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Dracomut1990: but overall games have gotten better over the years
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: That definitely isn't true. Most modern games are garbage, whereas in the past, most games were good and very few were of poor quality.
Don’t you lie to me.

Here are 100 crappy old games from various platforms, mainly from the 80’s and 90’s

1. Daikatana
2. Master Of Orion 3
3. Custer’s Revenge
4. Ultima 9
5. Action 52
6. Superman 64
7. Pac-Man for the Atari 2600
8. Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde
9. Night Trap
10. Shaq Fu
11. Bubsy 3D
12. Extreme Paintbrawl
13. Lester the Unlikely
14. Super 3D Noah’s Ark
15. Captain Novilin
16. Race Drivin
17. Mario is Missing!
18. Rocky Rodent
19. Bill Lambeers Combat Basketball
20. Wizardry 4
21. Animal
22. Limbo of the Lost
23. Doctor Who: Destiny of the doctors
24. American McGee’s Bad Day L.A.
25. Catfight
26. Critical Path
27. Awesome Possum
28. MegaMan 2 on DOS
29. Tongue of the Fatman
30. Krusty’s Fun House
31. Simpson’s Wrestling
32. Friday the 13th
33. Barney’s Hide and Seek
34. Beast Wrestler
35. Dark Castle
36. Last Action Hero
37. Aldo’s Adventure
38. Human Killing Machine
39. Mario’s Game Gallery
40. The Castlevania Adventure
41. Oscar
42. Buffy the Vampire Slayer
43. Yoda Stories
44. Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing
45. Personal Nightmare
46. Depth Dwellers
47. Elder Scrolls Adventures: Redguard
48. I.M. Meen
49. Crime Wave
50. Onesimus
51. Descent to Undermountain
52. Streets of Sim City
53. Beat Em & Eat em
54. Plumbers Don’t Wear Ties
55. H.U.R.L
56. Barbie Super Model
57. Rise of the Robots
58. Cyclemania
59. Virtuoso
60. Chaos Control
61. World Wide Rally
62. Tailchaser
63. Super Slam Dunk Contest
64. Doctor Who: Dalek Attack
65. Mr. Pibb
66. The Kristal
67. Read-A-Rama
68. Elf Bowling
69. Sonic’s Schoolhouse
70. Test Drive 4
71. Hologram Time Traveler
72. Microshaft Winblows 98
73. Sim Health
74. Mag Racer
75. Bible Adventures
76. Dark Towers
77. X-Perts
78. Bart Vs the Space Mutants
79. Pit-Fighter
80. Sonic 3D Blast
81. Mario’s Time Machine
82. Sword of Sidon
83. Fantasia
84. Bart’s Nightmare
85. Rascal
86. Elder Scrolls: Arena
87. Wild Woody
88. Michael Jordon Chaos in the Windy City
89. Phantasmagoria
90. Dark Seed
91. Time Killers
92. Kasumi Ninja
93. Dangerous Streets
94. Outpost
95. Night Walk
96. Cliffhanger
97. Dream Shopper
98. Name That Tune
99. War Gods
100. Extreme Bullriding

Want me to keep going? I can keep going. I can give 100 good modern games too.
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Dracomut1990: you cannot deny games like Super Mario Odyssey, Smash Bros Ultimate, Dragon Quest 11, Astral Chain, God Of War PS4, Red Dead Redemption 2, and various indie games have been breaking boundaries and have taken things old games did and improved upon them.
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rjbuffchix: Leaving aside "various indie games" and Astral Chain (which I am not familiar with), I'm not sure what "boundaries" were broken by the other games you named. They are sequels iterating upon the last games in their series, not examples of radical new experiences. That is fine, I personally like "more of the same" in gaming actually, but when it comes to your point I am not sure they are great evidence. Also, not everyone agrees the sequels are the best versions of a series gameplay. Ain't many people holding up the newest Final Fantasy as the best one.
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Dracomut1990: “BUT MICROTRANSACTIONS”
Not as prevalent as people claim. Plus believe it or not there are games that use them right,
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rjbuffchix: I'm curious how much prevalence would there need to be for you to acknowledge it as a problem? Could you assign a percentage point to that? For example, my standard is that any percentage above 0% in the industry is too prevalent. I wholeheartedly disagree with the idea that they can ever be done right. I will admit that straight up no-gambling version is "better" than the randomized gambling version, but I happily choose neither.
Primarily within the realms of freedom, flexibility, and storytelling. Indeed radical new experiences are overrated, much of the time I find it is indeed better just to take the old and improve and expand upon it. It may not be innovative, but they do help push and break the boundaries of their genres. Not everyone, but it does vary on the franchise and not all fans are reasonable. Only someone reallllly blinded by nostalgia would say Dragon Quest 2 is better than 11.

