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gog2002x: I think I've read their works, though I don't recall the "Sir" part lol. If they are who I'm thinking of, then I've read their books and enjoyed them. Not the best memory these days for names, though once I start re-reading, it all comes back. :)

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A knight proper indeed; and a proper author indeed; one of the first to adopt the use of computer technology to write rather than typewriters.
Post edited June 27, 2021 by Darvond
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twillight: - EVERYONE believes in the One True Gwad, The Good White Light (oh, ye, Satan has the Balck Light, throwing in same casual racism of the time), independently from religion or world-view
The concept of white & black has nothing to do with skin colour, it is used to show two distinct and complete opposite sides. Throughout human history, humanity has associated good with white and evil with blackness. This is because of how blackness has affected us in the past. Even today and in the future also no one will be thrilled to walk down a path(even if it is a well known one) when it is pitch dark, as bad things can happen and in the past it has happened so our fear of darkness. So naturally evil has been associated with blackness. So I don't believe the author is throwing in casual racism here, I believe you are just seeing things here.
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nightcraw1er.488: Reckon GRRMartin is hoping for the black abyss so he doesn’t have to finish the final book either.
Well, Grrartin had his own Brandon Sanderson. Though his were proved incompetent.

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Breja: I only ever read the novella included in the Legends anthology and found it almost unbearable. Maybe it was my lack of familiarity with the larger saga, but I thought it was a confusing, terribly boring mess and it put me off from ever giving the main books a shot.

Still, I find it hard to believe it could be a worse rip-off than Sword of Shannara was, or that it the christian overtones could be worse than in A Wrinkle in Time (and I'm actually pretty forgiving as far as that goes - despite being an atheist I still like the Narnia books a lot, except for the last one).
Ye, I gave up on Narnia maybe on the last 2.
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gog2002x: There was an Aiel, one of female guards Rand had, that I always wondered what happened to her. I forgot her name, but in one scene she used her shield to parry an attack during the end battle with the Aiel guy posing as the false Dragon.

Then it seemed like she just disappeared. This is different than the ones that disappeared at Shadar Logoth later on.

For the life of me, I can't recall if she was ever mentioned after book 4 and that has always bothered me lol.
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The name is Aviendha. My bet goes, she'll be Rand's fremen waifu. He'll also have The Emperor's daughter (Elayne, in WoT just some kingdom's heir, but the analogue is clear) and Min (the future-seeing guhrl),
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WinterSnowfall: Technically, Shaitan or the dark one, but yes, it makes no quips in identifying it with the arch-demon we all know and "love" :P.
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Phasmid: Ironically, Shaitan is a direct lift, just not from Christianity.

(Shaitan is a direct transliteration from arabic/ Islam)
Islam is a denomination of christianity you undereducated WoT-cultist.

And for above you: you dare to call out Terry Goodkind for plagarism, but fail to recognise the same for Robert Jordan? Shame on you.
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gog2002x: I actually liked book 4.
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Well, I liked Book 4 too UNTIL the last troll battle happened. There the book collapsed. And that lasted for several hundred pages.
Post edited June 28, 2021 by twillight
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gog2002x: Being truly original must be a tough on the imagination. But there are people out there who actually do reinvent the wheel from time to time and sometimes we're lucky to experience their world. :)

I do agree his series could have been a little more condensed. I mean 14 books and 2 decades was a bit much. I wasn't even sure I'd be alive to finish it lol.
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Your apologetic is very lame.
The Aiels are straight ripoff of the fremen from Dune with their moral, desert, fanaticism, special clothing, down to the catchphrase! In book 3-4 Rand is just a clone of Paul Atraides, including the desert-rain end-peak.
Book 4's last troll battle is just a weak ripoff/clone of the battle in Helmsdeep from Two Towers (2nd book of LotR).

The Sword of Queen "references" are not just taken from the page, but they are still ripping off - only the pages rip in half in those cases, so the result is a very bad fanfiction.

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Timboli: I probably shouldn't have let you suck me into this topic ... but hey some others might be misled by the nonsense.
Please don't tlak to me again. At least not on this topic. You clearly can't add anything of value to the conversation.

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Darvond: I've heard of the Wheel of Time quite often, but instead I went with Douglas Adams and Sir Terry Pratchett.
I wanned a REALLY long series, which despite its length isn't JUST a waste of time.

While my opinion is quite low on WoT, it's not unredeemable. Yet.
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gog2002x: I think I've read their works, though I don't recall the "Sir" part lol.
Well, Pratchett got knighted, so lol on You, mister.
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BLife: The concept of white & black has nothing to do with skin colour,
I'd agree, if the series had remained Mr. Satan being The Shadow.
But no, he had to become the Black Light.
I felt that awkward.

