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ryannaughton1138: noncompliantgame

It's not because it's difficult or uncomfortable, it's because this is absurd, and non existent. This is has gone from being about "ethics in journalism"(which has lost all meaning at this point) to talking about child sex trafficking rings run by some great sjw plot, and your proof is articles from conspiracy theory websites.

To quote Pappa Lazarou, this is just a saga now.
You are wearing gold plated blinders. I'm quite jealous of your bling, sir. Ignorant bliss is almost as good as a fifth of whiskey.
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ryannaughton1138: noncompliantgame

It's not because it's difficult or uncomfortable, it's because this is absurd, and non existent. This is has gone from being about "ethics in journalism"(which has lost all meaning at this point) to talking about child sex trafficking rings run by some great sjw plot, and your proof is articles from conspiracy theory websites.
Please use the forum system properly. Absenting the quote won't distort the message, it's a very transparent tactic.


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it's because this is absurd, and non existent.
Wow just wow! Impossibly naive or just trolling?


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... it's about "ethics in journalism"
Points at the sign over the shop "But it says "outdoor furniture"? Why are you selling camping gear?" enough said


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child sex trafficking rings run by some great sjw plot
Who said anything about a Sjw plot? Some of them are probably unwitting fools. These wrong headed movements seem to attract lots and lots of stooges both well meaning and malevolent.


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your proof is articles from conspiracy theory websites
Again, just wow! People still use "conspircay theory" as a knee jerk reaction to anything that doesn't fit their cookie cutter world view or that they can't understand.

Sibel Edmunds is a former FBI agent turned whistleblower. The US gov tried to shut her up - they tried to put her away, they tried to get her book banned. Death threats are practically a way of life for her - real death threats, from gov't personel. Read her memoir "Classified Woman". The gov't doesn't try to ban, jail or death threat "conspiracy theorists" - at least not as per the meaning you're using it.

James Corbett is a reputable alt media independent researcher, interviewer etc workaholic who has been on the internet since the late 2000's. He appears on RT and other reliable mainstream(ish) programs as well as popular alt media such as Infowars.

Peter B. Collins is an old school left/liberal indie journo with plenty of credentials and credibility who's been around since Watergate.

Don't believe me? About 20 mins digging online will bring up plenty of proof - they all reference their material and as was pointed out their continued existence as independent journalists relies on them keeping their good reputations intact.

If you want to dismiss these high achievers work as some "tinfoil-hat-conspiracy-theory-websites" then that's your choice. It's just a shame that the general public's understanding of deep geo-political analysis is this depraved miscreant instead of noble souls such as Edmunds and Corbett. Stay ignorant at your own risk. ;-)
Post edited November 08, 2015 by noncompliantgame
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noncompliantgame
Ok, I did a bit of research, and I think it's a bit strange that you would call Corbett a "noble soul" who stands along side Sibel Edmunds, and Peter B. Collins who are truly fighting the good fight. In my research, I found that Corbett is 9/11 truther, global warming denialist, and New World Order believer. Not exactly a dude I think is fighting the good fight. Also associating him with Alex Jone' Infowars was bit of a red flag.

Look, have real conspiracies happened? Yes, yes they have, but they aren't unmasked be a bunch angry dudes hanging out on the internet all day long. To quote one of science fiction's greatest characters, "the road from legitimate suspicion to rampant paranoia is very much shorter than we think. "
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I've got some GamerGate news: the fact that you guys are STILL keeping up the pretense that this is about 'ethics in game journalism' is astonishing. I bet you even believe it yourselves at this point.

Throw all the vitriol you want at me, throw all the downvotes at me you want, I won't be back to this thread. Or better yet, dox me - that's how you warriors of virtue and ethics operate, right? Bully, slander, terrify, harass, and threaten anyone who disagrees with you? Or you could always shriek that I'm trying to 'censor' you, because I disagree with you, that's a popular choice amongst 'gaters'.
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Peregrine2976: I've got some GamerGate news: the fact that you guys are STILL keeping up the pretense that this is about 'ethics in game journalism' is astonishing. I bet you even believe it yourselves at this point.

Throw all the vitriol you want at me, throw all the downvotes at me you want, I won't be back to this thread. Or better yet, dox me - that's how you warriors of virtue and ethics operate, right? Bully, slander, terrify, harass, and threaten anyone who disagrees with you? Or you could always shriek that I'm trying to 'censor' you, because I disagree with you, that's a popular choice amongst 'gaters'.
Typical SJW...hypocritical with their own bullying and harassment but think it's okay because they think they are on the "right" side...if you honestly look at yourself in a mirror, you'll be shocked at what you see...
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noncompliantgame: Yes, that is a much more compact form of "news coverage" and yes it is similar/related subject matter. But the point is it's served up and presented in a certain way with, in all likely-hood, all sorts of information omitted and facts distorted. Just to make the point again - what msm gives people to consume and what small groups of independent and essentially uncompromised journalistas like James Corbett and Sibel Edmunds provide are very different and the content is different and the intention is different. Mainstream media (and as they point out much of the alt media) are there to confuse and obfuscate by disseminating dis/misinformation and propaganda, whereas these independent researchers are able to bring you truth uncompromised. That's precisely why you can have a lengthy in-depth analysis of subject matter that can meander in all sorts of directions. They're entirely different creatures. If you're used to just msm it may be difficult to digest it all at once. My suggestion is to keep digging. ;-)

