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Posted January 18, 2015
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gunsynd: Hasn't the TPB been sunk?
this thread has been sunk but some necromancers revived it.
Post edited January 18, 2015 by XYCat
Posted January 18, 2015
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gunsynd: Hasn't the TPB been sunk?
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XYCat: this thread has been sunk but some necromancers revived it.
Yep:-)
Posted January 18, 2015
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Neobr10: 99.99% do not buy it afterwards.

It's not just your opinion, it's a fact. The "lack of demo" argument is just a cheap excuse to get games for free. It's just a BS excuse to make pirates look right.
I think your number may be a little high. I know of quite a few people, including myself who will buy a game if it intrigues me for more than an hour or two. If I'm not fighting with it, etc. Abstract numbers pulled out of the air do no one any good.
Posted January 19, 2015
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Neobr10: It just doesn't justify it, especially at this day and age when it's never been so easy to find tons of information before purchasing a game. Not to mention that games have never been so cheap as they are today with all these sales.
Really. Between Let's Plays on youtube, dozens of review sites, Twitch, and plain ol' player reviews and forums like those found at this store, one can get (made-up statistic) 80% of the experience with a couple hours on the internet. About the only 'reasonable' excuse I can think of is, "Will my PC be able to run it?", and that's where demos really did come in handy.



I'm trying to conjure up memories of demos from the past (before much of the stuff noted above) where my purchase decision was cemented. One that will always come to mind is the two-map demo of Battlefield 1942. Even the laggy, somewhat buggy demo of the 1.0 release was enough to convince me that the title was something special. Instabuy when it came out, based entirely on that experience.
Posted January 19, 2015
I'm definitely one of the few who bought games after pirating them. Thats kind of how I got into GOG, I thought no way this works as well as they say and such and such so I torrented a few games and found that they were not kidding. DRM free and work with a high degree of consistency on modern systems. So I bought them and many many more. This kind of story is not the common one unfortunately and I still feel kind of quilty about it even though I bought them afterwords.
Post edited January 19, 2015 by ScotchMonkey
Posted January 19, 2015
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ScotchMonkey: I still feel kind of quilty about it even though I bought them afterwords.
You have been excused. Better late than never! :-)
Posted February 12, 2015
I don't torrent games that much, but when I do:
- Spore: didn't buy (heavy DRM at that time, + the last/longest phase of the game was clearly not my favorite)
- Morrowind: liked it, bought it
- Oblivion: liked it, bought it in GotY
- Final fantasy 7: owned it, torrented it because I had lost my CD3 (and I won't buy the digital version as long as there is the mandatory SE-account-DRM)
- Baldur's game : owned it, torrented it because I hated having to chance CD every time... and haven't even played it since then (but thinking about buying it here, too, since my english has improved)
- Fallout 3: torrented it, played a few hours, deleted it (then reinstalled fallout 2 + restoration project, and forgot about that "apocablivion" fake fallout)
- X3 terran conflict: torrented, played like 20 hours in 2 days, bought the X-superbox (X-tension to X3-albion prelude)
- Heroes of might and magic 4: tried, deleted, no comment (those who tried it know the reason)
- Age of wonders 2, tried it, bought the pack here
- Alien vs predator (2010): I wish I had torrented it first (or had a demo to try it), so I wouldn't have bought that crap on steam last year

I also torrented some games which ended after, like, 2 hours, and "f##ck, 10€ for that ? nope" (+delete)
And for at least one game, I knew I had it somewhere but was too lazy to look for it

Neobr10 : "games have never been so cheap as they are today with all these sales."
Are we talking about the same games ? the ones sold with at least 4 DLCs packs ? those games you pay 3 time their original price because the developers thought it would be better to sell the whole game in pieces ?
Or maybe you only buy your games like 3 years later, when they are in GotY/collector/legendary/deluxe/premium packs, and with -50%/-75% discount ?
Posted February 12, 2015
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Phoenix-co: I don't torrent games that much, but when I do:
- Spore: didn't buy (heavy DRM at that time, + the last/longest phase of the game was clearly not my favorite)
- Morrowind: liked it, bought it
- Oblivion: liked it, bought it in GotY
- Final fantasy 7: owned it, torrented it because I had lost my CD3 (and I won't buy the digital version as long as there is the mandatory SE-account-DRM)
- Baldur's game : owned it, torrented it because I hated having to chance CD every time... and haven't even played it since then (but thinking about buying it here, too, since my english has improved)
- Fallout 3: torrented it, played a few hours, deleted it (then reinstalled fallout 2 + restoration project, and forgot about that "apocablivion" fake fallout)
- X3 terran conflict: torrented, played like 20 hours in 2 days, bought the X-superbox (X-tension to X3-albion prelude)
- Heroes of might and magic 4: tried, deleted, no comment (those who tried it know the reason)
- Age of wonders 2, tried it, bought the pack here
- Alien vs predator (2010): I wish I had torrented it first (or had a demo to try it), so I wouldn't have bought that crap on steam last year