Btw, with the closing of Book 4, it might turn out Mr. Satan doesn't even exist!
RJ is changing his mind on every whim!
Post edited June 28, 2021 by twillight
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gog2002x: There was an Aiel, one of female guards Rand had, that I always wondered what happened to her. I forgot her name, but in one scene she used her shield to parry an attack during the end battle with the Aiel guy posing as the false Dragon.
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twillight: The name is Aviendha. My bet goes, she'll be Rand's fremen waifu. He'll also have The Emperor's daughter (Elayne, in WoT just some kingdom's heir, but the analogue is clear) and Min (the future-seeing guhrl),
Her name is Adelin (just found out after a few tries on Google search) She deflects Couladin's spear when he is trying to stab Rand at Alcair Dal.

The fight starts after Rand tells the gathered Aiel that they followed the Way of the Leaf as a way of confirming his identity as the Dragon Reborn.

I actually remember Aviendha, since she's one of the main characters in the series for several reasons.
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EDIT: Oh and during that search it looks like I'm not the only one wondering lol.
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Post edited June 29, 2021 by gog2002x
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gog2002x: Being truly original must be a tough on the imagination.

I do agree his series could have been a little more condensed. I mean 14 books and 2 decades was a bit much. I wasn't even sure I'd be alive to finish it lol.
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twillight: Your apologetic is very lame.
I thought we were having a civil conversation, my mistake.

And personally, I enjoyed Dune and Children of Dune as well. I consider myself an analytical person, being an Auditor and all, but I wouldn't compare the similarities to that level.

I prefer to enjoy life and if something was truly plagiarized, I'd like to think I would be able to recognize it.
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gog2002x: I think I've read their works, though I don't recall the "Sir" part lol.
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twillight: Well, Pratchett got knighted, so lol on You, mister.
Someone already beat you to it and I already acknowledged their reply. Thanks anyway. :)
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Post edited June 29, 2021 by gog2002x
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twillight: Islam is a denomination of christianity you undereducated WoT-cultist.
If you want to go that route, both Islam and Christianity are denominations of Judaism, which is itself a decendant of Atenism. Doesn't really matter since either way saying Shaitan is Christian is wrong.

Hope you enjoyed this lesson in comparative theology.
Oooohhhh, the Wheel in the Time keeps on tuuurrnihing...
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twillight: ...kinda suck.

The series is blatant plagarism of LotR, Dune, Michael Moorcock's multiverse (The Queen of Swords more or less), Earthsea...

Oh, and the blunt christian overtone. Ye, that's a bit hamfisted.

Or shall we mention the ingenuit of the naming convention here, like The Mountain of Dhoom?

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So ye, they have a ton of stuff to fix for the tv-series.
The first book was designed to call back to the opening of the Fellowship of the Ring. It was to give readers a familiar point to draw in younger readers. As far as the rest, something tells me you didn't actually read much past the first few chapters.
I haven't read them yet but I plan to. No offense but I never listen to the "plagiarism" accusations. I've found quite a few awesome series that were accused of that and in almost every case, I firmly disagree with said accusations. Additionally, as a Christian myself, the Christian message is absolutely up my alley. That is a major reason why the works of Tolkien and Lewis appeal to me so much.
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twillight: ...kinda suck.
Yes.

Still, in my teens I enjoyed the first few books. Until I got bored by the endless fillers and repetitiveness of the story. It has content for a trilogy, spread thinly across 14 novels. And yes, it was heavily 'inspired' by other fantasy works. But that doesn't have to be a bad thing. A story well stolen can still be a story well told. The problem with The Wheel of Time is just that, in an attempt to be 'epic', it overstays it's welcome.
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tfishell: Oooohhhh, the Wheel in the Time keeps on tuuurrnihing...
LOL :thumbs up::
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twillight: ...kinda suck.
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Lifthrasil: Yes.

Still, in my teens I enjoyed the first few books. Until I got bored by the endless fillers and repetitiveness of the story. It has content for a trilogy, spread thinly across 14 novels. And yes, it was heavily 'inspired' by other fantasy works. But that doesn't have to be a bad thing. A story well stolen can still be a story well told. The problem with The Wheel of Time is just that, in an attempt to be 'epic', it overstays it's welcome.
That's exactly the way I felt. It was truly enjoyable for a while, until it dragged on and the years kept flying by with no end in sight.

Maybe I was caught up in the "Wheel" myself and finally broke free of the cycle lol.
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Post edited June 29, 2021 by gog2002x
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Lifthrasil: Yes.

Still, in my teens I enjoyed the first few books. Until I got bored by the endless fillers and repetitiveness of the story. It has content for a trilogy, spread thinly across 14 novels. And yes, it was heavily 'inspired' by other fantasy works. But that doesn't have to be a bad thing. A story well stolen can still be a story well told. The problem with The Wheel of Time is just that, in an attempt to be 'epic', it overstays it's welcome.
I actually found Brandon Sanderson's clojure for the series quite refreshing. The pacing and everything was as it should've been.
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blotunga: I actually found Brandon Sanderson's clojure for the series quite refreshing. The pacing and everything was as it should've been.
I couldn't even get to the Sanderson-era, because the problem is not the pacing.
The problem is the ever-changing lore.

