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timppu: Will I be able to play as a man in Mirror's Edge: Catalyst (2)? Anyone know? Anita?
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Shadowstalker16: Nein.
Was?!? Zum Teufel? Mein Gottl! Ratatatatata aaargh! Himmel, Ich komme!
Post edited February 25, 2016 by timppu
Did cha hear the news? Alison Rapp is defending child pornography as free speech! What a motherbucking hipocrite! I mean, first of all we are not talking about drwn things such as lolicon which I defend, but about pornography with actual children. Not only that, it comes from someone who censors games and actually edited the skimpy outfit of an underage character in a game. At least be fucking consistent!
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https://medium.com/@jkellytwit/nintendo-s-public-relations-employee-alison-rapp-now-vocal-for-pedophiles-656f9965c6e9#.pcmiwqcim[/url]
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LeonardoCornejo: Did cha hear the news? Alison Rapp is defending child pornography as free speech! What a motherbucking hipocrite! I mean, first of all we are not talking about drwn things such as lolicon which I defend, but about pornography with actual children. Not only that, it comes from someone who censors games and actually edited the skimpy outfit of an underage character in a game. At least be fucking consistent!
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https://medium.com/@jkellytwit/nintendo-s-public-relations-employee-alison-rapp-now-vocal-for-pedophiles-656f9965c6e9#.pcmiwqcim]
https://medium.com/@jkellytwit/nintendo-s-public-relations-employee-alison-rapp-now-vocal-for-pedophiles-656f9965c6e9#.pcmiwqcim[/url]
Yes real child pornography violates the harm principle. Children cannot consent, and that is why sex with children is statuary rape. IMO real CP is similarly exploitative and evil. These kinds of people naturally find drama, with their twisted viewpoints, and I'm becoming really tired instead of angry about false accusation after false accusation.
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LeonardoCornejo: Did cha hear the news? Alison Rapp is defending child pornography as free speech! What a motherbucking hipocrite! I mean, first of all we are not talking about drwn things such as lolicon which I defend, but about pornography with actual children. Not only that, it comes from someone who censors games and actually edited the skimpy outfit of an underage character in a game. At least be fucking consistent!
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https://medium.com/@jkellytwit/nintendo-s-public-relations-employee-alison-rapp-now-vocal-for-pedophiles-656f9965c6e9#.pcmiwqcim]
https://medium.com/@jkellytwit/nintendo-s-public-relations-employee-alison-rapp-now-vocal-for-pedophiles-656f9965c6e9#.pcmiwqcim[/url]
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Shadowstalker16: Yes real child pornography violates the harm principle. Children cannot consent, and that is why sex with children is statuary rape. IMO real CP is similarly exploitative and evil. These kinds of people naturally find drama, with their twisted viewpoints, and I'm becoming really tired instead of angry about false accusation after false accusation.
Look, I have rather complex and unpopular views regarding underage sex and age disparity in relationships, but I don't like how she is handling it, she is generalizing, something I don't agree. I might have mentioned it before, but I see consent as a matter of mental maturity and that varies between individuals.
So... the medium article reads like a hit piece. Is it one?

In the comments that feeling dissipates. The reporting author clearly says they are linking the source material (which I had wondered about - it's source #4) and they imply or outright say the original author is defiending that CP should be legal. They seem convinced of it.

Reading the source material however, reveals a more nuanced picture:
- For one, the original author seems to be more focused on things like Anime and Manga.
- When considering "actual" CP she makes it clear near the end that she does not defend its creation or distribution. Only possession.
- She also makes it clear her defense of possession is more akin to depenalization rather than actual legalization.

This is basically a similar approach to others in the area of drug use. Heal the addict / user rather than jailing them. Somewhat legitimize usage of drugs in order to have clarity on the problem rather than keep it hidden. Continue to repress and jail drug traffickers and drug producers.

There are issues with these approaches, but after having read so far - and I was not exhaustive - I see the reporting author as likely dishonest - to me this was a hit piece, motivated by god knows what. I don't think they could have missed these nuances / context accidentally, since they actually linked the source materials and seem to have familiarity with it. Alternatively it is possible they were blinded by righteousness without any bad faith...

So to me this is a perfect example of the kind of lying by omission that anti GG usually does, but apparently on the GG side. Of course I have no idea - and it really does not matter - what any of these peopel feel about GG, in fact the position the original author takes against censorship of Japanese games would seem to align with the GG one.
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Downvotes be damned, it's going down whether I post or whether I don't anyway.

--> What Brasas said.

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LeonardoCornejo: Not only that, it comes from someone who censors games and actually edited the skimpy outfit of an underage character in a game.
Quote from linked article:

While not directly involved with localizing games, Ms. Rapp...
Gamergate strategy dictates that next up, you need to make up a conspiracy theory that she's rich. You're just putting logs on the hate fire, leading to more harassment. That's despicable.

Rapp is now gamergate's #1 target. Which is ridiculous, see my analysis on page 340. Age of consent in Japan is 13. So in Rapp's eyes – and I don't agree with her! – the sexualisation of minors aged 13 to 18, common in Japanese video games, is not paedophilia and should not be cut in Western countries full stop.

