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BKGaming: Actually fables said as far as she knows, they are planning to save the setting so if you stay on the same PC you may only have to uncheck it once.

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/offline_installers_with_an_option_to_install_gog_galaxy/post422/?staff=yes
I actually think that is an acceptable solution too, but this GOG... next the argument will be they moved/hid them to faze them out soon like the downloader.
Which may also be true, but it would still mean that I do get to keep my clean installers a while longer.

And as far as Fables knows, they are planning to make the sun come out through the west tomorrow. Even if she did know, she would only say PR bullshit that you couldn't hold them accountable for. Her word barely means anything by this point. Plus, even in the case that she does know and they honestly do play to make that happen, it could take them months to actually implement it. We've seen that happen. And then they would probably break the storing of the default install folder or something along those lines while they're doing that.

Yeah my trust on GOG is at an all time low and I'm very bitter about it.
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throgh: And yet YouTube is another proprietary platform, sharing more than only videos. But of course: It's a nice picture to believe in, even it is just a fake one. ;-)
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BKGaming: Sorry but I really don't care dude, I don't have some issue with proprietary platforms... that's your issue. :P
Of course: It could be my issue, but that's not the point. It's just a commercial from CD Projekt / GOG.com. And after so many years being treated not the best, ignored issues and things to poison the community ... my trust in GOG is now after this low-level-communication on the lowest level possible, even STEAM seems therefore more reliable and I couldn't care less about that platform. STEAM is no option and GOG neither after tomorrow. :-)
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If I go by the size of 150M for galaxy and that I have 338 games, thats almost 50 gigabytes of galaxy that I'll be downloading and storing all over and over again.

This is supposed to make me want to use it? I used to be indifferent to it, but I sure hate it now.
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Rixasha: If I go by the size of 150M for galaxy and that I have 338 games, thats almost 50 gigabytes of galaxy that I'll be downloading and storing all over and over again.

This is supposed to make me want to use it?
GOG: Those pesky offline installers sure are inconvenient now, aren't they? Wink wink, nudge nudge, know what I mean?

User: Are you, uh,...are you selling something?

GOG: SELLING! Very good, very good! Ay? Ay? Ay?
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GR00T: I think this is what the vast majority of us want, and if they did this, the whole shitstorm would probably die off immediately. Why they've decided to go for the opt-in as default is... disturbing in its implications.
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adaliabooks: I disagree, on both points. Some people just want to complain. They don't care what's actually going on or why as long as they can rant about it and assume some kind of ridiculous moral superiority. Whatever Gog do there will be a shitstorm.

I also don't think there is any implication in having opt in as default. It is very literally appealing to the lowest common denominator, the people who will install things without reading anything the installer says and ticking or unticking any boxes. I don't think it's strictly necessary but I can see why they would do it.

Here's an example. I sell pizza for a living. I have a van, with the word Pizza literally written all over it. There are at least two separate menus listing the pizzas we sell. We get asked at least once a week what we sell. We get asked at least once a week whether we sell chips. I always refrain from screaming at them that if we sold chips it would be on the f*cking menu. I wish I didn't have to.

People are stupid. Just because the people who use this forum are by and large tech savy computer nerds doesn't mean that we are at all representative of Gog's customer base any more.
Gog are doing what they need to do to sell more games, which is make the process of getting what you want as easy as possible for as many people as possible.
Maybe the real issue here is that GOG is stupid, because everything you're saying could be addressed with a download FAQ or tutorial, accessible on the download page.
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BKGaming: Sorry but I really don't care dude, I don't have some issue with proprietary platforms... that's your issue. :P
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throgh: Of course: It could be my issue, but that's not the point. It's just a commercial from CD Projekt / GOG.com. And after so many years being treated not the best, ignored issues and things to poison the community ... my trust in GOG is now after this low-level-communication on the lowest level possible, even STEAM seems therefore more reliable and I couldn't care less about that platform. STEAM is no option and GOG neither after tomorrow. :-)
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/sites_like_gog/page1
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adaliabooks: I disagree, on both points. Some people just want to complain. They don't care what's actually going on or why as long as they can rant about it and assume some kind of ridiculous moral superiority. Whatever Gog do there will be a shitstorm.

