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Breja: Also, season 7 was much better in one way at least- it did not poorly retcon the previous six. Season 10 basically retcons most of the show, and it makes no damn sense in any way. Season 7 was very uneven, and could get really bad, but even then outside of being too goofy it was harmless story-wise. Except for the season 7 premiere, which was some utter nonsense about ancient aliens and Scully translating bible passages written on a derelict spaceship she finds in africa or something, and it was truly terrible. It was so bad the show pretty much forgot all about it untill season 9, when it all went belly-up anyway.
They didn't retcon the whole thing in season 7, but sometime after the first movie (which I like a lot) it became clear that the writers had completely no idea were they were heading with the whole alien conspiracy plot and at that point already a lot of stuff was contrary to things they told in the first few seasons.

But yeah, continuity could have been handled better in season 10. They could have used the plot from the comic series "X-Files: Season 10" for example, which was really good and made much more sense. But I guess six new episodes weren't enough for that.
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DaCostaBR: After watching some episodes here and there I tried watching it from the beginning. Concluded that I like the episodes that aren't about aliens, unfortunately 2/3rds of them are about aliens.

Whenever it was about aliens you'd get an interesting conspiracy and some intrigue going on, and then nothing comes of it and the episode just ends. Someone would get bribed, or brainwashed, or evidence would be erased, or whatever and one of them would complain that "It just isn't right! Are they really going to get away with it?" and the other would say "They've gotten away with it this time, but maybe one day the truth will come out..."

And how could it be any different? What are they going to do? Go up on a spaceship and slap some cuffs on the aliens? That'd be ridiculous. By design the conspiracy must go on, so stuff can't be resolved.

The ones that weren't about aliens had better conclusions. Sure, maybe the monster dissolved when it died and no one will ever know the truth, but the problem has been solved and we've reached a satisfying end.

I watched maybe 10 or 15 episodes of the first season when I gave up on it. Maybe it all changes later and it becomes much more cohesive, but I watched one too many episodes that just ended abruptly instead of conclude and feared the rest would be the same.

On top of that, later I've come to understand that I just don't like these types of shows, the ones that aren't fully serialized where each episode feels like a meaningful step in a bigger narrative, nor fully episodic where each episode is a satisfying and self-contained story in its own right. They try to have their cake and eat it too, and by the state of network television clearly a large portion of the public thinks they succeed, but I feel like they bring the worst of both worlds and learned they're just not for me.
Fully agreed, and I agree x 1000 about your comments on serialized vs self-contained episodes in a series. Its the same reason I always preferred Star Trek : TNG to the series that came after. At least you could start anywhere, get the gist of the episode, and still have the optional extra layer of the full series story arc to take in once you had enough impetus to take on the larger narrative.

Edit : Fixed typos
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I never really followed the X-Files all that closely, I enjoyed the show, but I ended up how Scully and mulder ended up as a couple or something in the sequel to fight the future, I in generally disliked I want to believe.

I had this weird thing for Gillian Anderson.


Also fun fact, my Brother in law bears a resemblance to David Duchovny, I used to call him "mulder" during high school (yeah my sister married one of my friends)
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DaCostaBR: By design the conspiracy must go on, so stuff can't be resolved.
Indeed. That's why I can't stand formualic, self-contained thrillers and detective stories when you get everything served at the end. I want to be more confused at the end or disappointment is in the air.
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DaCostaBR: And how could it be any different? What are they going to do? Go up on a spaceship and slap some cuffs on the aliens? That'd be ridiculous. By design the conspiracy must go on, so stuff can't be resolved.

The ones that weren't about aliens had better conclusions. Sure, maybe the monster dissolved when it died and no one will ever know the truth, but the problem has been solved and we've reached a satisfying end.

I watched maybe 10 or 15 episodes of the first season when I gave up on it. Maybe it all changes later and it becomes much more cohesive, but I watched one too many episodes that just ended abruptly instead of conclude and feared the rest would be the same.
Like I said, in the first season they didn't really know where they are going with the conspiracy plot. It only really comes together in season 2 and later. But I think you're also missing something of what the point of X-Files was. And that's that ultimately Mulder and Scully are not hereos who save the world. They are hopelessly outmatched, and the story is that of their defiant fight for the truth despite it being hopeless, not of their exposing the conspiracy and making the world safe and happy again. They can only ever come close but not enough, get a few more answers but also more questions, and keep trying again. At least that's how the first 5 season play it.

