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LeonardoCornejo: I noticed your user information says you are from india. Is it true that a large amount of the population is vegetarian or semi vegetarian for cultural reasons? If that is the case. Do you think it could be the cultural origin in stead of moral one which makes such kind of vegetarians less prone to give it much relevance as a group?
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Shadowstalker16: Yes; many people are vegetarian / only meat they is eat fish due to religious reasons. Jains and Buddhists obviously don't eat meat. People of ''higher castes'' among Hindus (except Bengalis who somehow count fish as vegetarian) don't eat meat at all but people of ''lower castes'' do. But many people among the ''lower castes'' are also vegetarian, like I am.

Most of it is religiously motivated but is still kinda rational since meat oftentimes isn't kept and maintained properly and vegetables bought off the street or in supermarkets are more likely to be safer to eat than meat is. Ofc meat served at good restaurants is safe, but meat bought in small road-side shops needn't be properly maintained.

Personally I can eat it if I want to as long as don't bring it home but never felt the need to risk eating badly kept stuff and never felt the need to spend so much and go to a good restaurant or fast food outlet to buy good stuff.

And recently, there have been some very controversial stuff regrading beef and banning beef. It is actually banned in some states and has been for quite some time. But there seemed to be a bit of a push from the government about banning it in new places, and a guy was beaten to death over eating beef by extremists (is what they would be but kinda more like a disorganized mob than an organization out to do this).
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vulchor: of eating beef in India, I hear their sensitive about cows there.
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Shadowstalker16: Yup, some people are quite overly sensitive about it.
Interesting. I realy would like to know more about India, its history and both old and modern culture from a native. To be honest I lov Indian cuisine (At least the parts of it that arrive to the west like curry and samosas) and I am very curious about its culture.

Now the meat part. Well I understand that if your religion holds an animal in high regard you might refuse to eat it, and even partially understand a regional ban in some areas. But banning beef countrywide or killing someone goes beyond what I call acceptable. On the part of health. Trust me, as a meat eater I understand there are health risks, specially if the provider is unsanitary. Fortunatelly I cook all meat to the point that either it forms a carred surface or it is boiled in water, which makes it 90% safe as long as it was fresh. But I bet in low income areas in India that might not be an available comodity, and since the local cuisine is quite good without the need of meat, you don't miss anything great. Now, if you were to travel to Germany or Mexico, then you might miss a lot of the local cuisine in case you refused to eat all forms of meat.

I am starting to get the feeling that when vegetarianism is a partly cultural matter in stead of moral vegetarians get less extreme. Might be just a theory, but I get the feeling that those who do so for "moral reasons" or acceptance/reputation might tend to be more intolerant than those who do so for spiritual, cultural, or clinical reasons (As in actually a doctor told them to cut meat from their diet for a while)

In my opinion I am against animal abuse but I also eat meat. The way in which I manage to combine these apparently uncompatible comcepts is that I believe killing an animal for food is part of the way nature is, but treating the animals raised for meat as worthless walking chicken nuggets is wrong. If you treat the animal like a king, once it is sacrificed and turned into food the meat will be healthier and the animal will have a good life even if it was short.
Wil Wheaton and Ashly Burch BTFO
https://supernerdland.com/performance-matters-interview-with-veteran-voice-actress-lani-minella/

Q:
"If you could talk to them directly, what would you say to people like Wil Wheaton, and Ashly Burch who are spearheading the calls to strike?"

Lani Minella:
"Get a life. Get a grip. You have no idea what you’re talking about. I’m glad to discuss issues with any actor since I’ve been on all sides of the fence, as a casting director, director, producer, game designer, creative director, voice actor, writer, etc.

Most VO actors, especially union ones, are not aware of how much the client has to pay a payroll company to pay the basic scale check. Many of those “celebs” complaining get way more than scale. If you don’t like that work, stay out of it. Leave it to those who are better suited for it. The claim that a client will fine a talent $2500 for being inattentive?! Paleeze. That never happens and a pro talent should NEVER BE INATTENTIVE anyway. You are hired to hit the ground running when you do voice work. Not sit in your trailor between scenes, stuff your face at the Kraft table or wait hours while they reverse light the set or do your make up. And all the other claims don’t hold water either. I think the union is making stuff up. Also I know union signatory developers who are not even being invited to the bargaining table. SO HOW FAIR IS THAT?

The BOARD of SAG AFTRA decides on everything regardless of how their members vote.

This is why the Equity Board is being sued by theater actors because the union board decided to demand that theater actors who normally don’t get paid anything to work small venues, should get minimum wage even if the theater has 99 seats or less. Time for the union and its members to get a reality check and cope with the real world instead of making all these demands.

