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Feeling a bit better (so long it lasts).

My dear fellow colleagues, may I remind you that we have 5 Leads and only 4 days (3 clues). Zeogold tried to warn us about the urgency of this case in post 4.

Mr. Olf, what would phone records proof? That a call was placed? Does it mean the person was next to the phone? Don't you remember the old case were a quite brilliant mind used telegrams as an alibi? Till it was found out, he used a double too send those? Oh yes, he got away with it, for a long time.

Same might go for hunting down those codes. Would they really proof anything? Anyone could enter those codes, or?

My dear Mr. Bler,

some brilliant thinking. but for my feeling you neglected the opportunity part too much. Motive, motive, does it always have to be the motive? Was Lynette having an affair with LeRoy, would it be a motive? Yes for sure my dear colleague. Would it give the killer the opportunity though?
Was LeRoy of Mike being pushed by the GOGfather? We don't know for sure, but why shall then the GOGfather put us, the best minds, onto this job and get in danger to be found guilty? Would it be really wroth the risk?

So I think that in this case the motive is only a secondary choice for us to consider. If we were able to exclude by deduction any possible person we might get a better idea for the motive alongside, or?

And using a bit deduction just beforehand as well, can we establish a verifiable timeline? both shootings happened around the same time as both eye-witnesses reported, a difference of minutes will be really hard to establish.

Even if the alarm had been turned on and off, this was around the same time Markus was getting shoot. So it would not proof or disprove anything, am I deducting correctly? So the timeline for now seems to be rather irrelevant. Even the autopsy could not really help us so much for the timeline either, it would not even proof if she opened the door or somebody else. According to our knowledge the same weapon has been used in both shootings, which emphasizes the means and opportunity above motive.

The tape might already reveal who the murder is. Lets assume Mike would have been the murder, we would see a person coming back to scene dropping of the weapon, as Lynette was still alive when M&M were leaving the house,. unfortunate our colleague Zeogold never bothered taking notes were the camera was found and if it was still recording. Zeogold my friend, have you not paid attention while visiting the course in Germany? Were you to busy with those Leberkäs-Semmeln? And can you please check your notes if you have some information about this or why you failed to take note of this *hammering on the table and shouting: Öffnen*

But back to the tape and more deduction, if we do not see a person coming back on the video we could for the moment exclude Mike from the list, as he would have needed to come back to the scene of the first shooting, right my dear colleagues?

The only person which would have not needed to come back to the crime scene in the forest would have been the killer of Lynette, did I deduct correctly so for the moment?

Yes the search might show up another suspect, maybe, which again using pure deduction again seems to be unlikely as we would be back to the point, why shall the GOGfather take this extreme risk by getting us involved?

Jawohl meine Herren, oh excuse me my Lady *bowing towards Officer Sci* I think that sums it up quite nicely.

But feel free to inject your thinking as well, Zeogold really needs our help here, otherwise he will have to work for Zeagold, and I don't think we want this to happen, or?
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Goodaltgamer: My dear fellow colleagues, may I remind you that we have 5 Leads and only 4 days (3 clues). Zeogold tried to warn us about the urgency of this case in post 4.

some brilliant thinking. but for my feeling you neglected the opportunity part too much. Motive, motive, does it always have to be the motive? Was Lynette having an affair with LeRoy, would it be a motive? Yes for sure my dear colleague. Would it give the killer the opportunity though?
On the first point, the note in post 4 is just an extra challenge - a gold star/higher difficulty achievement, if you will.

The game, assuming it runs like the others, will still continue until everyone has made their final analysis, which is generally after all the evidence has been revealed. I think last game 2 people tried to submit at the challenge deadline and were both missing key parts of the story.

In all the prior puzzles (4-5?) I only recall one person nailing it by the challenge deadline, and most don't even try.

So assume you'll eventually see all the evidence, the order is really about whether you want to even try and meet the challenge deadline or not.

On the second point, your points are generally fair, though "opportunity" here is quite broad. We have 4 individuals at a rural location, 2 of whom are dead, and the other 2 both suspects. So opportunity abounds (swimming in it), except within any constraints provided by the timeline. imo.
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Goodaltgamer: unfortunate our colleague Zeogold never bothered taking notes were the camera was found and if it was still recording.
I don't even know. That search is up to you guys to figure out. I'm still trying to solve this crossword puzzle.

Anybody got a 10-letter word for "utensil"?
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Goodaltgamer: Zeogold my friend, have you not paid attention while visiting the course in Germany?
But...I was never in Germany.
Are you thinking of Zeolito? He used to run a worldwide luchador circuit. Might've been him. People say we look alike.
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bler144: On the first point, the note in post 4 is just an extra challenge - a zeogold star/higher difficulty achievement, if you will.
Fixed it.
Post edited October 17, 2016 by zeogold
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bler144: On the first point, the note in post 4 is just an extra challenge - a gold star/higher difficulty achievement, if you will.