About 50% to 60%. Ignoring mobile shovelware I’d say barely 5% of modern have sort of microtransactions, it’s mainly an infamous few people think of. Scummy business practices in games have been around forever so it will always be above 0%. As long as the game does not hide itself behind a paywall or constantly try to force you to buy stuff, I don’t see an issue with micro transactions.
Post edited September 10, 2019 by Dracomut1990
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Dracomut1990: 3. Thou shalt not complain about the game not working on your computer when others clearly show the game itself is in working condition.
This can be entirely valid though. Eg, for a long time The Saboteur crashed on systems with more than 4x CPU cores that obviously only showed up on a few higher-end systems but not most mainstream dual / quads of the day, and yes it was down to the game code not user error. Negative reviews played a part in raising the visibility of such issues that allowed people to spot the hardware pattern behind it that created a patch to fix it. A buggy game doesn't have to affect everyone to be a buggy game.
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Dracomut1990: 4. Thou shalt not complain about modern games, yes there are problems in the industry today but overall games have gotten better over the years.
If you mean 'don't compare old games to new ones when reviewing the new game in the same franchise', then clearly "Don't judge Deus Ex: The Fall by Deus Ex (2000) standards" is a 'review guideline' that's already fallen flat on its face (with good reason)... ;-)

And I don't see the point in cherry picking 100 "worst" old games vs 100 "best" new ones when it's very easy to point out the multitude of newer sequels that keep getting lower review scores (eg, DX:MD rated lower than Deus Ex & DX:HR, Wolfenstein: Youngblood lower than the New Order & RTCW, Thief (2014) lower than Thief 1-2, Diablo 3 lower Diablo 2, Syberia 3 lower than Syberia 1-2, Broken Sword 4 vs 1-2, Dreamfall Chapters lower than The Longest Journey, Commandos 3 the worst of the 3, Jagged Alliance CrossFire / Rage vs JA2, Fallout 4 lower than New Vegas, Dragon Age 2 vs DAO, Amnesia: Machine for Pigs vs Dark Descent, Torment: Tides of Numenera vs Planescape, the SimCity 2013 train-wreck, etc). All it proves is there are good & bad games in every generation rather than "newer is always better". Calling out dumbing down / consolization, etc, of new sequels and going into detail why (rather than just saying "it sux") is entirely valid and useful information in negative reviews though.
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Dracomut1990: 5. Thou shalt not take into account whoever makes the game in your review. Some companies are scummy to be sure, but even they can make good games. Leave your opinions on them out of the review, review the game itself.
Sometimes they are simply inseparable. That's precisely why some devs are more prominently featured in this thread than others... Eg, when Party Hard 2 came out on GOG I didn't buy it because I suspected the publisher (tinybuild) would do a repeat of previous games before and release only half the game + DLC for GOG as a "second class" release. Guess what? That turned out to be true yet again, their reputation is deserved and of course it's useful to read "It's a tinybuild game. That means hold off buying this until it's verified the GOG edition is as complete as Steam's" in GOG reviews prior to purchase.
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: That definitely isn't true. Most modern games are garbage, whereas in the past, most games were good and very few were of poor quality.
Disagree. Most modern games are garbage and so are most old games. Most games have always been garbage.
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: That definitely isn't true. Most modern games are garbage, whereas in the past, most games were good and very few were of poor quality.
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clarry: Disagree. Most modern games are garbage and so are most old games. Most games have always been garbage.
Precisely