Most games don’t have a long shelf life, and residuals for TV shows and movies are tracked every time they are shown. This is not possible in games."
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monkeydelarge: It is too bad, too many people in India still believe in that caste system bullshit.
Legally speaking its abolished, but some rural areas remain untouched and that is where most of it happens and it is retained in important documents for validating appeals for quotas. In mainstream society, it doesn't have much pull at all aside from people insisting not to marry inter-caste, which leaves smaller population castes in a difficult position but no discrimination and the other nasty stuff.
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homaretz: Wil Wheaton and Ashly Burch BTFO
https://supernerdland.com/performance-matters-interview-with-veteran-voice-actress-lani-minella/

Q:
"If you could talk to them directly, what would you say to people like Wil Wheaton, and Ashly Burch who are spearheading the calls to strike?"

Lani Minella:
"Get a life. Get a grip. You have no idea what you’re talking about. I’m glad to discuss issues with any actor since I’ve been on all sides of the fence, as a casting director, director, producer, game designer, creative director, voice actor, writer, etc.

Most VO actors, especially union ones, are not aware of how much the client has to pay a payroll company to pay the basic scale check. Many of those “celebs” complaining get way more than scale. If you don’t like that work, stay out of it. Leave it to those who are better suited for it. The claim that a client will fine a talent $2500 for being inattentive?! Paleeze. That never happens and a pro talent should NEVER BE INATTENTIVE anyway. You are hired to hit the ground running when you do voice work. Not sit in your trailor between scenes, stuff your face at the Kraft table or wait hours while they reverse light the set or do your make up. And all the other claims don’t hold water either. I think the union is making stuff up. Also I know union signatory developers who are not even being invited to the bargaining table. SO HOW FAIR IS THAT?

The BOARD of SAG AFTRA decides on everything regardless of how their members vote.

This is why the Equity Board is being sued by theater actors because the union board decided to demand that theater actors who normally don’t get paid anything to work small venues, should get minimum wage even if the theater has 99 seats or less. Time for the union and its members to get a reality check and cope with the real world instead of making all these demands.

Most games don’t have a long shelf life, and residuals for TV shows and movies are tracked every time they are shown. This is not possible in games."
Its the voice actor strike right? Many responses seemed muted, obviously since not many people know the exact conditions under which VG voice actors work in.
Post edited November 04, 2015 by Shadowstalker16
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Fifacoinsdiy: reports Kotaku.
Its a social justice spambot!
Get out dat tinfoil : http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2015/11/04/feminists-are-trying-to-frame-linus-torvalds-for-sexual-assault-claims-open-source-industry-veteran/
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monkeydelarge: The USA is a big country. There are places here where it is socially acceptable to be a vegan and places where being a vegan will get you skinned alive(not literally). Here is hint. All the places where they hate homeless people, hate gay people, hate socialism is also where they hate vegans. You can also tell you are somewhere being a vegan is not accepted if you hear things like "Obama is the devil." or people complaining about liberals or democrats or people talking about "God".
Lol, I'm sure this is quite true. I live in a happy liberal northern state (tucked in between two of the most conservative northern states) in a college town, so the only times I get exposed to any of that hate (even though they'll twist it around using mental gymnastics to mean a reflection of god's love) is at my parent's house, hahahaha.

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Shadowstalker16: Yes; many people are vegetarian / only meat they is eat fish due to religious reasons. Jains and Buddhists obviously don't eat meat. People of ''higher castes'' among Hindus (except Bengalis who somehow count fish as vegetarian) don't eat meat at all but people of ''lower castes'' do. But many people among the ''lower castes'' are also vegetarian, like I am.

Most of it is religiously motivated but is still kinda rational since meat oftentimes isn't kept and maintained properly and vegetables bought off the street or in supermarkets are more likely to be safer to eat than meat is. Ofc meat served at good restaurants is safe, but meat bought in small road-side shops needn't be properly maintained.

Personally I can eat it if I want to as long as don't bring it home but never felt the need to risk eating badly kept stuff and never felt the need to spend so much and go to a good restaurant or fast food outlet to buy good stuff.

And recently, there have been some very controversial stuff regrading beef and banning beef. It is actually banned in some states and has been for quite some time. But there seemed to be a bit of a push from the government about banning it in new places, and a guy was beaten to death over eating beef by extremists (is what they would be but kinda more like a disorganized mob than an organization out to do this).

Yup, some people are quite overly sensitive about it.
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monkeydelarge: It is too bad, too many people in India still believe in that caste system bullshit.
It is too bad, but they believe in it because it exists.
Post edited November 04, 2015 by vulchor
I don't understand this. What "reason" is there for these Social Vengeance Warrior (there doesn't seem to be any "justice" to this) to try to force anyone out the open source community much less trying to frame someone for a crime?

I mean, It's open source if your code is "up to code" it can be used
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Rusty_Gunn: I don't understand this. What "reason" is there for these Social Vengeance Warrior (there doesn't seem to be any "justice" to this) to try to force anyone out the open source community much less trying to frame someone for a crime?