The game, assuming it runs like the others, will still continue until everyone has made their final analysis, which is generally after all the evidence has been revealed. I think last game 2 people tried to submit at the challenge deadline and were both missing key parts of the story.

In all the prior puzzles (4-5?) I only recall one person nailing it by the challenge deadline, and most don't even try.

So assume you'll eventually see all the evidence, the order is really about whether you want to even try and meet the challenge deadline or not.

On the second point, your points are generally fair, though "opportunity" here is quite broad. We have 4 individuals at a rural location, 2 of whom are dead, and the other 2 both suspects. So opportunity abounds (swimming in it), except within any constraints provided by the timeline. imo.
My dear colleague Bler, you speak in strange words?

Aren't we the best, are we not ready for a challenge?

As the timeline dictates the opportunities, we can already predict by deduction a few things as i mentioned before.
A obvious fact for the timeline is that Lynette and Markus were both alive when Markus left?

The shooting happened around the same times, but with the tape we know for sure, when Markus shooting happened as Zeogold pointed out the tape was rolling, unless for sure we would deduct that Zeogold would be our prime suspect for giving us false information right from the beginning and he is our killer.

So with the tape we establish rather precisely when this shooting happened. This by default will also give us the opportunity to directly exclude, so long other evidence allows it, to directly exclude one or the other. If the shooting off Markus happens let's say 10 minutes after leaving the house we have a precise timing to look at the timing of the deceased Lynette.

Lynettes time of murder would not give us any clue about the murder of Markus, but the murder of Markus does give us a direct clue, wouldn't it?

Opportunity in the way off possibility/time-frame availability if this does clear it up a bit? If the shooting would happen at a time when the alarm was active it would give a preliminary alibi to LeRoy. or a third suspect.
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zeogold: I don't even know. That search is up to you guys to figure out. I'm still trying to solve this crossword puzzle.

Anybody got a 10-letter word for "utensil"?
Yes

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zeogold: But...I was never in Germany.
Are you thinking of Zeolito? He used to run a worldwide luchador circuit. Might've been him. People say we look alike.
OK, so you had too much beer as well. You have a rare case of beer induced amnesia.
Post edited October 17, 2016 by Goodaltgamer
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Goodaltgamer: Aren't we the best, are we not ready for a challenge?
Well, uh....to be honest, I MAY just have picked you guys because you're willing to work for free.
Or, at least, for food I ain't payin' for.
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Goodaltgamer: OK, so you had too much beer as well.
I may have had 2 root beer floats, but I don't see what that has to do with anything.
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Goodaltgamer: unless for sure we would deduct that Zeogold would be our prime suspect for giving us false information right from the beginning and he is our killer.
*slight sweating*
Post edited October 17, 2016 by zeogold
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zeogold: Well, uh....to be honest, I MAY just have picked you guys because you're willing to work for free.
Or, at least, for food I ain't payin' for.
Clue 1
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zeogold: I may have had 2 root beer floats, but I don't see what that has to do with anything.
Clue 2
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zeogold: *slight sweating*
Clue 3

Ok, case solved? it was Zeogold all the way? Root beer as an accuse for amnesia and forgetting about his course in Germany?
Admitting he is a cheapskate and hence wasting our time?
And when being shown the fact starting to sweat?

That really makes him suspicious. *putting an eye on him*
Sigh. You guys are too fast. While I haven't think anything about this case and only pick my vote because it's a hard evidence, you guys already laid out probably all possibilities for this case.

Now, what was that crossword again?
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kusumahendra: Sigh. You guys are too fast. While I haven't think anything about this case and only pick my vote because it's a hard evidence, you guys already laid out probably all possibilities for this case.

Now, what was that crossword again?
Sorry dear Hendra,

I know you must be still jet-lagged, we were only brain storming, take your time, get a cup of coffee and read through all of it. Have some Leberkäs with it, although Max could get some new Semmeln, they are getting old.
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Goodaltgamer: That really makes him suspicious. *putting an eye on him*
Uh-oh.
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Maxvorstadt: interrogate the co-workers of Markus Jones.
Could you clarify whether this is asking for Leroy's testimony or not?
I mean, Leroy is the only co-worker we have an opportunity to investigate, so I'm assuming that's who you're talking about.
My fellow colleagues,

As you may or may not be aware, I employ unorthodox investigation and interrogation techniques and an unusual assortment of gear with which are often mired in controversy. I pay little heed to those who doubt my investigative methods however and roll with what works for me based on my extensive experience in the field.

For the better part of the day I have been mulling over the existing story and evidence provided so far while contemplating the best course of action to take next. I have turned to my trustworthy Gibson SG-62 as a primary investigative tool to determine the correct path as it was the obvious choice to move forward given the evidence so far. After 8 hours of deliberation with free-style cross-genre rhythm and lead improvisation with a few necessary bio-breaks have lead to a chord progression which I believe is highly suggestive of the next course of action, as well as certain solo elements which have highlighted certain elements of the details so far.

