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Rusty_Gunn: Months? it could have "over" before GG began. but some seem so myopic they don't even have 20/20 hindsight
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WBGhiro: That too, but I mean it's not like GG has had any real objectives these last months, I mean there's the occasional complaning about censored games like FE:Fates , or the rejoicing at the Hulkster kicking gawker's shit in. but overall GG is just scraping by salt mining right now. If SJWs stopped poking the sleeping giant to check if it's still alive for just a fucking second, the thing would dissolve and it would take something big to get it going again.
Indeed. If they decided to no longer messing with us we would only respond to big tings. I guess the butchering of FE was big enough. At least it is for me as a translator. I mean, one of the translators bragged about not knowing enough Japanese to translate.
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Shadowstalker16: If you're looking forward to the new BG DLC; here's some reasons not to : http://archive.is/Lwu6p
They say "If people don’t like that, then too bad.”

Now

Hi everyone. I usually spend most of my time lurking here, but I'd like to ask a favour. It appears that having a transgendered cleric and a joke line by Minsc has greatly offended the sensibilities of some people. This has spurred these people into action, causing them to decide this is the worst game of all time and give it a zero review score on Steam, GoG and meta critic. Now, I'd like to ask for that favour. If you are playing the game and having a good time, please consider posting a positive review to balance out the loud minority which is currently painting a dark picture for new players.

Thank you.
-Trent


https://archive.is/vK2cv
Post edited April 04, 2016 by Gnostic
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That was an intense thread. Asking for positive reviews from those who are enjoying the game isn't particularly shady behavior, though. Still a bad idea because of how it looks, but you know. Referring to the offended as some kind of nebulous "those people" as though they couldn't possibly be any of the upstanding people there bothered me more than that, honestly, though I'm probably just nitpicking because I've hated Beamdog getting a hold of BG since it happened. It's sacrilege to inject glorified fan fiction into something that's already complete.

Watching the whole thing unfold is surreal, though—people who were most likely among those having a fit about the removed backer poem in Pillars of Eternity are now saying that having some of this stuff should be removed. Where's the consistency? Sure, having an old favorite character regurgitate a meme that was designed to imply that ethics was a smokescreen for harassment is a low blow, but it's their game and they absolutely have the right to fill it with whatever they want. At the same time, I don't think they have any right to complain about the subsequent barrage of negativity. You don't needlessly antagonize people and then get to cry when they're upset about it.

I guess I'm finding it easy to be annoyed by both sides here, though I'm definitely leaning anti-Beamdog, if only because it brings me no small amount of joy knowing that this could potentially keep them from making Baldur's Gate 3. I just wish others could express themselves a bit better rather than indulging in frothy-mouthed internet rage and conspiratorial generalizations about sinister agenda-pushing as though some kind of gay illuminati was pulling the strings.

(Though something I just noticed that's absolutely worth oodles of rage is that Trent refers to GOG as GoG. So wrong.)
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227:
To me it looks like some are applying the anti's proven strategies (let's "scorch some earth" :( ) & I'm torn just a wee bit. On one hand it should show the SJW's what it feels when their game devs get mobbed, But GG should really be better than this by a long shot.

Note: While I have no drive to buy the DLC, the only place I've talked about is in this thread, I have not contacted anyone at Beamdog or posted on any other forum or any social media about it.
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227: That was an intense thread. Asking for positive reviews from those who are enjoying the game isn't particularly shady behavior, though. Still a bad idea because of how it looks, but you know. Referring to the offended as some kind of nebulous "those people" as though they couldn't possibly be any of the upstanding people there bothered me more than that, honestly, though I'm probably just nitpicking because I've hated Beamdog getting a hold of BG since it happened. It's sacrilege to inject glorified fan fiction into something that's already complete.

Watching the whole thing unfold is surreal, though—people who were most likely among those having a fit about the removed backer poem in Pillars of Eternity are now saying that having some of this stuff should be removed. Where's the consistency? Sure, having an old favorite character regurgitate a meme that was designed to imply that ethics was a smokescreen for harassment is a low blow, but it's their game and they absolutely have the right to fill it with whatever they want. At the same time, I don't think they have any right to complain about the subsequent barrage of negativity. You don't needlessly antagonize people and then get to cry when they're upset about it.