Why? Because we're discussing a difficult and uncomfortable subject - the elephant in the living room, that western politics, religious institutions and mainstream media are infested with the worst and most vile vermin there ever was. This instead of prevaricating endlessly and pointlessly over spoiled neofems and Sjws having a hissy fit over video games. A subject Sjws won't go near precisely because so many of them are involved directly or indirectly.
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LeonardoCornejo: Indeed, the involved groups are what we could call our enemy. Their actions go into areas which are considered wrong no matter who you are. Child sexual abuse, unethical disinformation (The only kind of disinformation), discrimination based on age, gender, race, ethnicity, etc., and the list goes on. This is what results from moral relativism, having no principles and no honor. I bet some SJWs would actually give their own children to child molesters such as Nyberg if they could.
Yep, moral relativism is how they they suck a lot of people into their cults, and they are cults - everyone knows by now that neofeminism and its related doctrines are analogous to religion.

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Peregrine2976: the pretense that this is about 'ethics in game journalism' is astonishing. I bet you even believe it yourselves at this point.

Throw all the vitriol you want at me, throw all the downvotes at me you want, I won't be back to this thread. Or better yet, dox me - that's how you warriors of virtue and ethics operate, right? Bully, slander, terrify, harass, and threaten anyone who disagrees with you? Or you could always shriek that I'm trying to 'censor' you, because I disagree with you, that's a popular choice amongst 'gaters'.
Who's making a pretense ? I don't speak for the entire intersnez or even the Gog G'gate forum but I'll just say that this is about all kinds of things not just one narrow subject, like I mentioned - not just about spoiled neofems and crazy Sjws and corrupt msm journalists. As for "Bully, slander, terrify, harass, and threaten anyone who disagrees with you". That's the Stassi method, your way of dealing with us, it's all been said - you're the establishment, you're the ones telling people they can't do this, they can't say that. Time for you to have a reality check.

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ryannaughton1138: 8<
You're either very naive, just trolling or have very poor comprehension skills. I'll leave it at that. As I said ... Stay ignorant at your own risk. ;-)
Post edited November 09, 2015 by noncompliantgame
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Peregrine2976: I've got some GamerGate news: the fact that you guys are STILL keeping up the pretense that this is about 'ethics in game journalism' is astonishing. I bet you even believe it yourselves at this point.

Throw all the vitriol you want at me, throw all the downvotes at me you want, I won't be back to this thread. Or better yet, dox me - that's how you warriors of virtue and ethics operate, right? Bully, slander, terrify, harass, and threaten anyone who disagrees with you? Or you could always shriek that I'm trying to 'censor' you, because I disagree with you, that's a popular choice amongst 'gaters'.
Sure.
Release tha Randi Harper boys!
Social Justice Woo - Why Neofems and Sjws lie, destroy and do bad things.
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noncompliantgame
How am I naive, exactly? I questioned why you'd put 9/11 truther alongside people who are doing things that are genuinely good for the world. You didn't exactly give a good answer there.
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ryannaughton1138: noncompliantgame
How am I naive, exactly? I questioned why you'd put 9/11 truther alongside people who are doing things that are genuinely good for the world. You didn't exactly give a good answer there.
You're baitin' and I'm bitin'.

First off, most 911 truthers believe that the Bush cabinet and higher ups were complicit in manipulating the facts over 911 in order to get us into a war. That is indeed very true. Most of the hijackers were from Pakistan or Saudi Arabia. Yet we ended up going to war with Iraq and Afghanistan. The 'yellow cake' and WMD info given over to the UN security council was bloated at best, and outright forged at worst. Thousands of American and British men and women died because of a lie. That's not a conspiracy theory. Then there's the other side of the Truther movement that believes the whole thing was staged from beginning to end. Definitely not true, but that's what they believe. Essentially what you're doing is taking the most outrageous aspects of the Truther movement and somehow assigning it whole-cloth to Gamergate and its supporters. That is a straw-man argument if ever there was one.

