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Posted October 13, 2015
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Leucius: Anyone tried Heart of Stone yet?
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thk47: Not yet, still trying to beat the main story before add DLC's or Expansion.
That's good, apparently Hearts of Stone is designed for ~Lvl 64+
Posted October 15, 2015
How many of you guys look at Polandball memes? To those that don't know its this:

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/127/594/1306522222002.png

Bascially its just a tounge n cheek was of portraying nations and international relations. There are funny images that at best just poke fun at the relations and history of certain nations like this:

http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/987732-polandball
Posted October 15, 2015
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Elmofongo: How many of you guys look at Polandball memes? To those that don't know its this:

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/127/594/1306522222002.png

Bascially its just a tounge n cheek was of portraying nations and international relations. There are funny images that at best just poke fun at the relations and history of certain nations like this:

http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/987732-polandball
Haha... Good stuff :)
Posted October 16, 2015
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Leucius: That's good, apparently Hearts of Stone is designed for ~Lvl 64+
I'm still on level 14 after 32 hours of playing but definitely I'll grab the expansion later on.
Posted October 16, 2015
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Leucius: That's good, apparently Hearts of Stone is designed for ~Lvl 64+
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thk47: I'm still on level 14 after 32 hours of playing but definitely I'll grab the expansion later on.
Wow, must be quite a lot of game to it. I've only played the intro so far, I keep getting sidetracked by lotro and DA:I.
Posted October 17, 2015
MY hermit chin-beard is now long enough to put in bunches... and probably plait too!

O_________o

*decides against checking my hermit pubes...
Posted October 17, 2015
Playing Medieval 2 Total War made me realize how un-individualistic battles are in this era.

I mean imagine yourself among hundreds of soldiers all charging at a castle and how easily anyone can get shot and killed instantly by falling arrows of archers. I mean how lucky is it a soldier did not get struck by one.

And also when hundreds of opposing soldiers clash in that charge and the ensuing brawl. I mean what are the chances you can survive a brawl like that without some guy who manages to cleave you with an ax to the back.

Looking at modern warfares of WW2 to now its less faceless soliders and more individualistic.

I mean it shows in movies when they portray warfare. I mean we see squads and even batallions with recognizable faces. Whereas movies like Braveheart and Kingdom of Heaven we never indentify with anyone of that 100 of soldiers,knights, and archers. The only recognizable face is the leader the guy making the speeches to rouse the soliders moral.

Like is there a medieval war story that follows that 1 individual solider among hundreds and how he feels during battle?
Posted October 17, 2015
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Elmofongo: Like is there a medieval war story that follows that 1 individual solider among hundreds and how he feels during battle?
Not really - unless you consider the local folklore on Robin Hood, perhaps, but that focuses more on the betrayal by the papacy than anything.

Secondly, both films you mentioned are notoriously unrealistic - as is MTW2 in terms of scale and much of its timeline.

Remember that BEFORE the black death, there was reckoned to be about 1,000,000 souls across what is now Europe (and perhaps only 100,000 after) - modern day York has half of that on a busy day. The scale is all off unless its a very major deal - so yeah, there would have been heroes, but also, most long term warriors were rather deformed (either through loss of limb or repeated use of items like the pike) and most armies were primarily militia. England bypassed this with common law - ie ALL able bodied men were to practice archery every sunday after church (and hence terms like commons sense, common tongue etc) - though it wasnt the only country to manage things in such a way.
MTW2 also bypasses technological feats - crossbows have very short range compared to bows and were not readily assigned to thieves (common folk) until the high medieval period in most of Europe due to expense.

On the other hand, its a shit-bricking good game!
Post edited October 17, 2015 by Sachys
Posted October 17, 2015
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Elmofongo: Playing Medieval 2 Total War made me realize how un-individualistic battles are in this era.

I mean imagine yourself among hundreds of soldiers all charging at a castle and how easily anyone can get shot and killed instantly by falling arrows of archers. I mean how lucky is it a soldier did not get struck by one.

And also when hundreds of opposing soldiers clash in that charge and the ensuing brawl. I mean what are the chances you can survive a brawl like that without some guy who manages to cleave you with an ax to the back.

Looking at modern warfares of WW2 to now its less faceless soliders and more individualistic.

I mean it shows in movies when they portray warfare. I mean we see squads and even batallions with recognizable faces. Whereas movies like Braveheart and Kingdom of Heaven we never indentify with anyone of that 100 of soldiers,knights, and archers. The only recognizable face is the leader the guy making the speeches to rouse the soliders moral.

Like is there a medieval war story that follows that 1 individual solider among hundreds and how he feels during battle?
The problem with your analogy is that it refers to movies, and the way that the director/script-writer wishes the story to be told.

The movies tend, of course, to focus on particular characters, otherwise it would be hard to keep track of anything, let alone weave a story from it.

EDIT: And, of course, Sachys got in first with the historical details! :-)
Post edited October 17, 2015 by blakstar
Posted October 17, 2015
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blakstar: The problem with your analogy is that it refers to movies, and the way that the director/script-writer wishes their idea of how the story should be told because they are... weird!