I guess I'm finding it easy to be annoyed by both sides here, though I'm definitely leaning anti-Beamdog, if only because it brings me no small amount of joy knowing that this could potentially keep them from making Baldur's Gate 3. I just wish others could express themselves a bit better rather than indulging in frothy-mouthed internet rage and conspiratorial generalizations about sinister agenda-pushing as though some kind of gay illuminati was pulling the strings.

(Though something I just noticed that's absolutely worth oodles of rage is that Trent refers to GOG as GoG. So wrong.)
Beamdog immediately changing its stance from "IF THEY DON'T LIKE IT, THEN TOO BAD" to "PLEASE POST POSITIVELY" the very instant things may appear to start going south for them is hypocritical and self-serving to the extreme.

Spamming review sites/sections with 'zero' scores in order to skew global critic scores won't accomplish a goddamned thing and is equally childish within itself. But yet the sheer amount of open contempt Beamdog have shown for their own customer base (which, apparently, they don't even need - except they do) almost makes me feel a bit of sympathy for those they've scorned.

Almost.

I mean, there are clearly more effective (not to mention less sketchy and hypocritical) ways of voicing your opinion/disapproval.


(Let's just hope Beamdog don't secure the rights to other beloved IPs in the near future)
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Rusty_Gunn: To me it looks like some are applying the anti's proven strategies (let's "scorch some earth" :( ) & I'm torn just a wee bit. On one hand it should show the SJW's what it feels when their game devs get mobbed, But GG should really be better than this by a long shot.
Yeah, it's easy to write it off as poetic justice (especially when the game's defenders show up to call other people children, make baseless assumptions about their politics, and act like gaming as a whole isn't taken seriously because of such blowups—I can't help but find these people to be the living embodiment of fingernails on a chalkboard), but indulging in the same tactics one decries means giving up the moral high ground. Then all that's left is two groups of extremists fighting in the mud.

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rcartledge1989: (Let's just hope Beamdog don't secure the rights to other beloved IPs in the near future)
If they were to obtain the rights to something like Arcanum, I would explode into human confetti and probably take out a neighborhood in the process. Do you hear me, Beamdog? Do. Not. Touch. My. Precious.
This whole thing has gone completely out of control...
Referencing GG, stupid unfunny memes, obviously shoehorned SJ concepts, all of that in a BG game. What were Beamdog thinking...
Post edited April 04, 2016 by DadouXIII
Just wondering, from where comes the inference that this is a "GG campaign" and not a load of people who are angry about a bad move from Beamdog(reviews), a buggy game, bad writing and the admitted intention of the writer to push SJW interests in the expansion of a more than 20 year old D&D game(those are the points I picked up in the Beamdog forum)?
Post edited April 04, 2016 by MaGo72
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DadouXIII: This whole thing has gone completely out of control...
Referencing GG, stupid unfunny memes, obviously shoehorned SJ concepts, all of that in a BG game. What were Beamdog thinking...
I guess next we'll hear about how George Washington wore his wife's undergarments under his uniform as he strolled into battle. Slavery, crossdressing, and wooden teeth. The whole world has gone berserk.

Revisionism. It's an odd thing. Now if you excuse me, I have a river to cross. I hope I don't get my hose wet.
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MaGo72: Just wondering, from where comes the inference that this is a "GG campaign" and not a load of people who are angry about a bad move from Beamdog(reviews), a buggy game, bad writing and the admitted intention of the writer to push SJW interests in the expansion of a more than 20 year old D&D game(those are the points I picked up in the Beamdog forum)?
Its was discussed on KiA. That is all. Leave it up to ''journalists'' to fill in the gaps.
Are there any actual reviews of this expansion? I'd like to see for my self whether it's any good or not, without having to buy it. I mean, if it's just those two lines everyone got angry about, then OK maybe people are going a little overboard. But if the game isn't any good as well, then I guess it's probably justified.
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Nothing scream ethics in games journalism like trying to censor a game for the unforgivable crime of having a trans character, a joke about Gamer's Gate, and politics to the left of Trump.

