OK so looked up more and the main allegation being raised is that Lizzy quoted the glassdoor reviews word for word and hence the anon sources are not actually real but are LIzzy's accounts on glassdoor and twitter.
Here is a debunking from KiA : https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3n7op2/the_claims_against_lizs_star_citizen_article_are/
Points being :
-https://np.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3n6ti6/unverified_update_on_the_escapist_starcitizen/cvlewq9
-Lawyers verified the identity of the anon speakers before the articles went up

So she used anons as a source and her words were similar to the glassdoor reviews; but I don't see any more unethical-ness from her part beyond being slightly one sided and using anonymous sources which many other game journos use and still use.

Except people within gg crowd have in fact responded to (the few) legit threats and harassment from within.

And if anyone claims everyone within gg likes everyone within gg, you are wrong and not paying attention.





(Also, have you guys seen the latest few Salon articles? Shits crazy yo)

Indeed, I keep hearing allegations of harassment by GG folks, but I haven't really seen any to write home about. It's mostly a strawman that the aGG folks like to erect because their position has so little merit to it. If they couldn't cite a few anonymous trolls that are likely just trolling, they wouldn't even have that.

Some clarification on the sources used in the Star Citizen article:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/14727-The-Escapist-Explains-Its-Star-Citizen-Sources-Vetting-and-Respo

The escapist seems quite open to let people see on what basis the article was made.

"Our job was to present both sides and let you, the reader, make your own determination."

Saw this on /r/gaming, felt like something that would fit in this thread.

Gone Home dev bans a user from Steam forum for saying that it was mediocre.

U.N. also got rid of the report.

what was that? you called escapist removing it horrible, even though its still there? Then what about this?

Did I call the removal (that indeed didn't happen) horrible?

Oh wait, I didn't. Classy as usual.

It would have been ethical of the Escapist to not even publish it in the first place, hoping for Roberts to respond to the article originally published in an entirely one-sided form, then skilllessly working his response into the article (without his consent, of course), obviously leaving out the parts Fogarty felt uncomfortable with. Ethics failure on ethics failure here.

Speaking of which, the UN report on cyberviolence was exactly that, an atrocious ethics failure well deserving of removal.

Anti prostitution and anti video games agenda shoehorned into a report that should have nothing at all to do with it.

In that respect, you may thank Quinn and Sarkeesian for keeping marvellous form at the "cyberviolence" thing. They expressly never spoke about games, gamers or gamergate at that panel. Quinn passionately defended online anonymity and Sarkeesian expressed hope for a self regulated internet in which awareness is key.

You could not in your wildest dreams have hoped for better UN speakers to keep gaming out of the discussion and to address the problem of harassment without advocating the loss of online freedom. Surprise: Gamers and internet enthusiasts speaking. Your cultural peers, in a sense.

As to Quinn's opinion on the report that was typed and printed when that panel started, well, no surprises, gentlemen.
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/im-disappointed-zoe-quinn-speaks-out-on-un-cyberviolence-report

If the US happens to be going for internet censorship right now, you can thank the kind folks over at 4chan for their alleged encouragement of the latest shooter, and you may thank the tendency of US politics to find a whole lot of fault with just about anything but their gun laws.

Hardly anyone listens to the UN anyway.

But, hey, now that the report is removed, the KiA hoodlums can continue to lie about the entirely fictitious Quinn involvement in the report! Isn't that like totally great?

Stay classy!

That's it for October I guess. You've been plenty busy with the downvotes - sorrry for trying to talk about ethics in journalism. I know, it's just not what this thread is about.

Every word I've written about the glassdoor reviews eight hours ago remains factual.

The accusations were first published on glassdoor, and the very same accusations, partly word for word, were worked into Fogarty's article. Those are the facts of the case. I have made no statement about whether I thought these accusations were either just repeated by the same people, as Fogarty claims, or taken by Fogarty from the glassdoor website.

However, I do find it interesting how Fogarty manages to condense Skype conversations that allegedly lasted over an hour into accusations that are so strikingly similar to the glassdoor reviews the ex-employees have supposedly written up days later.

Correct, "cyberviolence" sounds like something from an 80s movie that tries hard to sound hip. *sigh*. However, I don't think it was necessary for Harper to mention that explicitly before tearing into the ample problems with the report itself.