"90% of everything is crap"
- Sturgeon's Revelation
Post edited September 10, 2019 by Dracomut1990
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Dracomut1990: Here are 100 crappy old games from various platforms, mainly from the 80’s and 90’s
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And these games were categorized as "crappy" by who, exactly?
Because I recognize like ~20 of them and in my book they are OK. Actually, there are three games on this list which I'm playing quite frequently to this day and I'm still founding them more enjoyable than vast majority of stuff that are released today on PC and PS4 (especially on PS4).
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: That definitely isn't true. Most modern games are garbage, whereas in the past, most games were good and very few were of poor quality.
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Dracomut1990: Don’t you lie to me.

Here are 100 crappy old games from various platforms, mainly from the 80’s and 90’s

1-100.

Want me to keep going? I can keep going. I can give 100 good modern games too.
First of all. MoO III does not belong on that list. I happen to love that game. See!

With that out of the way..so what?
I can list a 100 good old games (wait, what's the name of this site now again?) and a 100 bad new games...
Doesn't mean squat in the end. Only taste does.

How do you like regenerating health bosses? sticky wall-cover shooters? skewed over-the-shoulder cameras? 30fps? tying engine to framerate? bloom out the wazoo? lensflares? dialogue-wheel? quicktime and scripted events? of which I will be including arkham style combat and asscreed "parkour".. cinematics upon cinematics instead of gameplay? pricey and limited voice-over instead of verbose text dialogue/story? brown on brown or grey on grey gritty graphics? graphics over content? controllers, which puts a limit on user input?

Like you said..I could go on and on..and haven't even mentioned chinese spying, DRM, lootboxes, steam monopsony, exclusivity, microtransactions, day one DLC, patch on release, paid early access, paid mods, etc etc..
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Dracomut1990: Don’t you lie to me.

Here are 100 crappy old games from various platforms, mainly from the 80’s and 90’s

1-100.

Want me to keep going? I can keep going. I can give 100 good modern games too.
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Vendor-Lazarus: First of all. MoO III does not belong on that list. I happen to love that game. See!

With that out of the way..so what?
I can list a 100 good old games (wait, what's the name of this site now again?) and a 100 bad new games...
Doesn't mean squat in the end. Only taste does.

How do you like regenerating health bosses? sticky wall-cover shooters? skewed over-the-shoulder cameras? 30fps? tying engine to framerate? bloom out the wazoo? lensflares? dialogue-wheel? quicktime and scripted events? of which I will be including arkham style combat and asscreed "parkour".. cinematics upon cinematics instead of gameplay? pricey and limited voice-over instead of verbose text dialogue/story? brown on brown or grey on grey gritty graphics? graphics over content? controllers, which puts a limit on user input?

Like you said..I could go on and on..and haven't even mentioned chinese spying, DRM, lootboxes, steam monopsony, exclusivity, microtransactions, day one DLC, patch on release, paid early access, paid mods, etc etc..
Good for you you, but there are many good reasons it is one of lowest rated games on this website.

So could I. My point is that crappy games have always existed. Each gaming generation has its ups and downs, its own shares of successes and failures. The thing is not to automatically reject an entire generation just because of the stinkers. Feel free to criticize modern games, there is a metric ton of room fo improvement, but don't go being an idiot and go "all new games suck!". We got plenty of games that are already classics and old games have their own fair share of problems. Quite few of which were as bad or even worse than common problems of today.
Post edited September 10, 2019 by Dracomut1990
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Dracomut1990: -snip-
Hi! I like reviewing things. Lemme review this.

1) I agree fully. Flaws should also be measured subjectively, instead of universally slammed. Just because you want the most realistic FPS doesn't mean there's someone else who thinks ASCII is just fine.

2) Partial agree. GOG has had a handful of games increase in price for no justifiable reason. I used to be able to recommend Factorio, but Factorio is not worth 30¤. And nothing about the game has given reason to such a price increase.