She's fighting censorship and, with it, in fact opposes her employer.

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LeonardoCornejo: At least be fucking consistent!
Without skipping a beat, you hop from "she's censoring games" to "she supported censoring games" [*citation needed] when your assumptions were proven false by the articles you linked to yourself. She's supporting YOUR 'unpopular opinions' right now and is getting harassed for it by gamergate.

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LeonardoCornejo: I do not trust her. I know this kind of people. They will greet you with the left hand and stab you with the right.
Women in general, feminists, SJW, cultural marxists, or, what the heck, Jews?
Post edited February 28, 2016 by Vainamoinen
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Brasas: So... the medium article reads like a hit piece. Is it one?

In the comments that feeling dissipates. The reporting author clearly says they are linking the source material (which I had wondered about - it's source #4) and they imply or outright say the original author is defiending that CP should be legal. They seem convinced of it.

Reading the source material however, reveals a more nuanced picture:
- For one, the original author seems to be more focused on things like Anime and Manga.
- When considering "actual" CP she makes it clear near the end that she does not defend its creation or distribution. Only possession.
- She also makes it clear her defense of possession is more akin to depenalization rather than actual legalization.

This is basically a similar approach to others in the area of drug use. Heal the addict / user rather than jailing them. Somewhat legitimize usage of drugs in order to have clarity on the problem rather than keep it hidden. Continue to repress and jail drug traffickers and drug producers.

There are issues with these approaches, but after having read so far - and I was not exhaustive - I see the reporting author as likely dishonest - to me this was a hit piece, motivated by god knows what. I don't think they could have missed these nuances / context accidentally, since they actually linked the source materials and seem to have familiarity with it. Alternatively it is possible they were blinded by righteousness without any bad faith...

So to me this is a perfect example of the kind of lying by omission that anti GG usually does, but apparently on the GG side. Of course I have no idea - and it really does not matter - what any of these peopel feel about GG, in fact the position the original author takes against censorship of Japanese games would seem to align with the GG one.
The problem is not her position on this. At least not for me. I love lolicon. My complaint is her lack of consistency. You see, she is a radfem, she supported the censorship of videogames done by Treehouse, including covering a loli in Xenoblades X, not to mention that she is a total anti GG.

You see my beef is her lack of consistency and that much likelly she is trying to coopt rather unpopular set of groups, lolicon, hebephiles and pedophiles. Now, regardless on your views of them, we know the tactics of these people, she is trying to do to at least lolicon, a sbculture I like, what they did to video games. That is why I said she was a fucking hipocrite. Not to mention that well, her support of those groups would actually gain rejection from others in stead of the much needed help or free speech in the case of drawn content. Sorry but I would not like to see lolis spewing feminist rethoric in manga just as it happened in comics.

Maybe I should be clearer when I write, but her lack of consistency set me off of balance and full of rage. I hate it, I hate when someone who is cheering for the censorship of a game for the sake of "intersectionality" claims that there should be less censorship and that posession of cp should not be treated as a horrible felony. Why, because a lack of consistency makes me mad in rage.

If it was a lolicon artist or even a NAMBLA guy i would actually not mind and in the case of the artist I would aplaud it, but someone who supported censorship has no right to do that. At least not ithout taking back the previous statements first. You will see my opinion on it on the post comments. My user pic is Carol Tea from Freedom Planet, rather easy to recognize.

Again, I am more concerned with the lack of consistency and the attempt at coopting lolicon than anything else. They feel they have succeeded and will move to a less defended subculture which is a bit desperate for support and will welcome them. I actually found this in a lolicon forum and warned them about it. I told them what these people did to gaming and how they would do the same to lolicon manga and even maybe spread to manga in general later.

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Vainamoinen: Downvotes be damned, it's going down whether I post or whether I don't anyway.

--> What Brasas said.

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LeonardoCornejo: Not only that, it comes from someone who censors games and actually edited the skimpy outfit of an underage character in a game.
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Vainamoinen: Quote from linked article:

While not directly involved with localizing games, Ms. Rapp...
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Vainamoinen: Gamergate strategy dictates that next up, you need to make up a conspiracy theory that she's rich. You're just putting logs on the hate fire, leading to more harassment. That's despicable.

Rapp is now gamergate's #1 target. Which is ridiculous, see my analysis on page 340. Age of consent in Japan is 13. So in Rapp's eyes – and I don't agree with her! – the sexualisation of minors aged 13 to 18, common in Japanese video games, is not paedophilia and should not be cut in Western countries full stop.

She's fighting censorship and, with it, in fact opposes her employer.

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LeonardoCornejo: At least be fucking consistent!
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Vainamoinen:
I do not trust her. I know this kind of people. They will greet you with the left hand and stab you with the right. She is not doing it to support lolicon or free speech. She is doing it to coopt one of Japan's industries most hated by prudes.
Post edited February 28, 2016 by LeonardoCornejo
AntiGG guy forces the cancellation of debate about GG in Spain : https://twitter.com/kukuruyo/status/703662939086196737
Why are these people so afraid of debate and conversation if they think they're so objectively right?
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Shadowstalker16: AntiGG guy forces the cancellation of debate about GG in Spain : https://twitter.com/kukuruyo/status/703662939086196737
Why are these people so afraid of debate and conversation if they think they're so objectively right?
Did the SA bother talking things out with local Jewish business owners in 1930s Germany?