The movies tend, of course, to focus on particular characters, otherwise it would be hard to keep track of anything, let alone weave a story from it.

EDIT: And, of course, Sachys got in first with the historical details! :-)
And second with the fixing of your post! ;D
Posted October 17, 2015
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blakstar: The problem with your analogy is that it refers to movies, and the way that the director/script-writer wishes their idea of how the story should be told because they are... weird!

The movies tend, of course, to focus on particular characters, otherwise it would be hard to keep track of anything, let alone weave a story from it.

EDIT: And, of course, Sachys got in first with the historical details! :-)
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Sachys: And second with the fixing of your post! ;D
Heheh... Not really fixing... Never said that the director/script-writer were actually being *correct* about it! :-P
Posted October 17, 2015
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Elmofongo: Playing Medieval 2 Total War made me realize how un-individualistic battles are in this era.
I do agree with this statement though - it was all in service to those "born on high with divine right" - which in many ways, modern warfare can also still be attributed - though with the internet and modern media propagandisation of events, people feel / seem like less of a number.
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Sachys: And second with the fixing of your post! ;D
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blakstar: Heheh... Not really fixing... Never said that the director/script-writer were actually being *correct* about it! :-P
RIDLEY SCOTT IS INSANE!!!

...I actually think thats true - think his brother was the sane one before his incident.
Post edited October 17, 2015 by Sachys
Posted October 17, 2015
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Elmofongo: Playing Medieval 2 Total War made me realize how un-individualistic battles are in this era.
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Sachys: I do agree with this statement though - it was all in service to those "born on high with divine right" - which in many ways, modern warfare can also still be attributed - though with the internet and modern media propagandisation of events, people feel / seem like less of a number.
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blakstar: Heheh... Not really fixing... Never said that the director/script-writer were actually being *correct* about it! :-P
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Sachys: RIDLEY SCOTT IS INSANE!!!

...I actually think thats true - think his brother was the sane one before his incident.
Have to say, given the examples above, Braveheart was only really trying to focus on one character anyway, never mind the associated hordes, or even anything remotely approaching historical accuracy. :-D

Must admit, though, that I'm looking forward to The Last Kingdom, and hope that the TV version isn't totally ruined, as I quite like the books.

EDIT: And just to clarify, yes, I know Braveheart wasn't a Ridley Scott movie.
Post edited October 17, 2015 by blakstar
Posted October 17, 2015
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blakstar: EDOT: And just to clarify, yes, I know Braveheart wasn't a Ridley Scott movie.
Nope - it was a Mel Gibson movie and made at the height of his insanity / blooteredness (just highlighting my point). It may have focused on Wallace storywise, but alos shifted the real history from his companions to the character - an inverse of Elmos initial statement I suppose. Without those that stood by him, Wallace wouldnt have got anywhere. Suppose the film tries that a little, but it kinda fails.

Still a great silly "epic" to watch with some beer though!
I mean, for all its flaws I love Kingdom of Heaven - its just tosh on any kind of accuracy, but so is Robert E Howerds idea of Conan being some "dark ages" warrior. Doesnt stop it being fun! :)

Now... TO THE BEER!!!
Posted October 17, 2015
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Elmofongo: Like is there a medieval war story that follows that 1 individual solider among hundreds and how he feels during battle?
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Sachys: Not really - unless you consider the local folklore on Robin Hood, perhaps, but that focuses more on the betrayal by the papacy than anything.

Secondly, both films you mentioned are notoriously unrealistic - as is MTW2 in terms of scale and much of its timeline.

Remember that BEFORE the black death, there was reckoned to be about 1,000,000 souls across what is now Europe (and perhaps only 100,000 after) - modern day York has half of that on a busy day. The scale is all off unless its a very major deal - so yeah, there would have been heroes, but also, most long term warriors were rather deformed (either through loss of limb or repeated use of items like the pike) and most armies were primarily militia. England bypassed this with common law - ie ALL able bodied men were to practice archery every sunday after church (and hence terms like commons sense, common tongue etc) - though it wasnt the only country to manage things in such a way.
MTW2 also bypasses technological feats - crossbows have very short range compared to bows and were not readily assigned to thieves (common folk) until the high medieval period in most of Europe due to expense.

On the other hand, its a shit-bricking good game!
1. If you think Braveheart and Kingdom of Heaven are unrealistic portrayels of their battles than don't get me started on the Battles in Lord of the Rings I mean why did so many Uruk-Hai brought Pike Spears, which is typically used against mounted calvary, to a siege of the Fortress of Helm's Deep?

2. Yeah thats one of the things that dissipointed me is that we can only have so few units to use. I mean at best the largest you can get is 1500 soldiers by using 1 type of unit that has 75 soliders. And not only that I hate that I cannot make catapults hurl the rocks over the walls to flatten whatever soliders are behind it. And the settlements feels limiting to where I can position soldiers before starting the battles.
Post edited October 17, 2015 by Elmofongo
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