Rather than get into name calling, side taking, and code switching, perhaps it would better for you to at least attempt a little objectivity and see where the other side is coming from. Barring that, at least try to make your own biased arguments a bit more logical and reasonable, because all you seem to want to do is bounce around calling everyone names and playing whatever oppression card seems convenient at the time - and it's goddamn annoying.
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Emob78
There is one slight flaw in your argument. Ok, it's more then one flaw. It's true that the Bush administration did take advantage of the 9/11 tragedy to forward there own hideously misguided ideology, but that is not what the truther movement is about. The other side as you call is not some fringe off shot of the truther movement. It is the truther movement.
It's the same thing with GamerGate. All those people harassing feminist critics, that's not the fringe, that's the face of the movement. That is what it's about. Like I said before, I used to believe in Gamergate, but seeing the attacks on it's critics all the while gators claimed that there enemies doxed themselves(seriously why the hell would anyone do that), and well you can't get more objective than that.
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ryannaughton1138: Emob78
There is one slight flaw in your argument. Ok, it's more then one flaw. It's true that the Bush administration did take advantage of the 9/11 tragedy to forward there own hideously misguided ideology, but that is not what the truther movement is about. The other side as you call is not some fringe off shot of the truther movement. It is the truther movement.
It's the same thing with GamerGate. All those people harassing feminist critics, that's not the fringe, that's the face of the movement. That is what it's about. Like I said before, I used to believe in Gamergate, but seeing the attacks on it's critics all the while gators claimed that there enemies doxed themselves(seriously why the hell would anyone do that), and well you can't get more objective than that.
We have evidence that Wu doxed and harassed herself, why would anyone do that? Well, to keep the victim image and earn money from it, I even advised my sister to pretend GamerGate harassed her while I attacked her on Twitter so we could make some cash and prove a point at the same time (She refused because she said we should never fall as low as them, true indeed)

And we attack critics with facts or memes, never with harassment or doxing, most if not all of GG supporters work hard to fight against such practices (A lot harder than Crash Override) and we condemn them. There might be some infiltrated double agents, traitors, and fringe lunatics who practice those actions, but most of the doxers and harassers are not even tied to GG, they just have an anemy in common with us.
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Peregrine2976: I've got some GamerGate news: the fact that you guys are STILL keeping up the pretense that this is about 'ethics in game journalism' is astonishing. I bet you even believe it yourselves at this point.

Throw all the vitriol you want at me, throw all the downvotes at me you want, I won't be back to this thread. Or better yet, dox me - that's how you warriors of virtue and ethics operate, right? Bully, slander, terrify, harass, and threaten anyone who disagrees with you? Or you could always shriek that I'm trying to 'censor' you, because I disagree with you, that's a popular choice amongst 'gaters'.
The wrost that will ever happen to you here for saying what you said is getting downvotes and answers refuting your points. If you want vitriol, doxing, slander, bullyng, terror, threats and harassment you are talking to the wrong side of the argument.

Our methods are very different to those of our opponents.
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Peregrine2976: I've got some GamerGate news: the fact that you guys are STILL keeping up the pretense that this is about 'ethics in game journalism' is astonishing. I bet you even believe it yourselves at this point.

Throw all the vitriol you want at me, throw all the downvotes at me you want, I won't be back to this thread. Or better yet, dox me - that's how you warriors of virtue and ethics operate, right? Bully, slander, terrify, harass, and threaten anyone who disagrees with you? Or you could always shriek that I'm trying to 'censor' you, because I disagree with you, that's a popular choice amongst 'gaters'.
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Shadowstalker16: Sure.
Release tha Randi Harper boys!
But sir, we don't have one, we never did.
Post edited November 09, 2015 by LeonardoCornejo
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ryannaughton1138: Emob78
There is one slight flaw in your argument. Ok, it's more then one flaw. It's true that the Bush administration did take advantage of the 9/11 tragedy to forward there own hideously misguided ideology, but that is not what the truther movement is about. The other side as you call is not some fringe off shot of the truther movement. It is the truther movement.
It's the same thing with GamerGate. All those people harassing feminist critics, that's not the fringe, that's the face of the movement. That is what it's about. Like I said before, I used to believe in Gamergate, but seeing the attacks on it's critics all the while gators claimed that there enemies doxed themselves(seriously why the hell would anyone do that), and well you can't get more objective than that.
So essentially what you're saying is that once a movement is radicalized, everything done and said by that movement from that point on is measured by the yard stick of radical philosophy. Thanks! I now know exactly how to categorize every single feminist or SJW I ever have dealings with.

Also, according to that line of thought, there is no such thing as conservative minded gays, women who support male causes, girls who play violent video games, blacks who are good at managing businesses, or European communists that bathe. The most extreme example must BE the example all others are judged upon.
I can't say, that I particularly like every single person here or that GG is always a shining beacon of tolerance, but at least there's some real diversity at play and the motivation behind their stuff isn't money or power by manipulation but actual ideals, fringe trolls excluded of course (although one can say, that they have a discordian ideal and can be found everywhere for exactly this reason).

Anyway, since by now both sides see me as "the enemy", my work here is done (mostly in vain, but at least some people from each side seem to be less radical than before) and I'll move on to more important matters.
Post edited November 09, 2015 by Klumpen0815