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So I must admit. I was never fully got into WWE as kid in the 1990s. Oh I have played that one Nintendo 64 game and bought 1 toy one time but that was it ever since I never looked at it again, but I did not forgot the WWE existed.

Anyways. Lately I look at some classic matches and I just cannot take it seriously because I know its fake. All the attacks are choreographed and scripted and fixed. There is no blood in the WWE.

Its obviously because as of late I have been spoiled by professional boxing, that is REAL, the blood real painful blood, the fighting is real. These boxers are warriors. WWE wrestlers are just dancers.

But I to know why WWE sells to alot of people. Its the presentation, that its times like this I wish this was in Boxing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L25OLvFonj8

You rarely see things like that in Boxing.
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Elmofongo: Anyways. Lately I look at some classic matches and I just cannot take it seriously because I know its fake. All the attacks are choreographed and scripted and fixed. There is no blood in the WWE.
You're confusing the modern (entirely a spectacle) WWE for the old WWF (when there was still an amount of reality to it). If you check the mid 1980s era matches, there was a good deal more fight involved - regardless of the fact stage props and storylines were used for drama and showmanship. There were even actual matches back then.

It was the 1990s when things really began to sway heavily towards / evolve into what you now know as WWE.

However, having fought the former world champion myself... I can tell you that regardless of how well trained you have to be to put on such a show in the ring... its not much use outside of it.

That aside - boxing isnt too different in many respects. Unless you've ever seen some real bare knuckle matchesclose up, you havent seen boxing.
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Elmofongo:
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Sachys: However, having fought the former world champion myself...
I sense a good story grabs and chair to listen. I remember when they used to allow chars as weapons in WWF or WCW...
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Elmofongo: So I must admit. I was never fully got into WWE as kid in the 1990s. Oh I have played that one Nintendo 64 game and bought 1 toy one time but that was it ever since I never looked at it again, but I did not forgot the WWE existed.

Anyways. Lately I look at some classic matches and I just cannot take it seriously because I know its fake. All the attacks are choreographed and scripted and fixed. There is no blood in the WWE.

Its obviously because as of late I have been spoiled by professional boxing, that is REAL, the blood real painful blood, the fighting is real. These boxers are warriors. WWE wrestlers are just dancers.

But I to know why WWE sells to alot of people. Its the presentation, that its times like this I wish this was in Boxing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L25OLvFonj8

You rarely see things like that in Boxing.
99% of the people who watch wrestling know it's fake, nobody is honestly claiming it's a real "sport". With that in mind, wrestling shouldn't be compared to boxing or other "fight sports", wrestling is and always has been more of a drama, live theater f you will. You don't go to see the matches themselves, you go to see the story told in the matches, you go to see the characters, you go to see the spectacle, it's live theatre with audience participation.

WWE isn't ALL wrestling, every company has its own style and WWE itself has gone through many phases, it just happens to be back in "family friendly" territory these days.

Take for example ECW, the ORIGINAL ECW, not the carcass that WWE drug out from who knows where in the 2000s. ECW was extreme, the "Attitude Era" before the Attitude Era took place. Wrestlers swore in promos, guys had tattoos, use of weapons was commonplace and the stories pushed the envelope beyond "I wanna beat you up because I'm a bad guy and no other reason!". In one notorious moment Raven crucified The Sandman, complete with a crown made of barbed wire. Fearing a full scale riot, management had to send Raven back out to apologize.

Or look at WCW in the mid/late 90s. Their biggest storyline was an invasion storyline, the formation of the NWO who were out to destroy WCW from the inside out. One man had the power to truly stand against them, Sting. Sting went from a blonde buzz cut with loud color tights to a look heavily inspired by The Crow, his 80s-esque metal theme replaced by a brooding orchestral piece. Coming down from the rafters he would fight the NWO with only the aid of his baseball bat. Once the heart and soul centerpiece of WCW, he became the tortured outsider. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7A1gZLASW8

Again, the stories, characters, feuds are why wrestling is watched, not the wrestling itself. It's dramatic theatre and when done right, it can be pretty darn good.

As a side note, wrestling HURTS. Yes, the punches are usually pulled a bit and the moves are designed to help you land flat, but it still HURTS and injuries are extremely commonplace. When a wrestler gets injured they usually have to work through it as long as it's not a major injury, lest they lose their spot on the card. A LOT of wrestlers in their 40s move like they're in their 70s when a camera isn't on them.
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Elmofongo: So I must admit. I was never fully got into WWE as kid in the 1990s. Oh I have played that one Nintendo 64 game and bought 1 toy one time but that was it ever since I never looked at it again, but I did not forgot the WWE existed.

Anyways. Lately I look at some classic matches and I just cannot take it seriously because I know its fake. All the attacks are choreographed and scripted and fixed. There is no blood in the WWE.

Its obviously because as of late I have been spoiled by professional boxing, that is REAL, the blood real painful blood, the fighting is real. These boxers are warriors. WWE wrestlers are just dancers.