At Book 5 (unfinished) we have 16 of 13 Forsaken, 6 confirmed dead Forsaken but the characters (even the Forsakens themselves talk about 4 dead Forsaken.

Character personalities get swapped, storylines get changed unrecognisably, the "mysteries" are only mysterious for people with very low IQ (or very low attantion-span)... Then there is the fact haracters lack any reason to be in the story both main and returning characters, not to mention the backgrounds-with-names...

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paladin181: The first book was designed to call back to the opening of the Fellowship of the Ring. It was to give readers a familiar point to draw in younger readers. As far as the rest, something tells me you didn't actually read much past the first few chapters.
Typical ignorant, didn't read it actualy WoT cultist you are, eh? Excellent member of your species.

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JakobFel: I haven't read them yet but I plan to. No offense but I never listen to the "plagiarism" accusations. I've found quite a few awesome series that were accused of that and in almost every case, I firmly disagree with said accusations. Additionally, as a Christian myself, the Christian message is absolutely up my alley. That is a major reason why the works of Tolkien and Lewis appeal to me so much.
Except Tolkien had no xian agenda.

But go ahead, be anti-culture. It will be your own fault.
It'd be time though to face reality. The Earth is not flat, and WoT is not good, objectively speaking. But I won't stop you reading.
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Phasmid: If you want to go that route, both Islam and Christianity are denominations of Judaism, which is itself a decendant of Atenism. Doesn't really matter since either way saying Shaitan is Christian is wrong.

Hope you enjoyed this lesson in comparative theology.
I odn't want to ruin your day, but you speak horseshit. The Bible's core is mesopotamian (babylonian) religion, influenced by SOME egyptian remarks, and ancient greek.

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twillight: Your apologetic is very lame.
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gog2002x: I thought we were having a civil conversation, my mistake.
You made a lame, obviously false excuse. You got what you deserved.

You also did not recognise the obvious Dune plagarism to start with, so no, again, common sense failed in your case.
Common sense fails most of the times. That's why modern, civilised people tend to not rely on it if possible.
Post edited July 18, 2021 by twillight
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blotunga: I actually found Brandon Sanderson's clojure for the series quite refreshing. The pacing and everything was as it should've been.
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twillight: I couldn't even get to the Sanderson-era, because the problem is not the pacing.
The problem is the ever-changing lore.

At Book 5 (unfinished) we have 16 of 13 Forsaken, 6 confirmed dead Forsaken but the characters (even the Forsakens themselves talk about 4 dead Forsaken.

Character personalities get swapped, storylines get changed unrecognisably, the "mysteries" are only mysterious for people with very low IQ (or very low attantion-span)... Then there is the fact haracters lack any reason to be in the story both main and returning characters, not to mention the backgrounds-with-names...

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paladin181: The first book was designed to call back to the opening of the Fellowship of the Ring. It was to give readers a familiar point to draw in younger readers. As far as the rest, something tells me you didn't actually read much past the first few chapters.
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twillight: Typical ignorant, didn't read it actualy WoT cultist you are, eh? Excellent member of your species.

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JakobFel: I haven't read them yet but I plan to. No offense but I never listen to the "plagiarism" accusations. I've found quite a few awesome series that were accused of that and in almost every case, I firmly disagree with said accusations. Additionally, as a Christian myself, the Christian message is absolutely up my alley. That is a major reason why the works of Tolkien and Lewis appeal to me so much.
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twillight: Except Tolkien had no xian agenda.

But go ahead, be anti-culture. It will be your own fault.
It'd be time though to face reality. The Earth is not flat, and WoT is not good, objectively speaking. But I won't stop you reading.
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Phasmid: If you want to go that route, both Islam and Christianity are denominations of Judaism, which is itself a decendant of Atenism. Doesn't really matter since either way saying Shaitan is Christian is wrong.

Hope you enjoyed this lesson in comparative theology.
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twillight: I odn't want to ruin your day, but you speak horseshit. The Bible's core is mesopotamian (babylonian) religion, influenced by SOME egyptian remarks, and ancient greek.

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gog2002x: I thought we were having a civil conversation, my mistake.
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twillight: You made a lame, obviously false excuse. You got what you deserved.

You also did not recognise the obvious Dune plagarism to start with, so no, again, common sense failed in your case.
Common sense fails most of the times. That's why modern, civilised people tend to not rely on it if possible.
maybe you could recognize the fact that this series has quite the following. liking or disliking even approve or label it as being good are both subjective and democratic values. Such as gee 10 people around the world enjoyed it as opposed to gee hundreds of thousands read and enjoyed these novels