3) Indeed, a game not working immediately on first run or looking strange shouldn't be considered a sackcloth tearing divine punishment, but more the fickle whims of bored demilords.

4) ⁂ I'mma gonna toss this here. Needless braying is one thing, many things in games remain tropes because developers can't get it out of their head that a forced stamina system isn't a positive thing, for example.

5) Demi-Agree. You can bring it up in valid context of their pedigree, I'd say. IE, "Populus was made by the then fairly unknown Bullfrog Games, who"

6) Agree, and the inverse should apply as well. even ET for the A2600 and Pacman have things of note, even if they are largely relegated to being colossal jokes of the industry.

7) Agree; or just avoid buzzwords entirely, using actual functional descriptions.

8) Also agree. If you run out of room, just make a forum post in the game forums and link to it. I've done it a few times.

9) True.

10) Agree strongly. I might like Exile 2: The Crystal souls, but even I admit there's a good amount of jank.
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Dracomut1990: Here are 100 crappy old games from various platforms, mainly from the 80’s and 90’s
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Mr_GeO: And these games were categorized as "crappy" by who, exactly?
Because I recognize like ~20 of them and in my book they are OK. Actually, there are three games on this list which I'm playing quite frequently to this day and I'm still founding them more enjoyable than vast majority of stuff that are released today on PC and PS4 (especially on PS4).
A majority of gamers.
That’s because people never remember the bad games unless they truly become infamous.
Honestly I find that hard to believe, especially because many of the game’s I listed are widely known as the worst in the whole industry. Good for you if you enjoy them, however when you actually do research you will also find they are all hated for good reasons. And condemning a whole group of games just because you don’t care for them is just plain dumb.
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Dracomut1990: 1. Thou shalt not ignore a game’s flaws. No game is perfect and each is always going to have at least one problem. Even if you think it minor, be sure to divulge anything you think is an issue with the gameplay.
Indeed, no issues with that.
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Dracomut1990: 2. Thou shalt not complain about the price of the game, sales exist and can render complaints about price moot. If you sincerely think a game is overpriced, just say “wait for it to go on sale”.
Strongly disagree. As Lifthrasil said earlier, value-for-price is part of the decision making process for many people. A game costs a certain amount of money. What justifies this price tag? Does this $10 game provide enough value to live up to its price? Does this $60 game provide very little to justify putting that much cash on it? When comparing games, do I spend $10 on a game that can be done in 30 minutes with no extra content, or do I spend $30 on a game with a healthy modding scene, multiplayer that doesn't rely on any specific clients, tons of extras and tons of freedom, hours of gameplay and extremely replayability, etc? The price tag can make or break a game! Don't "wait for it to go on sale" on me. Besides, for how long would I have to wait to get a game exactly? Obviously a game that is released in the few days before the Fall Sale will not be discounted in the Fall Sale and will still sport full price. So yes, I want to know if spending $10 on that game with little content is better or worse than spending $30 on a game which I'll play for ages.
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Dracomut1990: 3. Thou shalt not complain about the game not working on your computer when others clearly show the game itself is in working condition. FAQs and customer service exist for a reason, take your complaints to the people who run Gog and spare us.
Disagree. You should be able to. Especially if none of that work and the developers don't offer you a solution.
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Dracomut1990: 4. Thou shalt not complain about modern games, yes there are problems in the industry today but overall games have gotten better over the years: less bullcrap difficulty, more varied gameplay, more innovation, better graphics, learning from the mistakes of old games, more multiplayer... No need to waste your review grumbling on how you think new games aren’t good.
Disagree. Games have gotten worse over the years: the difficulty of new games often rely on a long grind alleviated by in app purchases, and this more varied gameplay can be as without effort as "having new gameplay with few changes here and there." People have the right to see past the "better graphics" and rightfully call out stuff that are just nickel and diming, like in app purchases any form, excessive DLCs, etc.
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Dracomut1990: 5. Thou shalt not take into account whoever makes the game in your review. Some companies are scummy to be sure, but even they can make good games. Leave your opinions on them out of the review, review the game itself.
Strongly disagree. Yes you should, doubly so on GOG. You should call out a specific developer or publisher for not updating their games or holding back some content. You should call out for discrepancies in price when compared to another PC "store." You should call out publishers for holding back the full potential of a game. Even if they did nothing with that particular game, reminding the reader that this game was published by EA is a good reminder as any.
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Dracomut1990: 6. Thou shalt not title your review “best _ ever”, I hate to break to you but that one DOS game from your childhood is not the pinnacle of whatever genre it is, even if it is hailed as a classic there really is no one best game in any form. You can praise something without using hyperbole.
Don't care. It's all a matter of the reviewer's taste and language, and would in a normal scenario, not paint the rest of the review with that brush.
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Dracomut1990: 7. Thou shalt actually give details on how a game is “innovative”, “fun”, or “unique”, those words aren’t specific and don’t help anyone.