But I to know why WWE sells to alot of people. Its the presentation, that its times like this I wish this was in Boxing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L25OLvFonj8

You rarely see things like that in Boxing.
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NoNewTaleToTell: 99% of the people who watch wrestling know it's fake, nobody is honestly claiming it's a real "sport". With that in mind, wrestling shouldn't be compared to boxing or other "fight sports", wrestling is and always has been more of a drama, live theater f you will. You don't go to see the matches themselves, you go to see the story told in the matches, you go to see the characters, you go to see the spectacle, it's live theatre with audience participation.

WWE isn't ALL wrestling, every company has its own style and WWE itself has gone through many phases, it just happens to be back in "family friendly" territory these days.

Take for example ECW, the ORIGINAL ECW, not the carcass that WWE drug out from who knows where in the 2000s. ECW was extreme, the "Attitude Era" before the Attitude Era took place. Wrestlers swore in promos, guys had tattoos, use of weapons was commonplace and the stories pushed the envelope beyond "I wanna beat you up because I'm a bad guy and no other reason!". In one notorious moment Raven crucified The Sandman, complete with a crown made of barbed wire. Fearing a full scale riot, management had to send Raven back out to apologize.

Or look at WCW in the mid/late 90s. Their biggest storyline was an invasion storyline, the formation of the NWO who were out to destroy WCW from the inside out. One man had the power to truly stand against them, Sting. Sting went from a blonde buzz cut with loud color tights to a look heavily inspired by The Crow, his 80s-esque metal theme replaced by a brooding orchestral piece. Coming down from the rafters he would fight the NWO with only the aid of his baseball bat. Once the heart and soul centerpiece of WCW, he became the tortured outsider. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7A1gZLASW8

Again, the stories, characters, feuds are why wrestling is watched, not the wrestling itself. It's dramatic theatre and when done right, it can be pretty darn good.

As a side note, wrestling HURTS. Yes, the punches are usually pulled a bit and the moves are designed to help you land flat, but it still HURTS and injuries are extremely commonplace. When a wrestler gets injured they usually have to work through it as long as it's not a major injury, lest they lose their spot on the card. A LOT of wrestlers in their 40s move like they're in their 70s when a camera isn't on them.
I have seen Macho Man elbowed a guy on the floor while he jumped from the poles.
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Elmofongo: Anyways. Lately I look at some classic matches and I just cannot take it seriously because I know its fake. All the attacks are choreographed and scripted and fixed. There is no blood in the WWE.
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Sachys: You're confusing the modern (entirely a spectacle) WWE for the old WWF (when there was still an amount of reality to it). If you check the mid 1980s era matches, there was a good deal more fight involved - regardless of the fact stage props and storylines were used for drama and showmanship. There were even actual matches back then.

It was the 1990s when things really began to sway heavily towards / evolve into what you now know as WWE.

However, having fought the former world champion myself... I can tell you that regardless of how well trained you have to be to put on such a show in the ring... its not much use outside of it.

That aside - boxing isnt too different in many respects. Unless you've ever seen some real bare knuckle matchesclose up, you havent seen boxing.
Speaking of WWE, Hulk Hogan is in trouble right now.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3173493/Hulk-Hogan-scrubbed-WWE-websites-amid-reports-audio-tape-launching-racist-tirade.html
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Elmofongo:
Aye so I've seen. Wouldn't surprise me if it was true.
disappointing to see the Ninja 2.0 thread still being used. =/
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Elmofongo:
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Sachys: Aye so I've seen. Wouldn't surprise me if it was true.
Correction I realized he is in trouble for something that happend 8 years ago and has since admitted regret.

But it looks like we will get another Mel Gibson case on our hands. (Please make another movie with the production values of Braveheart, Passion of the Christ, and Apocalypto please Gibson)
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Sachys: However, having fought the former world champion myself...
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cecil: I sense a good story grabs and chair to listen. I remember when they used to allow chars as weapons in WWF or WCW...
*brings some beer and grabs another chair
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DeMignon: ... and grabs another chair
hmm ...

as a weapon or just to sit on it?
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BillyMaysFan59: disappointing to see the Ninja 2.0 thread still being used. =/
Indeed
The combined novellas and board game project I did some work on a few years back has finally been released!

Norilsk Incident is available in both English and Spanish and takes influence from the likes of Roadside Picnic and the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. games among other things.

Thing is, what might interest you lot is that theres a code breaking type competition - and a $1,000 USD prize.

Have a looksee!

http://youtu.be/T0w5F41vVPo
That intertwining novel idea is intriguing.
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BillyMaysFan59: disappointing to see the Ninja 2.0 thread still being used. =/
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foxworks: Indeed
People think they are helping with Ninja gift thread even though it is the furthest from helping... Also some people don't care about others and are just selfish. I wonder what % of the ninja thread is already used keys before they are posted?