It's like The Prisoner (a cult british show from the 60s), where the whole point of the show was the main character trying to escape a village-prison for former intelligence operatives, and he could never do it. The whole point of the show was his stubborn refusal to concede and join his captors.

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PaterAlf: They didn't retcon the whole thing in season 7, but sometime after the first movie (which I like a lot) it became clear that the writers had completely no idea were they were heading with the whole alien conspiracy plot and at that point already a lot of stuff was contrary to things they told in the first few seasons.
The alien conspiracy pretty much ended halfway through season 6. It wasn't retconned as much as just brushed aside untill Duchovny left in season 8 and the writers had to write around it (another proof that outside difficulties can actually help by forcing people to be creative).

There was, at the start of season 7, this thing about some ancient aliens and Scully translating bible passages from the hull of a derelict ancient UFO she finds in Africa while Mulder develops psycic powers or something... but it was utterly horrible, made no sense and lasted all of two episodes. After that the writers must have realised how bad it is and just ignored it until season 9, when no one really gave a crap anymore.
Post edited November 29, 2016 by Breja
I thought I'd try to resurrect the thread with a question- what did you guys think of Krycek? Did you love to hate him, or simply hated him? I think he was pretty good as the Smoking Man's henchman, though I wish it wasn't revealed so immediately that he works for him. And he overstayed his welcome by quite a few seasons.
Many TV shows have a shaky first season as they try to find their identity, but X-Files hits the ground running. Rewatching the series transported me back to when we didn't have cameraphones that could communicate on a worldwide platform at the touch of a button, and the Internet was an underground tool for conspiracy buffs and outcasts who were organising for the first time. Formerly journalists had contacts & resources that set them apart from the general public, but that division was narrowing as the public were given more power to investigate. Look at the state of journalism today and what do you see? Journalists getting their news from social media, from us, the public.

I was actually surprised how well the show holds up. I expected cheese of the most pungent variety.
I used to watch it on television pretty religiously, though i don't know up to which season I saw it because of different numbering (and possibly even botched order). I think i might just re-watch at some point.
It's been a few years now since my run through the entire series + movies + The Lone Gunmen, probably too long ago to really be able to comment on anything in detail. From what I recall I generally enjoyed it, even the late seasons with the new main cast, but I guess half-way through the series it became too apparent that when they started the series they had no idea where the main story arc would go or they at least got very much off course from the original plan. The episode where we learn what actually happened to Mulder's sister felt just like a big "fuck you!" by the show's writers. And in the final episode where they tried to wrap everything up I felt kinda cheated, like they gave many things a different sense than it had when it was first written and broadcast. I kept telling myself that I just had not been perceptive enough or something when first watching the main story arc episodes but I felt like some things still didn't add up and were somehow twisted around. Not sure if that's the impression one gets when watching the show a second time.
Here's an accurate description of an actual scene I vividly remember from one of the earlier seasons: Scully is on the phone with Mulder. She's staring at a 15" monitor. The screen displays some brightly green letters on a black screen. "Mulder, I'm on the internet now."

It's a landmark show and a nice piece of nineties zeitgeist - even though they kept it alive well past its prime. I remember Duchovny calling the show a "charade - it's only a matter of time until they find us out" around the time the first film was released. 13 year old me concurred and hasn't really watched anything past season 5 other than that Bruce Campbell episode and the series finale - more out of morbid curiosity than anything else. There might have been a few others that I've seen, but I can't even remember.

But that doesn't in any way take away from the greatness that is on display in earlier seasons. The X-Files at its prime was sharp, witty, subversive, creepy, at times downright unsettling.

In retrospect, the sharp decline halfway through coincided with the departure of the writing team Glen Morgan and James Wong, who were arguably responsible for some of the show's greatest episodes ("Beyond The Sea", "Ice", "Blood" and "Home", just to name a few) and brought something to the show that it was never able to recapture once they were gone,. They would go on to reshape Carter's follow-up show Millennium from rather generic serial-killer-of-the-week fare into an apocalyptic TV-playground where anything goes during its second season. Fox being Fox, they wouldn't let that show die a timely death either and renewed it for a third season - despite the fact pretty much all life on earh had been annihilated by a killer virus in the second season finale.
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F4LL0UT: It's been a few years now since my run through the entire series + movies + The Lone Gunmen, probably too long ago to really be able to comment on anything in detail. From what I recall I generally enjoyed it, even the late seasons with the new main cast, but I guess half-way through the series it became too apparent that when they started the series they had no idea where the main story arc would go or they at least got very much off course from the original plan.
They had absolutely no idea where it's going in the first season, but after that what they put together actually was pretty consistant at least up to halfway through season 6. The main arc was pretty much wrapped up there, and afterwards they had a new idea for the main story every season, and it never again really came together as a coherent whole.

