Veganism is a cult, they way it is shoved down our throats in this country it is not possible to even remotely appreciate the idea.

Then it shows that most people are using it as a separation tool to make themselves feel special rather than doing it for its intended purposes. Unfortunately all that can be done is to ignore them.

Hopefully they calm down, the country has enough problems without putting tax on our bacon lol.

Ignored, as always.

I'm pretty sure that Guiness has the opinion, that it is not financially feasible to make an alternative version but didn't want to pass out on a vegetarian and vegan customer base either. Maybe the new method is more cost effective anyway and just needed some pre-financing they didn't want to do, who knows? Having a scapegoat for changing some kind of tradition is always nice though, isn't it?
256 years are nothing compared to the age of the German Reinheitsgebot which is vegan since 1516 (since 1487 on a local basis) and one could say, that Germany knows a bit about how to make proper beer.
Our big local juice producers changed their method of clearing orange, mango and cherry juice after people got to know, that it's not even vegetarian. If you want to blame someone, the evil vegans are not enough, you'll have to include all the vegetarians too.
Blaming logical business decisions on "ye religious zealots" is typical and sad.

The animal cruelty is an entirely different matter and can be judged better after seeing some real facilities or the documentary "Earthlings". My family had a small self-providing farm long ago and what happened there was too much for some of us, but nothing compared to what is happening large-scale.

This whole topic is different here in Europe.
Unlike in America, space around here is extremely expensive, that's why meat, milk and egg "producers" are only surviving with subsidies from the states and still cram the animals up in very little space while feeding them with penicillin as part of their regular food which in turn is creating penicillin resistant germs at an accelerated rate which is solved by (who would have though) a higher dosis in the next "meal". They would have been closed down in a truly free market long ago and without soy fields as the primary protein source for the animals it wouldn't even be possible with all this money from the state and the reduced VAT that comes on top of it, since most people here are not willing to pay a realistic amount of money for this stuff.
Cows milk, meat, cheese, butter and eggs have 7% VAT while juice, soy/rice/oat-milk have 19%, even water bottles have 19% VAT.
It's all sponsored because not cost efficient at all, even with bad animal treatment and I have to pay for this too.
I have no idea if the "producers" of animal products get all those privileges in the American market.
That's one of the many reasons, why a transition away from such products is happening in Europe but I guess people here feel better by just spreading misinformed hatred and feeling better about themselves just like your sjw enemies do.

I'm sure McIntosh would be pleased by the random division and sweeping generalizations the sudden topic shift created. You know divide and conquer only works if you allow yourself to be divided, right?

If it makes you feel any better, that thread's one of the ones from 2014 that got archived, so it's not possible to post in there.

Oh yes he would and one of his hench(wo)men are surely monitoring this while having a blast with it.

I totally missed this fact, thanks for the hint. I won't create a new one though, someone else can get the blame, insults and rep-ercussions, I've had enough from the last one which was even gaming related.

Hard to blame you; getting into discussions about things one's passionate about seems to be the quickest way of creating an unbearable conversation. Passion carries an emotional stake, the internet carries the preconceived notions of the masses, and the collision of the two is rarely a pretty sight.

Besides, I think we all have enough on our plate already, what with being misogynistic bins of toxic masculinity pouring over and horribly scarring the innocent. Or so I hear; I was recently going through some news and I followed some links to a Washington Post article that mentioned GG in the same way it's so often referred to in the narrative: evil men scaring innocent women because we can't share our toys. I wasn't even looking for GG material—this is something I stumbled onto one link deep into a recent news story. Seems to me the willingness of mainstream outlets to blindly parrot "the narrative" is the kind of thing we should be talking about before we start tearing into each other for dietary choices.

I guess the reason why "animal abusers" or "carrion eaters" isn't part of the already heavily loaded narrative is, that most of the other side doesn't really give a damn about animal rights (or anyone else's rights apart from the own ones), especcially the "leaders". It's hip to go into some fancy and expensive Californian veggie restaurant for show and making pictures on Facebook/Instagram as it seems, but that's it.

We know by now why "child molesting pedos" isn't part of the narrative...

Hey that beautiful brave courageous smart intelligent funny 19-yo was just being a teenage edgelord ya know.........

Kojima dared to make a sexy character? Sexist misogynist perv who wants keep women out of gaming.
Butts doxxed her 8-yo cousin and posted her pics on a pedo IRC chat? She's just a teenage edgelord.

I can see the usuall mysogyny and anti-semitism and homophobia and other rascism hate speedh is alive and well here because corruption in game journalism.

Questioning something = misogyny / racism / homophobia
Inquisition / 10 ; didn't get paid this time.

Also, why the fear of people speaking off topic? Ofc ''hate speech'' but really, behind the excuse, what detriment would you have?

Follow up on Anita's diversity hire who didn't go through a proper background check it seems : http://i.imgur.com/czeGAIB.png

No, most vegans I've met are pretty unhealthy. The exceptions are ones that put a lot of effort into making up for the inadequacies of the diet. But, on the other hand, I have plenty of relatives that are in better health, but rarely eat vegetables.

The alleged negative health consequences of meat are mostly a matter of excessive consumption with inadequate exercise, but it's completely possible to survive without eating anything but animal products. Peoples of the far north would go months without access to anything but meat because it wasn't there and there wasn't any method of storing it anyways.

But, you have to eat pretty much the whole animal, not just the muscle meat. If you're not eating the internal organs, you're leaving most of the nutrition in the animal. And the animals themselves need to be eating proper food rather than the garbage that is generally fed to them.

Most of the theories like cholesterol and fat never had any actual scientific evidence backing them as particularly dangerous to the population at large. There's no correlation between cholesterol levels and cardiovascular disease.
I'm not sure why you were modded down. Indian Gurus invented veganism and relatively recently. It's a religious practice and requires a great deal of practice and preparation as a lot of the foods you need to eat have to be specially prepared.

Over 2500 years of Jainism.... relative recently... ha!
I wouldn't even know where to start with all the bullshit in these posts, but this one takes the cake.