I also don't think there is any implication in having opt in as default. It is very literally appealing to the lowest common denominator, the people who will install things without reading anything the installer says and ticking or unticking any boxes. I don't think it's strictly necessary but I can see why they would do it.

Here's an example. I sell pizza for a living. I have a van, with the word Pizza literally written all over it. There are at least two separate menus listing the pizzas we sell. We get asked at least once a week what we sell. We get asked at least once a week whether we sell chips. I always refrain from screaming at them that if we sold chips it would be on the f*cking menu. I wish I didn't have to.

People are stupid. Just because the people who use this forum are by and large tech savy computer nerds doesn't mean that we are at all representative of Gog's customer base any more.
Gog are doing what they need to do to sell more games, which is make the process of getting what you want as easy as possible for as many people as possible.
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richlind33: Maybe the real issue here is that GOG is stupid, because everything you're saying could be addressed with a download FAQ or tutorial, accessible on the download page.
No, it couldn't. People don't read.
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richlind33: Maybe the real issue here is that GOG is stupid, because everything you're saying could be addressed with a download FAQ or tutorial, accessible on the download page.
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skimmie: No, it couldn't. People don't read.
They do when they're motivated.
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skimmie: No, it couldn't. People don't read.
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richlind33: They do when they're motivated.
And how are you planning to motivate them? People don't even read a readme.txt if it is named readmefirst!.txt - unfortunately that is the truth for many (luckily not all so the world is still safe ;)).
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MarkoH01: snip
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F4LL0UT: See, the points you made are exactly the ones I made in my response to fable22 and why adding the option to install Galaxy through the offline installers is in my opinion utter bollocks. The difference seems to be that I don't think that it was some preparation for making Galaxy obligatory.

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I think the bundling of the Galaxy Installer with Game installers is not a good idea,but I don't make get the logic of the leap that GOG will make Galaxy Mandatory.
And, BTW you CAN play games installed via Galaxy without Galaxy.there is no obligatory client the way there is with Steam.
GOG has made a bad decision here, but a lot of the reaction is a good example of the Paranoia about DRM that seems to be common around here.
Fact is, people were demanding things that GOG could only offer thourgh something like GOG Galaxy (how often have I read people bitching because there were no Achivements on GOG. I don't give a damn about Achievments,but a lot of people do) and you had the problem of on line gaming (the online software that comes with GOG games is obsolete,and the gaming services they link to are long gone).
The Anti DRM has gone from being a legitmate concern to being pretty damn hysteric.
GOG is a business. If they don't sell games, they don't survive. To compete with Steam,they felt they needed to offer a lot of the services and ease of use that Steam has.
Not a big fan of Steam (though I use it) but I think the mere fact that Galaxy works a little like the Steam program is causing overreaction. I guess it was to expected,given that hyperbole, and emotional overreaction is what Internet discourse, sadly has become all about.

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Gilozard: Requiring a client is DRM.
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F4LL0UT: Please, having to log into the client to get DRM free installers is as much DRM as logging onto the website is. It does not restrict your ability to duplicate or use the content once downloaded, does it.

