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RWarehall
Excuses? The article had links to other articles. It sited sources. That's not making excuses, that's backing your your points.
Just saw this Feminist video. WOW is all I can say
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ryannaughton1138: RWarehall
Excuses? The article had links to other articles. It sited sources. That's not making excuses, that's backing your your points.
You are such the troll aren't you...
Obviously critical thinking is not being taught in schools these days. No, its a bad article and here's why...

Anyone who uses a stupid, poorly thought out and misleading statistic as the 77% one, which your author repeated in various forms multiple times, is a liar and deceiver. You, Ryan are too.

Anyone with half a brain can tell you that just adding up all the wages of women and adding up all the wages of men and calling that a "wage gap" is grossly misleading. Anyone with half a brain realizes that many women stay at home or work part-time jobs to support a family's children and education. So really, it takes a lying asshole to quote that statistic in the first place. Because that figure is 100% meaningless. It's rubbish. And it in no way reflects how much an equally qualified woman makes vs a man.

Anyone using that crap statistic is intentionally misleading the public for their cause making them a "social justice warrior" aka "asshole to the fullest". These people, like you Ryan, aren't here to talk about the truth, nope you and your "special friends" are here to lie and deceive anyone you can con into your lies and distortions.

Just look at the shell game the author of that article tried to pull...
She states 77% is exaggerated as a myth by arguing their are many ways to measure it. You can go by annual earnings or you can be by weekly earnings. Or you can even take an example of a 25-year old woman who would have earned $5,000 less at that point in her career.

Basically all gross distortions. All of them use the same distorted statistical method involving the average wage of a woman. All of them ignore the fact that this average is lower because many women work less or not at all intentionally. But she still doubles down on their use.

And we can go into other parts of her articles where she cherry-picks the "ripest" stats by going through the Labor Statistics and finding the careers with the biggest wage gaps and using those as examples. I bet if you did the same thing with men, you could try to argue men are making less by cherry-picking careers where women make more.

Pamela Coukos is just a con artist and frankly I find it amusing you are linking to a blog of all things for your "facts". One-sided opinion pieces are usually not the place to start.
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Rusty_Gunn: Plus there's this as well http://www.eeoc.gov/laws/statutes/epa.cfm
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hedwards: Indeed. The only situations I can think of where women might not make as much as men would be in cases where there's negotiation for salary or when there's a commission/bonus involved. But, even there, they did eventually pass the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009 which helps things out.

Ultimately, the only thing that's going to settle the matter is if people start actually talking about how much they're making and what their benefits are. I think that in most cases it's not going to be particularly surprising, but it would help a lot with workers' rights.
Well the modern feminist what others to shoulder their own responsibility.
Post edited November 19, 2015 by Gnostic
Salon: "Let’s deport all the wasp males"

Timeline of shocking Race Hate Crimes in Americanuniversityland
That was an amazing piece of satire.


Edit: Okay, so either the site that hoste the above article is a parody newsite like the Onion is, or just full of lots of crazy.
Post edited November 19, 2015 by sldrisk
Well guys. I have found out something scarry. Apparently the wage gap is not always a fake. It is more of an isolated case specific situation, often found in places where ethics are scarce. You might wonder what I am talking about. I read an article, forgot where, about a female ex employee of Gawker who claims the wage gap is real there. Yes, she said women got paid less than men at Gawker, they were often mistreated, and basically in a twist of irony Gawker is the incarnation of everything feminists claim.
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sldrisk: That was an amazing piece of satire.

Edit: Okay, so either the site that hoste the above article is a parody newsite like the Onion is, or just full of lots of crazy.
The latter. :-)
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LeonardoCornejo: Well guys. I have found out something scarry. Apparently the wage gap is not always a fake. It is more of an isolated case specific situation, often found in places where ethics are scarce. You might wonder what I am talking about. I read an article, forgot where, about a female ex employee of Gawker who claims the wage gap is real there. Yes, she said women got paid less than men at Gawker, they were often mistreated, and basically in a twist of irony Gawker is the incarnation of everything feminists claim.
Is this woman a feminist? If not her opinion doesn't matter.
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LeonardoCornejo: Well guys. I have found out something scarry. Apparently the wage gap is not always a fake. It is more of an isolated case specific situation, often found in places where ethics are scarce. You might wonder what I am talking about. I read an article, forgot where, about a female ex employee of Gawker who claims the wage gap is real there. Yes, she said women got paid less than men at Gawker, they were often mistreated, and basically in a twist of irony Gawker is the incarnation of everything feminists claim.
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Shadowstalker16: Is this woman a feminist? If not her opinion doesn't matter.
To be honest I don't know. I just gave the article a quick read.
Here's the Breitbart article covering it with links to the original story.
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2015/11/16/it-turns-out-there-is-a-gender-pay-gap-at-gawker/

Frankly, I don't give it much weight. One person alleges they aren't being paid what they are worth does not prove a wage gap. I think anyone who has ever worked knows someone with an inflated opinion of their worth and capabilities.

And I don't think anyone here disagrees that there are workplaces around which discriminate. One of my co-workers once told me how he tried to get a job for his cousin who just immigrated to the States where he worked. It wasn't his English for which his cousin was denied; they wouldn't hire him because he didn't speak Spanish! Only in America!

The problem with this wave of feminists is they will lie, exaggerate and distort anything in their vain attempt to prove a non-existent point. While it's true there are managers who might discriminate, there is not a universal societal problem which makes women make 3/4 what men make. That is just utter bs. It's lying through "creative" use of statistics. And they use this to make the bat-shit crazy claim it proves there is a patriarchy...
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RWarehall
You keep using the word troll. I don't think it means what you think it means.

Also, if feminists are trying to prove a "non existent point," why are they being taken more seriously than Gamergate?
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ryannaughton1138: RWarehall
You keep using the word troll. I don't think it means what you think it means.

Also, if feminists are trying to prove a "non existent point," why are they being taken more seriously than Gamergate?
So mob mentality?

If the majority of people said being gay is wrong would that make it so?
No, it wouldn't.

It's not because one group is taken more serious, the others are guaranteed to be wrong.
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sldrisk: That was an amazing piece of satire.

Edit: Okay, so either the site that hoste the above article is a parody newsite like the Onion is, or just full of lots of crazy.
It's satire and quite good satire at that. It's been a while since I read any satire that was actually satirical.

As for the topic there, when I was a child, people were saying a lot of the same things and making the same sort of bigoted remarks about Germans around here. That any sign of pride in the culture meant that you were a Nazi or at least a horrible human being.
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ryannaughton1138: RWarehall
You keep using the word troll. I don't think it means what you think it means.

Also, if feminists are trying to prove a "non existent point," why are they being taken more seriously than Gamergate?
Because women make up half the population and gamers don't? If gamers had the indoctrination aparatus that women do, you'd probably see the same thing. Personally I feel sorry for people like you that actively fight your own best interests for a group of people that can take care of themselves. Women have more than 50% of the vote in the US, they don't need sell outs to effect change. The change is slowing because most women are smart enough to realize that they aren't being raped and molested at the rates that the radical fringes of the women's movement claim.

Also, appealing to popularity just means you've lost the argument.
Post edited November 19, 2015 by hedwards
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dragonbeast
A lot of people outside of Gamergate would consider Gamergate to be a better example of mob mentality.

hedwards
I fight against my own best interest? I am a straight white dude, and as such I am as well off as you can be in the first world. My best interests are fairly secure.