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A peado apologist, cam model that shits on their audience is exactly what Nintendo needs for their family friendly image and customers ???
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Spectre: A peado apologist, cam model that shits on their audience is exactly what Nintendo needs for their family friendly image and customers ???
Its really more complex than that. There were many other factors at play, and no one can agree on what role the different participants had played.
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Klumpen0815: Do you mean these?
, [url=http://heavy.com/tech/2016/03/alison-rapp-photos-pictures-twitter-facebook-instagram-gamergate-fired-statement/9]2, 3

Maybe they were more concerned about these:
, [url=http://heavy.com/tech/2016/03/alison-rapp-photos-pictures-twitter-facebook-instagram-gamergate-fired-statement/5]2, 3

It's something Disney would be upset about and Nintendo is somewhat in the same ballpark.
I think Disney would have acted a bit more smartly, in terms of reaction. A stern warning to her, a public statement, and nobody would have to lose their job while a lawyer aims a (metaphorical) shotgun at the entire GamerGate issue, due to being an equal rights company.

Before you ask: No, Nintendo isn't an equal rights company in any capacity, and I point to Metroid: Other M as all the evidence I need.
Post edited March 31, 2016 by Darvond
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Shadowstalker16: She had a campaign ran against her on twitter, probably because of her ''support'' of pedophilia (but all evidence seems to points out that she was just in favor of less penalties for CP possession and also some kind of teen sexuality supporter; which is very moderate considering the pedo advocates out there). It was started by the Wayne Foundation and had some gator participants, which the last little discussion was about.
Ah ok my bad, I thought it was somehow linked to the Fire Emblem "translation" fiasco.
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Klumpen0815: Do you mean these?
, [url=http://heavy.com/tech/2016/03/alison-rapp-photos-pictures-twitter-facebook-instagram-gamergate-fired-statement/9]2, 3

Maybe they were more concerned about these:
, [url=http://heavy.com/tech/2016/03/alison-rapp-photos-pictures-twitter-facebook-instagram-gamergate-fired-statement/5]2, 3

It's something Disney would be upset about and Nintendo is somewhat in the same ballpark.
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Darvond: I think Disney would have acted a bit more smartly, in terms of reaction. A stern warning to her, a public statement, and nobody would have to lose their job while a lawyer aims a (metaphorical) shotgun at the entire GamerGate issue, due to being an equal rights company.

Before you ask: No, Nintendo isn't an equal rights company in any capacity, and I point to Metroid: Other M as all the evidence I need.
Lawyering up against an amorphous internet movement? GG isn't even a legal person.

Worker rights are reflected in the games they make? Thats a good observation. We must push to make it legally actionable for companies producing games that in the opinion of self appointed critics ''represent women poorly'' to be sued for gender discrimination.

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Shadowstalker16: She had a campaign ran against her on twitter, probably because of her ''support'' of pedophilia (but all evidence seems to points out that she was just in favor of less penalties for CP possession and also some kind of teen sexuality supporter; which is very moderate considering the pedo advocates out there). It was started by the Wayne Foundation and had some gator participants, which the last little discussion was about.
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Gersen: Ah ok my bad, I thought it was somehow linked to the Fire Emblem "translation" fiasco.
It kinda is. You see, some gamergaters took part in the campaign against her too, and everyone in GG is / was very angry about the FEF fiasco. That is why you can see some journalists pinning the whole blame on GG instead of a more accurate part. Official response to the FEF was Op.Torrential Downpour which is much more constructive.
Post edited March 31, 2016 by Shadowstalker16
On the whole Alison Rapp thing I began to have conflicted feelings from the moment some GG supporters suggested she should be fired for her views. I mean, I never liked when she stood in defense of Treehouse's botched localization, but I thought the ones who deserved to be fired were the ones who localized the games. The problem is that they are still at large. None of them got a fair punishment, none of them got even a slap in the wrist. And then we have the moralfag elements in GG and in anti SJW movements in general doing exactly the same shit SJWs do because Rapp said she was all OK with cheese pizza. Now listen.

I have stated several times here I have nothing against sexualization of fictional children, pubescent minors having a sex life that may or may include adults as long as the minor is the one in charge, and adults feeling attraction to pubescent minors. Where I draw the line and Rapp stated she does not, is the act of recording in any form sexual acts with minors in order to make money out of them or to distribute said content and against real life sexual acts with prepubescent minors. However that does not mean I think she deserves to be fired for being stupid, she deserved a call for Nintendo asking her to shut up about that, but not getting fired.