I also torrented some games which ended after, like, 2 hours, and "f##ck, 10€ for that ? nope" (+delete)
And for at least one game, I knew I had it somewhere but was too lazy to look for it

Neobr10 : "games have never been so cheap as they are today with all these sales."
Are we talking about the same games ? the ones sold with at least 4 DLCs packs ? those games you pay 3 time their original price because the developers thought it would be better to sell the whole game in pieces ?
Or maybe you only buy your games like 3 years later, when they are in GotY/collector/legendary/deluxe/premium packs, and with -50%/-75% discount ?
That is brave of you to admit it here. I'm also glad you paid money and bought the games you liked and didn'y use the pirated versions after downloading them; and I'm sure the GOG community feels the same. But this proves how much DRM and lacking a demo can hurt the new games coming out.
Posted February 12, 2015
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Pardinuz: In the age of Let's Plays and Youtube reviews there is really no excuse for pirating just for the sake of seeing what the game actually looks like.
That's a stupid thing to say. Reviews and let's plays don't reflect your gaming abilities or how your hardware would handle the game. A demo is a much better way to make a negative purchase decision (which as explained is why they're not around). Plus let's plays can ruin your enjoyment of the game.

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Phoenix-co: Neobr10 : "games have never been so cheap as they are today with all these sales."
Are we talking about the same games ? the ones sold with at least 4 DLCs packs ? those games you pay 3 time their original price because the developers thought it would be better to sell the whole game in pieces ?
Or maybe you only buy your games like 3 years later, when they are in GotY/collector/legendary/deluxe/premium packs, and with -50%/-75% discount ?
Many AAA games get a 50% discount in a few months, and 75% of in under a year. Even with DLC, the only way you end up paying a huge sum of money is if you feel you have to get them at or near release, and of course if you feel you have to play everything. If you must, then you're a big fan and spending this amount of money is logical.
Post edited February 12, 2015 by ET3D
Posted February 12, 2015
This is why I can imagine GoG transitioning away from DRM-free to a Steam-like system with their "Galaxy" client in the future. They assure publishers that the goodwill generated by offering DRM-free copies of their games on GoG will lead to increased sales, publishers notice torrents like this where the leechers are unsurprisingly still leeching games, because, surprise surprise, they can. The vast majority of pirates love the whole "DRM" argument because it gives them another flimsy pretext to justify their piracy.

TL:DR - DRM or no DRM, it's irrelevant, most people will almost always leech media for free if it's easy and they're reasonably certain there will be minimal/no repercussions for their actions. The reason Steam/Origin etc. are so successful is because they offer publishers a secure platform to release their games with little fear of piracy (also, sales of course).
Posted February 12, 2015
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yellowblanka: This is why I can imagine GoG transitioning away from DRM-free to a Steam-like system with their "Galaxy" client in the future. They assure publishers that the goodwill generated by offering DRM-free copies of their games on GoG will lead to increased sales, publishers notice torrents like this where the leechers are unsurprisingly still leeching games, because, surprise surprise, they can. The vast majority of pirates love the whole "DRM" argument because it gives them another flimsy pretext to justify their piracy.

TL:DR - DRM or no DRM, it's irrelevant, most people will almost always leech media for free if it's easy and they're reasonably certain there will be minimal/no repercussions for their actions. The reason Steam/Origin etc. are so successful is because they offer publishers a secure platform to release their games with little fear of piracy (also, sales of course).
Then GOG would be no different than Steam and then all of GOG's customers will just become Steam customers. Because having to use two Steam like clients, is not very appealing to satisfy your needs as a gamer.