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F4LL0UT: The episode where we learn what actually happened to Mulder's sister felt just like a big "fuck you!" by the show's writers.
You know, I felt the same about it the first time, and I dreaded rewatching it... and then I did, and I absolutely loved it. It was by far the biggest surprise of the whole series for me. I guess when watching it the first time I had very specific expectations about the mythology and what the answers should be, and instead this episode is not really about that, as much as it is about the emotional side of things, for all involved. Duchovny's performance is absolutely superb, one of the last times he really gave the show his A game, the music is the stuff of legends and even Carter's writing, even the opening monolgoue (and those were often pretty terrible) is almost perfect. It was one of the last times, except for maybe a couple of episodes in season 8, when the show really took a risk in what and how they can make.

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F4LL0UT: And in the final episode where they tried to wrap everything up I felt kinda cheated, like they gave many things a different sense than it had when it was first written and broadcast. I kept telling myself that I just had not been perceptive enough or something when first watching the main story arc episodes but I felt like some things still didn't add up and were somehow twisted around. Not sure if that's the impression one gets when watching the show a second time.
You're pretty much spot on. Season 9 is pretty terrible throughout, and the last episode is just horrible. It twists everything trying to fit the original story of the first 6 season together with the latter ones, and makes no sense on any level.
Hi Breja, how was that VR themed episode, First person Shooter?
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KasperHviid: Hi Breja, how was that VR themed episode, First person Shooter?
Oh Christ. You had to go there, didn't you :D

Probably the very worst one of the series. I mean, there might have been some that pissed me off more in the final season, but that one was just unbelieveably bad. I have no idea what they were thinking with this one. In fact, I'd love to know how this thing came to be. How this actually got to be made, what was the thought process behind it. It would have been terrible even if it was part of The Lone Gunmen, but as an X-Files episode it's even more astoundingly bad. There's not much more to say, it has to be seen to be understood.
I loved the X Files since I first saw it about 15 years ago being repeated, but I can’t help but think they used their best monster first. They never seemed to do any better then the mutant Tooms for the monster of the week. He was really creepy, interesting, in some ways believable (he could bend and stretch but not to the extent of the fantastic four guy) and they deliberately left a huge amount of unanswered questions about him and what little they did reveal were all guesses and assumptions. Why did he have to rip people to pieces and eat their organs? What original caused his mutations? Why did he have to keep hibernating every thirty years and then awake and randomly kill five people? If he was over 100 years old (he looks like he’s in his late twenties) how did he live that long and did he have any kids out there like him? The only guess they made was his mutations did it all but the show didn’t even attempt to explain what was really wrong with him. You had no clue what he was and where he came from and it worked brilliantly.
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thraxman: I loved the X Files since I first saw it about 15 years ago being repeated, but I can’t help but think they used their best monster first. They never seemed to do any better then the mutant Tooms for the monster of the week. He was really creepy, interesting, in some ways believable (he could bend and stretch but not to the extent of the fantastic four guy) and they deliberately left a huge amount of unanswered questions about him and what little they did reveal were all guesses and assumptions. Why did he have to rip people to pieces and eat their organs? What original caused his mutations? Why did he have to keep hibernating every thirty years and then awake and randomly kill five people? If he was over 100 years old (he looks like he’s in his late twenties) how did he live that long and did he have any kids out there like him? The only guess they made was his mutations did it all but the show didn’t even attempt to explain what was really wrong with him. You had no clue what he was and where he came from and it worked brilliantly.
Tooms was great, but there were quite a few other monsters of the week that I liked even more. There's the superb Folie a Deux episode, with it's bug-monster turning corporate drones into actual zombies, but no one can see it except for one guy, and that episode superbly well illustrated the friendship between Mulder and Scully, while also having a very creepy and unexplained monster. There was "the pusher", the guy who could make anyone do anything just by talking to them, even talk them into having a heart attack over the phone. But my favourite monster of the week might actually be from season 8 - Via Negativa. The premise might sound a bit trite- a guy killing people in their dreams, but the way it's done is superbly creepy, and the final sequence is one of the best, most tense damn things X-Files ever did. And the another great thing about it is how it pretty much couldn't have worked as well with anyone but Doggett, someone for whom all this paranormal stuff is new, and it isn't fun or fascinating in a scientific way, it's just messed up and he's genuinely scared in a way we've never really seen Mulder or Scully.