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Gilozard: If GOG no longer offers those services and I have to do the same checking for a game no matter where I get it, then GOG is only competing on price.
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F4LL0UT: You are aware that the games that come with the still optional Galaxy installer do not actually require it, right?
And even games that you install with Galaxy do not require Galaxy to play...just go to the folder of the desktop icon.
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dudalb: I think the bundling of the Galaxy Installer with Game installers is not a good idea,but I don't make get the logic of the leap that GOG will make Galaxy Mandatory.
And, BTW you CAN play games installed via Galaxy without Galaxy.there is no obligatory client the way there is with Steam.
GOG has made a bad decision here, but a lot of the reaction is a good example of the Paranoia about DRM that seems to be common around here.
Fact is, people were demanding things that GOG could only offer thourgh something like GOG Galaxy (how often have I read people bitching because there were no Achivements on GOG. I don't give a damn about Achievments,but a lot of people do) and you had the problem of on line gaming (the online software that comes with GOG games is obsolete,and the gaming services they link to are long gone).
The Anti DRM has gone from being a legitmate concern to being pretty damn hysteric.
GOG is a business. If they don't sell games, they don't survive. To compete with Steam,they felt they needed to offer a lot of the services and ease of use that Steam has.
Not a big fan of Steam (though I use it) but I think the mere fact that Galaxy works a little like the Steam program is causing overreaction. I guess it was to expected,given that hyperbole, and emotional overreaction is what Internet discourse, sadly has become all about.
So tell me: Who in fact wanted to compete with STEAM? That's the same problem as decentralized networks and open-source social media has got like Diaspora. They want to compete with something, they could not beat. No matter how big, how small, how good or bad they are. How do you compete with something which is from the start bigger? Exactly: No way around and no way in between. But there is another opportunity: Call it antithesis. GOG had one: Good Old Games and the possibility of small but on-going growth. What was their conclusion? Step back from this and try to be something, which in fact will enforce them to get rid of every single principle they ever had. Why? Again: Because of the customers they want here. People tend to give up principles because they want "comfort". And so they cry for it: Cloud savegames, archievements, proprietary multiplayer ... who needs this? That's the question. And who think some time later? The people want another STEAM, they'll get it here. Nice and without recognition. Even now the voices become complete silent because GOG presented some "compromise". I call it a false one! Why? Because in fact they only presented some intermediate step. What do you want? Everytime watching the installed files? Or being surprised that one day the so-called classic installers are part of the past? If there should be a stop of this, the customers must also stop with crying for new, shiny features. So "we" have to do something, but yeah: Of course this is hysteric about DRM, like some myths and legends around. ;-)

I have enough of this: After the download is finished for the last game, I'll step back and ask for a deletion. Everytime watching for some DRM? No thanks. There are enough other possibilities and if we want to be honest to ourselves: Most of us have enough games, even so much we have for the next years and counting. Games are a luxurious property, some for entertainment, some for even more and telling good stories. There is no need being some kind of slave and hunter for "games".
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richlind33: They do when they're motivated.
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MarkoH01: And how are you planning to motivate them? People don't even read a readme.txt if it is named readmefirst!.txt - unfortunately that is the truth for many (luckily not all so the world is still safe ;)).
Simple -- you make it clear that customers are expected to read the FAQ *before* contacting support, and when anyone does contact support with questions addressed by the FAQ, you send them the FAQ and a Galaxy link. End of.

But I'd also set up the downloading system like this:

Option 1) Quick and Easy! (Galaxy link)
Option 2) Manual Downloading (which takes you to the page with the offline installation files)
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throgh: How do you compete with something which is from the start bigger?
Well by growing and growing until you finally get bigger, or at least remain profitable, that how competition works and why we have antitrust laws.

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throgh: Exactly: No way around and no way in between. But there is another opportunity: Call it antithesis. GOG had one: Good Old Games and the possibility of small but on-going growth. What was their conclusion? Step back from this and try to be something, which in fact will enforce them to get rid of every single principle they ever had.
You do know that Steam also sell only games right ? it's not like Gog ever had the exclusivity, if anything they shown publishers that there was a market for it which resulted in more and more older games being sold on Steam too. It's not like they would have been able to survive for very long the old game niche alone so they decide to concentrate on the DRM-free niche instead.

Also competing with Steam is not really an option, Steam is the biggest player in their field, simply by existing they are de facto competing with it.

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throgh: What do you want? Everytime watching the installed files? Or being surprised that one day the so-called classic installers are part of the past?
Yeah, because it's not like the posted a thread informing of their intention in advance... peoples had to watch every single installed file to discover their intention of bundling Galaxy...
I'll just link it here, since someone might overlook it:
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/offline_installers_with_an_option_to_install_gog_galaxy/post929
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Gersen: You do know that Steam also sell only games right ? it's not like Gog ever had the exclusivity, if anything they shown publishers that there was a market for it which resulted in more and more older games being sold on Steam too. It's not like they would have been able to survive for very long the old game niche alone so they decide to concentrate on the DRM-free niche instead.

Also competing with Steam is not really an option, Steam is the biggest player in their field, simply by existing they are de facto competing with it.
How practical this view, isn't it? :)
You overlook something: Galaxy is practical for CD Projekt RED and their published games. Noted within the reports and planning. And an antithesis doesn't work like this: It's more about being stable but also a stagnation can be good. There is nothing negative about that and that's exactly only a bad myth that no growth is bad. But of course: You can also believe this myth!