I do love capitalizing the D. That is why I always pay when I suck it.

Humble Bundle Start Selling LGBTQ Pride Bundle
https://www.humblebundle.com/books/lgbtq-book-bundle

Will we be seeing Fat Pride, Black Pride, Feminist Pride soon?

What are the odds of seeing White pride or Male pride?

probably, those would be "brave" & "empowering" Nah, I don't think they'd want "Hate speech". even if they were flipped versions of above like Meninism* is to Feminism.



*: Meninism is a gender-flipped parody of Feminism

She hates capitalizing the D, but she loves the D nonetheless, amiright?

Anything with gender identity LBTQABCDZ issues and gender less androgynous characters?

DANGITALL, now I know

i'm ruined now, sammiches are going to be reviled by my presence.







;P

And the UK wants to "review" "sexism" too. https://archive.is/gjhiz

The best part of the article is the comment on the screenshot "Two women, dressed as characters from the Streetfighter videogame play the game in Cologne, Germany August 5, 2015. Sexism is a pressing issue in the games world. " Oh yeah, I'm sure it was some patriarchy issued high grade sexism that forced those poor women to have fun playing games while cosplaying.

Faith in humanity...............

Now, after all this time I have grown fond of many of you and find the opinions of most of you relevant or at least of my interest so I would like to know your opinion on something (I am going to make this same question in another forum).

What is your opinion on e-sports?

If you ask me I find the whole idea unsettling because I have seen the nest of corruption professional sports became. You know, the amount of corruption in the FIFA world cup for example.

I also feel revolted by the use of sponsors. I have no problem with sports brands providing resources for players and therefore putting their names on the shirt tags and things like that, but once the brand is more notable than the team's colors or symbol then something is wrong. And you can see that in many sports teams nowadays with a brand logo in each shoulder and on both front and back of the shirt obscuring the team logo and sometimes even the player number. I would not like to see that in gaming anymore.

And the worst part is something my friend who is a sports fan hates the most. The lack of fun, love and passion. Once you stop playing because you enjoy it and you only play to win and be rich and famous then there is no point in playing. And that is something you can see more and more in e-sports players. Some Asian dude who plays a MOBA and does not even like the game, does not know the lore, and does not care about all the fun aspects of the game, only winning the championship and earning bucks.

I would rather have no pay for enjoying a game than getting paid for playing a game I don't care about. It also happens in TCGs such as Magic: The Gathering and Yu-Gi-Oh!, and I also hate it there since I play those games, but I believe gaming can still be saved from that "No fun, only victory matters, template based gameplay" mindset that infected TCGs, while TCGs, or at least MTG can't be saved from that (Thank you Star City Games, you corrupted sponsor).

For that reason I hate the concept of e-sports and "professional gamers" and actually feel there is no honor in gaming championships if you don't have fun.

I would like to hear your opinion on that.

it's a distinct possibility that you'll see the heavy advertising on the coat of politicians here in the US at some point in the future.

Just my opinion, but once its reached a certain mass of viewers that it becomes very profitable, the pursuit of fun will be secondary. I'm a real big fan of community tournaments with small prizes and less corporate montization and sponsorship. They're fun to watch and you often know the competitors fro mthe game's forums, which is really cool. Professional esports though, will have to be like that since the money being exchanged is big and cold contracts are the only capable enforcers.

I don't think sponsorship by anyone is bad from the get go, and will help to fund prizes and venue fees. But the problem of corruption is there at everything which makes a lot of money and not just sports or esports so I think it should be allowed to happen as long players and viewers make an effort in the early stages of a game evloving into an esport to decide how much they're willing to accept. Something that is already ''corporatised'' cannot be reversed so the players, viewers and tournament organizers should try to support only to the level of corporate interference as they're willing to take, if that is their true goal. Often its the publishers themselves that push their game into corporate team tournaments and make it like that. Blizzard tried to do this with Heroes of the storm for example.

As long as they take care to separate it from the monied interests, it can be much better than sports.

Unfortunately if they like money more than morals, it will likely be every bit as bad as sports in a few years :(

That is exactly my concern.

Since you asked... maybe this will give you some food for thought.

My opinion is your opinion is somewhat elitist. :) Only your elite is defined by the honor of fun and passion in playing. Fun and passion being left implicitly defined mainly via exclusion of economic motives / influences. Some people are passionate about winning and find making lots of money fun you know?

Also, I suspect you are slightly paranoid - by which I mean some of your fears / aversions are not actually grounded in reality. For example, FIFA corruption is at organizing layers. The players and the matches are mostly corruption free.

You therefore are conflating two kinds of corruption, although they are both economic. The first is the actual corruption, of bribes and throwing games, maybe even doping. Other than FIFA you don't really offer examples. they exist of course, but it's interesting you focus more on the other corruption.

The second is a kind of corruption of the soul, caused as you point out, by economic interests interfering with other interests (for you honor, fun, passion). This leads to valuing victory over just playing, to doping potentially, certainly to most of what you describe.

The thing with this second one and why it is elitist. For one, the conception of sportmanship that you admire is fairly old. The Olympic games are supposed to be paragons of such. The common distinction between professional and amateur sports also touches on similar distinctions - do you get paid or not?

Fundamentally, instead of using economic facts to differentiate sport categories, you would rather use a sort of ideological purity test. It's like instead of skill and results (measured by victories very directly) you would prefer to look at a kind of inherent marxist value - how much effort (defined in that passion and fun and honor you like) is someone bringing to the table? Instead of professional paid sportsmen you would likely hold children as the purer examples of uncorrupted play. See what I did there? Uncorrupted PLAY. Sport is a form of playing, more competitive and skill based. Professional sport adds economic rewards. Neither the money, nor the competitiveness, nor the skill is necessarily corrupting. Unless your own ethical system so defines it.

Now, this is not my opinion on e-sports, it was rather my opinion on the way you framed the topic.

I think what I would like to tell you is: you can still find the kind of playing you want. You just need to choose who you play with more carefully. All the people playing for different reasons can't ruin anything you do. Focus on what is under your control.