As I said, everyone lost, or at least GG lost with this one. We are being linked to it even when most of us are against firing people because a faction within us decided to support a witch hunt which is actually in conflict with some of our supposed core values.

And in fact some GG supporters have spoken against that. For example Mundane Matt. He said this was unfair.
Post edited March 31, 2016 by LeonardoCornejo
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Calling members of your own consumer base a hate mob is directly at odds with being a PR representative for a major corporation, and it’s as simple as that.

These last couple of years we have seen quite a few individuals in a similar position that took it upon themselves to decide whose money was worth more (or less). They don’t seem to understand how a business works. Money is money. Team Ninja’s community manager put their unprofessional personal spin on why DOAX3 wasn’t coming to the West, which the company certainly didn't want because they plan to sell other games there. Even CD Projeckt’s previous community manager compared GG to the Ku Klux Klan, and that was on the very same Twitter channel where he was advertising The Witcher 3. These people have no barrier between their personal and professional lives, which is not good when their sole job is to promote games and foster consumer loyalty.

If someone cannot do their job because of personal beliefs, then quit. This culture of treating the workplace like a personal platform for divisive beliefs makes me sick. I think a pharmacist countermanding a doctor's orders and refusing to sell abortion pills (which have multiple uses outside of their name) because of their religious beliefs to a patient who just had just suffered a horrifying miscarriage is possibly one of the most disgusting I've heard about so far.
Post edited March 31, 2016 by markrichardb
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markrichardb: Calling members of your own consumer base a hate mob is directly at odds with being a PR representative for a major corporation, and it’s as simple as that.

These last couple of years we have seen quite a few individuals in a similar position that took it upon themselves to decide whose money was worth more (or less). They don’t seem to understand how a business works. Money is money. Team Ninja’s community manager put their unprofessional personal spin on why DOAX3 wasn’t coming to the West, which the company certainly didn't want because they plan to sell other games there. Even CD Projeckt’s previous community manager compared GG to the Ku Klux Klan, and that was on the very same Twitter channel where he was advertising The Witcher 3. These people have no barrier between their personal and professional lives, which is not good when their sole job is to promote games and foster consumer loyalty.

If someone cannot do their job because of personal beliefs, then quit. This culture of treating the workplace like a personal platform for divisive beliefs makes me sick. I think a pharmacist countermanding a doctor's orders and refusing to sell abortion pills (which have multiple uses outside of their name) because of their religious beliefs to a patient who just had just suffered a horrifying miscarriage is possibly one of the most disgusting I've heard about so far.
Its for the greater good, so people do it.
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Shadowstalker16: Its for the greater good, so people do it.
couldn't resist
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markrichardb: snip
Such concepts of duty and personal responsibility are ironically hugely alien in today's society that gives lip service to all sorts of larger than life causes. The personal is political. Personalize, polarize, etc... Tolerance is support. Allowing free speech is agreement. Yadah, yadah...

I keep saying it's all mostly caused by an almost fetishization of individual subjective perception over objective universal reality. We need more community, more tolerance, more honest communication, more transparency and openenness.

Alternatively we will collectively move towards removing a lot of the democratic and individual empowerment that accumulated in the past decades. Whether that will take the form of contraceptive limitations, speech limitations, movement limitation, or whatever else... is too relative and dependent on specifc sociopolitic and geopolitic factors.

And not surprisingly most of pushback I always got in these topics was always for pointing out how the rejection of objectivity in journalism was the core truth of GG. The fact that Ethics in Journalism became ridiculed almost from the get go was tragic as hell - sure some people use such keywords pejoratively, just like the other side can use SJW pejoratively. But fundamentally it shows a huge disconnect on the premises, a gap I try to bridge by attempting to highlight how deep the chasm actually goes, more often than not only causing vertigo and nausea to all involved. :(
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Brasas: We need more community, more tolerance, more honest communication, more transparency and openenness.
Look no further, it's all in this thread...
Post edited April 01, 2016 by Klumpen0815
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LeonardoCornejo: I have stated several times here I have nothing against sexualization of fictional children, pubescent minors having a sex life that may or may include adults as long as the minor is the one in charge, and adults feeling attraction to pubescent minors. Where I draw the line and Rapp stated she does not, is the act of recording in any form sexual acts with minors in order to make money out of them or to distribute said content and against real life sexual acts with prepubescent minors.
You are, once again, sorely mistaken. :(

From Alison Rapp's thesis conclusion:

I side with the camp that argues not only for less strict legislation against the simple possession of child pornography (the creation and dissemination of child pornography depicting real children is a whole other matter entirely), but also for an abatement of the pressure put on Japan for its “lax” and rarely enforced laws. […] The conditions that encourage child abuse, child prostitution, and child trafficking, likely have little, if not nothing, to do with people possessing even a questionable type of media. Instead of directing its efforts at wiping out child pornography (especially child pornography depicting fictional children, being that there is almost no proof that real children are ever harmed in the creation, distribution, or possession of it), nations like the United States should be focused on improving domestic healthcare options, educational opportunities, job markets, and other social, political, and economic solutions that quantifiably help keep children (and adults-at-risk) out of illegal and damaging exploitative situations. Japan has already done this; and, being that Japan has signed the United Nation’s Convention on the Rights of the Child [[Note from Vainamoinen: Still not ratified in the US after 26 years because it forbids life imprisonment for children and the death penalty for children]], and has a much lower rate of child abuse than many Western states, I believe it is time for the United States and other countries to learn from their Eastern neighbor: Censoring media, however questionable, does not solve societal ills.
This is exactly your position, I would assume.
Post edited April 01, 2016 by Vainamoinen
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Vainamoinen: From Alison Rapp's thesis conclusion:

I side with the camp that argues not only for less strict legislation against the simple possession of child pornography (the creation and dissemination of child pornography depicting real children is a whole other matter entirely), but also for an abatement of the pressure put on Japan for its “lax” and rarely enforced laws. […] The conditions that encourage child abuse, child prostitution, and child trafficking, likely have little, if not nothing, to do with people possessing even a questionable type of media. Instead of directing its efforts at wiping out child pornography (especially child pornography depicting fictional children, being that there is almost no proof that real children are ever harmed in the creation, distribution, or possession of it), nations like the United States should be focused on improving domestic healthcare options, educational opportunities, job markets, and other social, political, and economic solutions that quantifiably help keep children (and adults-at-risk) out of illegal and damaging exploitative situations. Japan has already done this; and, being that Japan has signed the United Nation’s Convention on the Rights of the Child [[Note from Vainamoinen: Still not ratified in the US after 26 years because it forbids life imprisonment for children and the death penalty for children]], and has a much lower rate of child abuse than many Western states, I believe it is time for the United States and other countries to learn from their Eastern neighbor: Censoring media, however questionable, does not solve societal ills.
Sounds refreshingly sane.
Post edited April 01, 2016 by Klumpen0815
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LeonardoCornejo: I have stated several times here I have nothing against sexualization of fictional children, pubescent minors having a sex life that may or may include adults as long as the minor is the one in charge, and adults feeling attraction to pubescent minors. Where I draw the line and Rapp stated she does not, is the act of recording in any form sexual acts with minors in order to make money out of them or to distribute said content and against real life sexual acts with prepubescent minors.
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Vainamoinen: You are, once again, sorely mistaken. :(

From Alison Rapp's thesis conclusion:

I side with the camp that argues not only for less strict legislation against the simple possession of child pornography (the creation and dissemination of child pornography depicting real children is a whole other matter entirely), but also for an abatement of the pressure put on Japan for its “lax” and rarely enforced laws. […] The conditions that encourage child abuse, child prostitution, and child trafficking, likely have little, if not nothing, to do with people possessing even a questionable type of media. Instead of directing its efforts at wiping out child pornography (especially child pornography depicting fictional children, being that there is almost no proof that real children are ever harmed in the creation, distribution, or possession of it), nations like the United States should be focused on improving domestic healthcare options, educational opportunities, job markets, and other social, political, and economic solutions that quantifiably help keep children (and adults-at-risk) out of illegal and damaging exploitative situations. Japan has already done this; and, being that Japan has signed the United Nation’s Convention on the Rights of the Child [[Note from Vainamoinen: Still not ratified in the US after 26 years because it forbids life imprisonment for children and the death penalty for children]], and has a much lower rate of child abuse than many Western states, I believe it is time for the United States and other countries to learn from their Eastern neighbor: Censoring media, however questionable, does not solve societal ills.
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Vainamoinen: This is exactly your position, I would assume.
I must admit that you are right. Our positions are very similar if that is what she said (Which is quite different to what others claim she said), however I do believe there should be some sort of penalty to those who own the real thing. I mean, not treating them as we treat molesters, producers and distributers, but maybe a lower penalty and using them to track the source. In the end the distribution of the real thing and it's production for monetary purposes as well as all sex acts with prepubescents are what I can't tolerate. That is where I set the limit.
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