And it's really not a big deal that people are pirating GOGs because most of the people who pirate GOGs are the type of people who would never spend money on games because they are A) too cheap or B) they can't afford to because they don't live in a rich Western country where there are jobs available or C) they believe games should be free. I'm not justifying piracy. I'm just saying how it is. Maybe around 5% of people who pirate would start buying games if their free supply got cut off. And even if GOG decided to become like Steam to force those 5% of pirates to start buying their games, those 5% of pirates will still continue downloading pirates games because no amount of protection can stop people from releasing GOG games on the internet. If there is a will, there is a way. The best thing GOG can do is remain true to what they stand for in the eyes of the gaming world and constantly reward their loyal supporters. And of course, constantly offering new games for sale and not just new indie games.
Post edited February 12, 2015 by monkeydelarge
Posted February 12, 2015
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yellowblanka: This is why I can imagine GoG transitioning away from DRM-free to a Steam-like system with their "Galaxy" client in the future. They assure publishers that the goodwill generated by offering DRM-free copies of their games on GoG will lead to increased sales, publishers notice torrents like this where the leechers are unsurprisingly still leeching games, because, surprise surprise, they can. The vast majority of pirates love the whole "DRM" argument because it gives them another flimsy pretext to justify their piracy.

TL:DR - DRM or no DRM, it's irrelevant, most people will almost always leech media for free if it's easy and they're reasonably certain there will be minimal/no repercussions for their actions. The reason Steam/Origin etc. are so successful is because they offer publishers a secure platform to release their games with little fear of piracy (also, sales of course).
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monkeydelarge: Then GOG would be no different than Steam and then all of GOG's customers will just become Steam customers. Because having to use two Steam like clients, is not very appealing to satisfy your needs as a gamer.
I wouldn't be shocked to learn if about 50% of GoG's customers are already Steam customers. Maybe more than that. A lot of people don't necessarily see GoG as a competing service but more of a complimentary one to Steam (specifically for old games not available anywhere else).
Posted February 12, 2015
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synfresh: I wouldn't be shocked to learn if about 50% of GoG's customers are already Steam customers. Maybe more than that. A lot of people don't necessarily see GoG as a competing service but more of a complimentary one to Steam (specifically for old games not available anywhere else).
I think it's north of 85%, and regarding competition or complementarity ...well, I just think gog is just a better service.
Post edited February 12, 2015 by Potzato
Posted February 12, 2015
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monkeydelarge: Then GOG would be no different than Steam and then all of GOG's customers will just become Steam customers. Because having to use two Steam like clients, is not very appealing to satisfy your needs as a gamer.
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synfresh: I wouldn't be shocked to learn if about 50% of GoG's customers are already Steam customers. Maybe more than that. A lot of people don't necessarily see GoG as a competing service but more of a complimentary one to Steam (specifically for old games not available anywhere else).
I forgot that GOG still has a lot of old games that Steam doesn't have. But I still think GOG becoming Steam like is a bad move. Not just for people who want DRM free games but for GOG too.
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synfresh: I wouldn't be shocked to learn if about 50% of GoG's customers are already Steam customers. Maybe more than that. A lot of people don't necessarily see GoG as a competing service but more of a complimentary one to Steam (specifically for old games not available anywhere else).
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Potzato: I think it's north of 85%, and regarding competition or complementarity ...well, I just think gog is just a better service.
Yes, GOG is still superior compared to Steam for those who don't care about DRM because GOG actually cares if the games you buy run on your machine.
Post edited February 12, 2015 by monkeydelarge
Posted February 12, 2015
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monkeydelarge: Then GOG would be no different than Steam and then all of GOG's customers will just become Steam customers. Because having to use two Steam like clients, is not very appealing to satisfy your needs as a gamer.
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synfresh: I wouldn't be shocked to learn if about 50% of GoG's customers are already Steam customers. Maybe more than that. A lot of people don't necessarily see GoG as a competing service but more of a complimentary one to Steam (specifically for old games not available anywhere else).
This - while I've done a bit of AAA purchasing on GoG due to certain sales, I originally was curious about the site/created an account due its offering a storefront to purchase legitimate digital copies of older games. Unfortunately, they've strayed far away from that focus over the years preferring to focus on indie or AAA games from smaller developers, but it's encouraging that they've secured more classic titles recently.
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