8. On a similar note, thou shalt not make a review that is just “this game is good. I’ve played it a bunch”. You are given a substantial amount of letters for a reason, use them and clarify what you actually like about the game
Agree
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Dracomut1990: 9. Thou shalt not talk about how you grew up with the game. You can gush about a game without giving your whole life story
Disagree. You can talk about how this game is what kept you entertained for hours and still keeps you entertained for hours.
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Dracomut1990: 10, In general, thou shalt not let nostalgia influence your review. Nostalgia isn’t a bad reason to like something, but it really doesn’t work as a reason to recommend a game to someone. Not every game is a classic or has even aged well, and that is perfectly fine. I myself love the game Wizardry 8, but also understand why a lot of gamers would not be into it, even those who enjoy CRPGs. Once again no game is perfect and not everyone is going to get into them.
First of all, I don't agree with the "age well" and "didn't age well" thing. Unless your system has troubles running a game properly, it plays today just as it did ten years ago just as it did twenty and thirty. Admit that it's not a matter of a game "aging" well or not, but rather your "taste" changing. You preferred Ultima 4 back in the day but now don't. Something like that.

And secondly, I also disagree with the whole nostalgia thing. GOG itself was built on nostalgia, that people wanted to pick up titles like Doom or like Wolfenstein or Fallout 1 or Diablo and relive the games they played ages ago, made compatible with their system and getting active customer support from GOG, along with the goodies delivered digitally. It wouldn't make sense to separate how playing Sacrifice back in the day made you pick it up on GOG and you enjoyed it just as well as you did a couple years ago.
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Dracomut1990: Here are 100 crappy old games from various platforms, mainly from the 80’s and 90’s
And? There are 100 worse games released every day now. If you want to be objective, modern gaming is objectively worse. Totally insane amounts of churned-out asset flip shovelware released for mobile and Steam. I'm sure you'll try to claim they "don't count" or something, but they are real games that are readily available so they definitely count, and they drag the average quality way down.
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Dracomut1990: crappy old game

89. Phantasmagoria
Oh, go eat a garden shovel! Phantasmagoria is rad.
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Dracomut1990: Here are 100 crappy old games from various platforms, mainly from the 80’s and 90’s
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eric5h5: And? There are 100 worse games released every day now. If you want to be objective, modern gaming is objectively worse. Totally insane amounts of churned-out asset flip shovelware released for mobile and Steam. I'm sure you'll try to claim they "don't count" or something, but they are real games that are readily available so they definitely count, and they drag the average quality way down.
The Switch alone disproves that modern gaming is objectively worse.
Thing is Shovelware has existed since gaming was conceived and it was much MUCH worse in the older days. Gaming was nearly killed off due to almost everything being shovelware. I see no reason to call out modern gaming for shovelware when it has been a problem in the industry since day one,
Post edited September 10, 2019 by Dracomut1990
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Dracomut1990: -snip-
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Darvond: 4) ⁂ I'mma gonna toss this here. Needless braying is one thing, many things in games remain tropes because developers can't get it out of their head that a forced stamina system isn't a positive thing, for example.
Hmm! Very good point. I had not thought of that.