SJWs are the brown shirts of a radical political movement. They're interested in busting up convention and establishment order for the purpose of building their own 'new order.' Again, it's just reshuffling of deck chairs on the Titanic. If we all stepped aside and let social justice accomplish everything they wanted, the very next day a new revolution would begin and we'd find the gays, blue hairs and trannies of social justice acting as the new conservative establishment. REVOLUTION - means it goes round and round forever.

The reason they're so vehement in their rhetoric and actions is because they still have resistance to rub up against. Once the resistance is gone, they'll find their victory to be a hollow one. And ultimately, the secret agenda behind social justice is one of perpetual class/race/sex division, so that's certainly not one that could be considered egalitarian by any measuring stick. They're not interested in debate because they're busy fulfilling their orders from their masters.
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Shadowstalker16: AntiGG guy forces the cancellation of debate about GG in Spain : https://twitter.com/kukuruyo/status/703662939086196737
Why are these people so afraid of debate and conversation if they think they're so objectively right?
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Emob78: Did the SA bother talking things out with local Jewish business owners in 1930s Germany?

SJWs are the brown shirts of a radical political movement. They're interested in busting up convention and establishment order for the purpose of building their own 'new order.' Again, it's just reshuffling of deck chairs on the Titanic. If we all stepped aside and let social justice accomplish everything they wanted, the very next day a new revolution would begin and we'd find the gays, blue hairs and trannies of social justice acting as the new conservative establishment. REVOLUTION - means it goes round and round forever.

The reason they're so vehement in their rhetoric and actions is because they still have resistance to rub up against. Once the resistance is gone, they'll find their victory to be a hollow one. And ultimately, the secret agenda behind social justice is one of perpetual class/race/sex division, so that's certainly not one that could be considered egalitarian by any measuring stick. They're not interested in debate because they're busy fulfilling their orders from their masters.
Yes, most of what they say is something you'd expect out of wide eyed, sheltered rich kids finding out bad stuff happens. They have no material goals, no proof and no interest in equality. They seem to think equality is based on cultural / biological groups and their ''power''.

EDIT; antiGG in a nutshell : http://i.imgur.com/GaOHmbY.png
Post edited February 28, 2016 by Shadowstalker16
Some of you might remember this article on the Mary Sue. https://archive.is/4pqqt

Now somebody is claiming to be the author. https://medium.com/@markankucic/what-i-learned-as-feminist-critic-sandy-beaches-f1ee45a7e0aa#.wbulhohki

He claims it was all a troll to see how big a load of crap he could write and still get published. Interesting story.
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walpurgis8199: Some of you might remember this article on the Mary Sue. https://archive.is/4pqqt

Now somebody is claiming to be the author. https://medium.com/@markankucic/what-i-learned-as-feminist-critic-sandy-beaches-f1ee45a7e0aa#.wbulhohki

He claims it was all a troll to see how big a load of crap he could write and still get published. Interesting story.
Sounds more logical than someone actually meaning this crap serious.
Do you remember this?
I wouldn't be surprised if more of those silly "articles" are written by people like him.
It's always easy to heat up the intolerant haters and outrage is easier to sell than research, honest analysis and informative articles.
The current Zeitgeist is so whoever just wants to make money is riding the wave and repeating the narrative in as many ways and places as possible. People are making [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbpCKC5dCPo]insane amounts of money with it and gain real political power which probably wouldn't be possible in such a short time by being honest, so we should expect more Sandy Beaches and if some of the female key figures are already making fun of all their fans and donators, I wouldn't be surprised.
Post edited February 29, 2016 by Klumpen0815
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Shadowstalker16: antiGG in a nutshell : http://i.imgur.com/GaOHmbY.png
antiGG and GG in a nutshell
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Shadowstalker16: antiGG in a nutshell : http://i.imgur.com/GaOHmbY.png
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amok: antiGG and GG in a nutshell
Hey give it credit where its due. Its not THAT simple :D
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walpurgis8199: Some of you might remember this article on the Mary Sue. https://archive.is/4pqqt

Now somebody is claiming to be the author. https://medium.com/@markankucic/what-i-learned-as-feminist-critic-sandy-beaches-f1ee45a7e0aa#.wbulhohki

He claims it was all a troll to see how big a load of crap he could write and still get published. Interesting story.
Reminds me of the joke where people say you can take paragraphs from Mein Kampf and replace the place where Hitler says ''Jews'' with ''Men'' and get an instant feminist hit.

The thing I see that causes all these sort of people seem to think opinions are facts without question. One of the excuses I saw in my 2nd gamerghazi posting spree was someone just quoting a ''race is believed to be a significant determinant of social class''. Like, that is all he said. Either way, its good that mainstream game review websites cannot push this biased reporting without being questioned as to the validity of the fortune cookie theories they apply in them.