I mean, It's open source if your code is "up to code" it can be used
They want to make proof that the ''tech'' industry is muh-soggy-knees so they can enforce their quotas or whatever.
Post edited November 05, 2015 by Shadowstalker16
Guinness changes 256 year-old recipe to appease vegans:

http://www.newser.com/story/215448/guinness-tweaks-256-year-old-recipe-to-appease-vegans.html?utm_source=part&utm_medium=foxnews&utm_campaign=rss_health_rel

Edit: Link should work now.
Post edited November 05, 2015 by TARFU
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TARFU: Guinness changes 256 year-old recipe to appease vegans:

[url=]http://www.newser.com/story/215448/guinness-tweaks-256-year-old-recipe-to-appease-vegans.html?utm_source=part&utm_medium=foxnews&utm_campaign=rss_health_rel[/url]
The link does not works.

But if true why the vegans does not drink other type of drinks? Or appeal to have a vegan version of the drink instead of stopping the production of non vegan drinks entirely?

But some google show it is just some filter process they are changing, not the ingredients in the recipe for the drink, so not sure if it would change the taste of the drink.
Well, some vegans are people who pursue it only for justifying their assumed moral superiority; and I'm not surprised they call for changes to everything for them rather than an option for a vegan way and trusting the people who want to go that route will take that route voluntarily and of their own free will.
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Shadowstalker16: Well, some vegans are people who pursue it only for justifying their assumed moral superiority; and I'm not surprised they call for changes to everything for them rather than an option for a vegan way and trusting the people who want to go that route will take that route voluntarily and of their own free will.
and this is why vegans should be tortured and shot like religious people and extreme feminists. Always making life miserable for the majority.
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Shadowstalker16: Well, some vegans are people who pursue it only for justifying their assumed moral superiority; and I'm not surprised they call for changes to everything for them rather than an option for a vegan way and trusting the people who want to go that route will take that route voluntarily and of their own free will.
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darthspudius: and this is why vegans should be tortured and shot like religious people and extreme feminists. Always making life miserable for the majority.
Yeah but its not all and not most of them. And at least their arguments have some moral basis like trying ti minimize suffering. AFAIK veganism isn't about a healthier alternative as much as minimizing suffering as much as possible. So they have principles like not using leather, not using animal tested drugs aside from not killing animals for food.

Ofc their message is twisted even more by organizations like PETA that equals ''ethical treatment'' as killing so perfectly healthy animals so they don't ''get abused'' when in reality they would've lived a normal feral life on the streets instead of their pro-killing shelters. PETA is a great example of an organization that pushes veganism but is just a group of radical abusers who don't really care about suffering as much as killing animals. What I'm saying is that its been co-opted by many idiots and don't be as swift to judge them for it.
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darthspudius: and this is why vegans should be tortured and shot like religious people and extreme feminists. Always making life miserable for the majority.
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Shadowstalker16: Yeah but its not all and not most of them. And at least their arguments have some moral basis like trying ti minimize suffering. AFAIK veganism isn't about a healthier alternative as much as minimizing suffering as much as possible. So they have principles like not using leather, not using animal tested drugs aside from not killing animals for food.

Ofc their message is twisted even more by organizations like PETA that equals ''ethical treatment'' as killing so perfectly healthy animals so they don't ''get abused'' when in reality they would've lived a normal feral life on the streets instead of their pro-killing shelters. PETA is a great example of an organization that pushes veganism but is just a group of radical abusers who don't really care about suffering as much as killing animals. What I'm saying is that its been co-opted by many idiots and don't be as swift to judge them for it.
It is cute on paper but. But if they're created by us, owned by us, we should do as we please with them. They are bred for a purpose and that purpose is what they should be used for. Looking after creatures in the wild is a totally different matter mind you. I respect wild life and those that do their best to conserve it. They just do not think practically. Choosing decisions with their hearts not their heads.
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Shadowstalker16: Yeah but its not all and not most of them. And at least their arguments have some moral basis like trying ti minimize suffering. AFAIK veganism isn't about a healthier alternative as much as minimizing suffering as much as possible. So they have principles like not using leather, not using animal tested drugs aside from not killing animals for food.

Ofc their message is twisted even more by organizations like PETA that equals ''ethical treatment'' as killing so perfectly healthy animals so they don't ''get abused'' when in reality they would've lived a normal feral life on the streets instead of their pro-killing shelters. PETA is a great example of an organization that pushes veganism but is just a group of radical abusers who don't really care about suffering as much as killing animals. What I'm saying is that its been co-opted by many idiots and don't be as swift to judge them for it.
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darthspudius: It is cute on paper but. But if they're created by us, owned by us, we should do as we please with them. They are bred for a purpose and that purpose is what they should be used for. Looking after creatures in the wild is a totally different matter mind you. I respect wild life and those that do their best to conserve it. They just do not think practically. Choosing decisions with their hearts not their heads.
Its their decision to follow and if they feel better about knowing they contributed a little less to what they see as morally reprehensible, they're free to do it. People only get annoyed when they try to impose their opinions on suffering (which are subjective, or in some cases is actual cruelty) on other people's opinions (which are also subjective but they can hold it if they want to). Basically, they can believe what they want and non-vegans can as well but the bad rap veganism gets is when some people just go on a ''holier than thou'' attitude and tries to bend what is ultimately still their opiniopn and not law as the standard for everyone else.