Definitely in top 10, and tied with Alice for best third person shooter.
I can find plenty of flaws with part 2. And 3 was made of flaws (not the worst game though, it was just below average).
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kusumahendra: Fine then. I'll put in one small weakness to Max Payne

Remember last scene where you have to take down a radio tower so it will collapse upon the helicopter?

Do it by using a grenade and you will see Max doing stupid pose of sniper holding with grenade in his hand :D

Seriously though, I can't find another weakness in this game, yet I never realize it until this thread
ill put in a bigger fault in max payne then
those fucking nightmare sequences where you have to follow the blood trail

and the obnoxious infrequent platforming
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TwoHandedSword: 3) Gamebreaking bugs in the vanilla game abound (huge thanks to the UAP that fixed most of those) but the one that first comes to mind was the one that TRIED TO DELETE YOUR ENTIRE HARD DRIVE should you ever decide to uninstall the game. Talk about revenge from beyond the grave!
Actually, I think that you may have confused that with Pool of Radiance: Ruins of Myth Drannor (which is not the Pool of Radiance for sale on this website); that is the game that had the famous "wipe hard drive on uninstall" bug.
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TwoHandedSword: 3) Gamebreaking bugs in the vanilla game abound (huge thanks to the UAP that fixed most of those) but the one that first comes to mind was the one that TRIED TO DELETE YOUR ENTIRE HARD DRIVE should you ever decide to uninstall the game. Talk about revenge from beyond the grave!
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dtgreene: Actually, I think that you may have confused that with Pool of Radiance: Ruins of Myth Drannor (which is not the Pool of Radiance for sale on this website); that is the game that had the famous "wipe hard drive on uninstall" bug.
yeah that one
i have that one
i never dared to try it despite the sticker on the box proudly proclaiming it was fixed
Age of Wonders
- You can easily beat the last half of the game by spamming 4th level summoned units
- A high level hero can beat a whole army all by himself/herself
- In campaign you can't play as Frostlings
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TwoHandedSword: 3) Gamebreaking bugs in the vanilla game abound (huge thanks to the UAP that fixed most of those) but the one that first comes to mind was the one that TRIED TO DELETE YOUR ENTIRE HARD DRIVE should you ever decide to uninstall the game. Talk about revenge from beyond the grave!
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dtgreene: Actually, I think that you may have confused that with Pool of Radiance: Ruins of Myth Drannor (which is not the Pool of Radiance for sale on this website); that is the game that had the famous "wipe hard drive on uninstall" bug.
D'oh! You are correct, of course. What a time to have a brain fart.
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snowkatt: ill put in a bigger fault in max payne then
those fucking nightmare sequences where you have to follow the blood trail

and the obnoxious infrequent platforming
I totally forgot there's platforming section in max payne. Yeah. That one sucks :D
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ZFR: _ Colt Commando becomes too powerful towards the end of the game. You find plenty of ammo and it's good in most situations, both short and long range. (In the beginning, you had to make choices and decide which weapon is suited best in a given situation, even resorting to pistols should you run low on ammo). In the end you use Colt Commando 75% of the time, only sometimes changing it to specialty weapons like grenades, sniper or RPG.
Never bother me. It's as it should be, in my opinion. Near the end in a game like this I should be armed to the teeth. The ending is supposed to feel like Max is coming for his vengeance, and hell's coming with him. Having to conserve ammo at that point wouldn't fit with that.

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ZFR: One of my favourite games too Definitely in top 10, and tied with Alice for best third person shooter.
I can find plenty of flaws with part 2. And 3 was made of flaws (not the worst game though, it was just below average).
I never played the third one (thank you, Rockstar Social Bullshit!), but since it wasn't made by the same team, I don't know if I'd consider it a proper sequel anyway. As far as I'm concerned the proper finale to Max's journey is that book in Alan Wake, read by Max's voice actor.

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snowkatt: ill put in a bigger fault in max payne then
those fucking nightmare sequences where you have to follow the blood trail
Are you kidding? I loved the nightmares! Both in the first game and the sequel.
Post edited October 20, 2016 by Breja
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snowkatt: ill put in a bigger fault in max payne then
those fucking nightmare sequences where you have to follow the blood trail
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Breja: Are you kidding? I loved the nightmares! Both in the first game and the sequel.
i dont
couldnt stand them not just because they are a literal maze with the obnoxious crying of a baby i want to shut up
if you stay off the damn trails you die
it raised all my hackles and just irritated me to no end
Neverwinter Nights

1. The official campaign is boring hack and slash with terrible storytelling. And now most people think that's all what NWN has to offer, ignoring that it was made with a creative modding community in mind and that the OC is more like a demo for what you can do with the toolset, and many modders surpassed it in quality and originality.
2. The combat system could have been more exciting. Fighting without magic is pretty boring.
3. You can't have real parties of PCs that you have full control over, only one AI controlled henchman to support your hero and the combat AI of the game is quite bad. Mods can improve this to a certain extent, but it remains a flaw.