It is generally understood that during their investigations Jordan Owen and David Aurini will be canvasing a broad spectrum of people and opinions - ergo, not everyone is going to like all the different views people are going to have the opportunity to express in this documentary.

I tried reading up on the thing and its seems pointless. So here goes : what is gamergate? I've been trying to avoid it since people taking shots at games make me angry, but I don't want to not know what it is. So, anyone? XD

Check gamergate.me, click aptly named What is Gamergate? Under Gamergate 'tab'.
Remember this is obviously one sided, the other side claiming gamergate is an harassment campaign or misogynist hate group.

Protip : It is possible to hear what someone has to say without accepting it, just as it is possible to agree with an opinion from a source one does not like.

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it"

- Aristotle (apparently. It's attributed to him, but it doesn't show up in his works)

Are you saying ESRB is a bad thing?

So my Uni had a debate about #GamerGate today... or rather it was a full anti-gamergate SJW explanation of the problem, without any nuances... And they are surprised #GamerGaters are aggressive and feels marginalized ?

The worse part was when they labeled the movement, even simplifying that "gamers" are the bad conservative people playing video games that are a bunch of evil misogynists harassers. I tried to refute in a polite and sensitive way, acknowledging the issues of harassment but also trying to bring proofs that the movement wasn't all about that, only stating they didn't made enough researches and didn't brought the issue in more neutral light, mentioned they didn't talked about the valid concerns about corruption of game journalism. Guess what ? They completely dismissed the criticism and changed subject without bothering to answer.

I used to be on fence, now I think I'm not anymore, I'm pissed and I stand with #GamerGate, and against censorship.

I think it's not just censorship that's the problem, it's that a lot of people are using this as an excuse to be bullies because it gives them power. Geeks and Nerds are just universally 'acceptable' targets because of...you know I don't even know, but I'm sure someone can tell me at this point. I'm guessing it has something to do with this magical word called privilege that no one bothers to define.

It sucks that you had to be put in that position though, it's fairly awful.

I'd for one like it if people actually LOOKED at the damn thing, seriously I could count on one hand how many people would listen, and I'd STILL have enough fingers to actually do something useful. Former Gamestop employee who had too many parents give that defeated look about how they couldn't stop their children from playing it.

Remember when we were all like "Nathan Grayson is in Depression Quest's credits" and other people were like "lalalala can't hear you it probably means nothing it happens all the time for no reason"? Someone went out and actually proved it wasn't a coincidence and that they were friends well before that:

https://archive.today/FddAO

Good luck explaining away that one.

Perhaps that's why the Swedes have such a vibrant metal scene... As left-wing ideology strangles the human spirit, more and more people literally scream out in anger and agony. ;)

\m/ \m/

As if you don't know it... they'll shift the goalposts. They already have in fact. How many times have you seen: "journalists need to be close to their sources"? There is also the privacy 'abuse' angle. And of course the point this does not actually prove unethical actions, only implied conflicts of interest.

Embedded journalism is the norm in certain areas. It is inherently ethically suspect. War reporting would be the obvious comparison for anyone seriously interested. And it's outright unethical if you wish to interpret embedded literally...

I don't think it's the world ending censorship board that many gamers thought it would be, but no, I'm not a fan. The ESRB was just a way for control freaks to get their foot in the door. It was just a baby step forward. When engaging the public in acts of deception in order to gain power, the best method is to be slow and methodical.

People are always looking for the knockout blow... they rarely pay attention to the well choreographed combo. Same strategy many use while fighting noobs in Mortal Kombat. You can find a lot of crazy life lessons buried in video games. You just have to know where to look.

The worse part was that it was a debate presented by an indie developer with a lot of other "gamers" in the room.


Do you realize you can be a leftist and metalhead and not approve all their censorship and political correctness crap ?

Not sure if this was posted here yet; it's a few weeks old, but I just bumped into it tonight:

Online Harassment Affects Men Too by Cathy Young
http://time.com/3546044/online-harassment-affects-men-too/

Very good article that challenges "the familiar narrative of women in jeopardy" on the Internet and uses actual data (shocking!) to show that men are harassed online, too. Talks about the issue as it relates to video games including a great bit comparing harassment of Sarkeesian and Thompson. Check out her other pieces, too, such as her write-up of #ShirtStorm.

I'm developing some respect for TIME for giving space to intelligent, well-spoken women like Cathy Young and Christina Hoff Sommers who challenge radical feminist ideology.

Of course I've seen several absurd feminist comments to the effect that "TIME is choosing to side against women" by publishing these WOMEN's views. The outright hypocrisy of that kind of position (categorically denying the validity of other women's differing views) and the overt, shameless push for censorship are appalling.

I personally doubt that any philosophy that espouses coercion of peaceful people beyond the minimum necessary for a stable government and rule of law (a minarchy, and even that might be achieved by largely voluntary means) can be reconciled with libertarianism, but I've encountered a few "left-leaning" libertarians recently, and so yes, I'm trying to be more open... But it's tough with all the bullshit coming from the left lately.

No, that is clearly merely just a professional relationship...
To be really fair, throw a sexist label on the game and all the kids will buy it to find out why. I remember when Rap was a fairly new thing and recall talking to someone about how one figured out which albums were good. The answer was the ones that had the explicit lyrics tag.