Go fuck yourself Gamer's Gate. I take shits that are more ethical than you.
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galexman: Are there any actual reviews of this expansion? I'd like to see for my self whether it's any good or not, without having to buy it. I mean, if it's just those two lines everyone got angry about, then OK maybe people are going a little overboard. But if the game isn't any good as well, then I guess it's probably justified.
There's a review from a transgender women. Wytchblade.

This 'product' has many problems and people have properly divulged them but I wanted to add in my voice, being a transgender woman myself. That character they added is atrocious and apparently the "writers" have never even met a sane trans-woman.

They seem to think for us, our gender/sexuality is ALL we have, all that we are. It's understandable that people would despise such a poorly written character, but I fear it will only help to reflect badly on people who really have this condition and struggle with it continuously.

Furthermore, being trans is hardly as much fun as they seem to believe, and I really wish I would not have to deal with this nonsense in a game like that. When I enter a fantasy world I can play a real born woman, which is what I want to be, and not deal with my past. Neither should anyone else when they play games to unwind and have fun. It's easy to understand why this stuff causes some people discomfort, heck, it even does, to myself in a way. I just.. have no words.

While feigning to be progressive, tolerant, and understanding, people like these who ruin good old games in such a way are in truth, the most ignorant lot of them all. Avoid this. Avoid it like it's full of syphilis and make the creators learn that no one wants to be lectured by imbeciles.

And another review from a gay. darthzashley

More pertinent to me than any SJW themes themselves is that it genuinely appears that they outsourced the writing of this expansion to the internet. The dialogue has the wit and nuance of the average Disqus comment section, which causes all of the virtue signaling to look incredibly shallow and ham-fisted, included for the sole purpose of being able to say that they included it. I don't feel like you could actually put less effort into this.

As an actual gay person (who considers themselves to have an identity beyond 'being gay'), I honestly think it's kind of patronizing. Their 'inclusiveness' is the gaming equivalent of one of those obnoxious facebook morality memes (you know the ones: "Like and Share if you think solving world hunger is important, IGNORE IF YOU WANT MILLIONS OF CHILDREN TO STARVE TO DEATH"). Some people will complain about this stuff no matter what. People objected to 'Pray the Gay Away: Dragon Age Edition' as an entire character arc in Dragon Age: Inquisition, but I thought it was worked into the narrative fairly well, had quality dialogue and delivery, and as a result was able to display real gravitas. There is nothing of that here. You will find more moving dialogue following an absolutely random person on twitter.

On top of that, this expansion breaks several mods, the multiplayer is currently unplayable, the graphics with the upgrade are (absurdly) WORSE than the graphics of the original (and consider this: a child born at the launch of Baldur's Gate is currently graduating high school...so that's a real accomplishment), and several characters from the original game have become utterly milquetoast, because a female character having any personality trait or characteristic other than 'empowered' (subtrait: 'sassy') is now considered to be sexist.

Terrible cash grab of an expansion to Baldur's Gate, terrible game in its own right. I honestly struggle to find anything redeeming in it at all.
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thegoatgod_pan: Nothing scream ethics in games journalism like trying to censor a game for the unforgivable crime of having a trans character, a joke about Gamer's Gate, and politics to the left of Trump.

Go fuck yourself Gamer's Gate. I take shits that are more ethical than you.
No one tries to censor anything, the people who are reviewing the game or give them bad scores express that they do not like the SJW themes, that it has bugs, that they do not like this or that. And as you see above and in the Beamdog forum many also complain about the writing as a whole.

Honestly that was one of my main questions, if the writing is on par with the classics. I for myself will not buy Dragonspear or support Beamdog anymore.

Furthermore it was not most subtle move to ask in their forums for people to counter the reviews which Beamdog does not like.

And to the guy downvoting me, hell you can do more than 5 points a day.
Post edited April 05, 2016 by MaGo72
I'm never sure how to enter conversations about Gamergate because I've never understood what the core argument is supposed to be. Every source I read says GG is about ethics in games journalism, but all I ever hear Gators talking about is their bottomless hatred for poorly-executed "inclusive" writing in video games. Is that basically all that GG represents? Anti-PC sentiment in the gaming community?