Some observations from the jam session:
- The camouflaged shooter appeared from behind a rock presumably at close range, shot Markus once in the leg and then turned and headed off into the woods. This suggests to me that the shooter either had very poor aim and/or simply did not really intend to kill him. Perhaps they meant only to wound him with a knee shot to send a message, or perhaps they just wanted him to be scared into dropping the mafia expose. However, if it were merely a scare tactic then Lynnette probably would not have been killed also. She was killed point blank, but Markus in the knee?

- Lynnette may be the one who turned off the alarm. One reason why one might do this is because they know the person on the other side of the door. My guitar suggests to me that Lynnette looked through the peephole and saw a familiar unmasked face, disabled the alarm and opened the door where she was shot at point blank from the familiar face, whom then put their mask back on prior to Leroy seeing them.

- The gun was found near Markus' body, which suggests to me that if this was a single assailant with a single weapon, then either Markus was killed last and the weapon ditched not far away from his body, or Markus was as Zeagold suggests killed first, then the killer returned after killing Lynnette to Markus' body where they left the gun behind.

- Since the mask etc. were found in a shed near the house, it would seem that the wife was first killed, then Markus, then the killer went back near the house to leave the gloves. That seems very odd. If they threw the gun down, why would they not keep their mask etc. until they were far enough away and then ditch them in the woods or elsewhere instead? Something smells very fishy. Seems like a dangerous extra effort to go back near the house to remove a mask then walk away unmasked. Why wear the mask in the first place if you're going to expose yourself like this to others who may be in the house?

- The mafia would not put out a hit on someone and send a hitman with poor aim like that. Markus could have potentially survived the knee shot. The killer suddenly appeared from behind a rock suggests they were waiting there to ambush Markus because it would seem unlikely that they would have just stumbled upon him strolling unless they knew he was going to be filming there, in which case they could lay in ambush.

Considering all of these factors, my SG and I are of the opinion that the killer was known to Markus and Lynnette and that they were not sent by the mafia. A mafia hit man would have not only killed both of them, but would have killed the other two as well, as each person killed had another person near by as it happened who was observed by the killer who left them live. A mafia hit would have most likely taken out any additional witnesses to not leave any loose ends behind, and perhaps even made it look like they shot each other by planting weapons on them. The killer removing their mask near the house and placing it in the shed seems very careless as well, and if Markus was indeed killed first and they returned, why would they do so? To finish him off? A mafia hit would have done it the first time, not returned later to take another shot. I suspect the killer knew Markus and may have felt bad or guilty for killing him, and perhaps that is why their aim was off also.

- Why was the gun abandoned near Markus? Either out of carelessness due to emotion, or to purposefully be discovered, perhaps with fingerprints planted on it. Only a further investigation of the weapon might reveal that.

I believe the next step is to do a full crime scene investigation, as it is absolutely crucial that all evidence be discovered and considered as soon as possible after crimes like this. According to my guitar, if 24-48 hours goes by in these cases they often turn into cold cases never to be solved, so maximizing evidence is of key importance.

<guitar solo here>

Therefore, I must vote for Crime Scene Search.
Post edited October 17, 2016 by skeletonbow
I am only wandering why our fellow colleagues Mr. Wald, ZFR and Deja haven't shown up yet. Are they down at the shooting range again?

Would somebody please let them know that the case is on?
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skeletonbow: snip
Good points.


My current theory is that Lynette shot Markus to scare him off without meaning to kill him, came back to the house where she ditched the clothes, but brought the gun back into the house.

Upon entering, Leroy took the gun, killed her (he is a bad, bad man) and then circled out to finish off Markus only to find he was already dead, thus ditched the gun.

Mystery solved!
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skeletonbow: snip
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bler144: Good points.

My current theory is that Lynette shot Markus to scare him off without meaning to kill him, came back to the house where she ditched the clothes, but brought the gun back into the house.

Upon entering, Leroy took the gun, killed her (he is a bad, bad man) and then circled out to finish off Markus only to find he was already dead, thus ditched the gun.

Mystery solved!
No, No, two cases of suicide! maybe assisted, but nevertheless suicide.

And link doesn't work for me....
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bler144: Good points.

My current theory is that Lynette shot Markus to scare him off without meaning to kill him, came back to the house where she ditched the clothes, but brought the gun back into the house.

Upon entering, Leroy took the gun, killed her (he is a bad, bad man) and then circled out to finish off Markus only to find he was already dead, thus ditched the gun.

Mystery solved!
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Goodaltgamer: No, No, two cases of suicide! maybe assisted, but nevertheless suicide.

And link doesn't work for me....
youtube link blocked in germany, probably. It's a karaoke version of "Bad, Bad Leroy Brown" so you can sing along in the language of your choice.