Yeah, "women and girls". I would have welcomed a broader spectrum, but there it is. Not surprisingly, Quinn's own prevention program doesn't have such a narrow focus. Now, I understand that women and girls deal with certain special and definitely targeted attacks, and deserve our special attention. Yet talking about cyberviolence in such an extremely broad (and, concerning the report, off topic) way, yet cutting out half of the population, that didn't sit right with me. Men are attacked as well, and when we define what abuse and harassment is, we can't just define it for women and girls. At the very least in those first steps, we need a broader perspective.

I thoroughly disagree with your not-the-real-life perspective though. The internet is part of real life, harassment on the internet is equally real, and the reaction to abuse and harassment is NOT to just stay out of the internet. Of course, that particularly applies to people who have built a social circle on the net, and those who actually WORK there. In the context of gamergate, y'know, the argument would be "hey game dev, you can stay off twitter if it's too much for you". You will understand that this is not a solution, it is in fact part of the problem.

Don't know what you're talking about, but Schafer trying to make games for his daughter is not exactly "feminism". Also, I don't know what Whedon you had respect for, but he's been drinking the feminist beer for quite a few decades now.

And fuck it, "SJW types" is even Totalbiscuit speak, bah. To be found like that in his first famously rabble rousing post on Quinn last August. Honestly, who needs that. Go wash your mouth with soap, young man.

Believe it or not, I actually upvoted a few of your posts. While I really don't agree with you and I often don't like your tone, I find the knee-jerk downvoting of your posts inappropriate.

I wish there was a feature that disabled the rep-System in controversial topics.

Thanks for the motherboards link. My mouth fell open. Maybe I've been out of touch with things for too long, I have a family and fulltime job.

Just a few thoughts: "Cyberviolence" is a bad, dumb bullshit word. There are enough words like bullying, harassment, even abuse. Cyberviolence is watering down the word violence - which should be a strong word for real physical actions. It's the same like the word "rape" becomes belittled by calling every little thing rape (like abusive remarks, "undressing with the eyes" whatever). Things like don't help the victims of real violence (or rape) at all - on the contrary.
I don't want to belittle the abuse than can happen online - but it's mobbing, harassment, whatever, and nobody ends up beaten to death or with broken bones. And you always can turn the computer off, stay off twitter, facebook, whatsapp. It's not like you're cornered by 20 bald-headed muscular drunks who want your blood (or virginity).

The next thing is this. "Women and girls", really? And the 14yo boy that commits suicide after online abuse is nvm? Or the 40yo male teacher who loses job, family, life after being denounced as a "pedo" by some disgruntled kid with a vengeance?
The world, the internet - they're full of assholes and people are being abused, harassed, denounced, shamed by those people. People, not "women and girls". Wtf...

That's just rich...
You claiming to talk about ethics in journalism when you get all the facts wrong...
Just look at your first post in the matter and how so many of your claims just fell apart...

Your glassdoor conspiracy theory...COMPLETELY DEBUNKED!
Conclusively demonstrate the likelihood of an anonymous twitter account...I don't have to say anything here...
The Escapist taking down their own article...WRONG!

Yet somehow you make the claim you are talking about ethics in journalism?

But hey, I'm sure you'll talk about this "great" post of yours months from now and how people keep ignoring the "great" points you bring up. Maybe if you'd actually say anything true or relevant, it would be a different story.

Instead you pepper your posts with insults, make up your own ridiculous meaningless conspiracy theories, quote aGG luminaries and claim everything they say is true....

Yup, quite the pursuit of ethics...

You stand by your glassdoor claim? You are just full of it...
Here's your quote, Vain...
"In the following week, for some reason half a dozen negative employer reviews pop up on glassdoor.com. Their voluminous anonymous accusations – including, but not limited to, clear cut racism – are worked into a new article of Fogarty's."

The Escapist's response completely and totally debunked your claim, giving times and dates and all that...
Try again...

It's obvious what you did though...
You saw Chris Roberts criticizing a supporter of Gamergate and chose to take every word he said as Gospel. Clearly he made, and you repeated, some of his poorly founded accusations...

And your usual distortions of the truth...
"I have made no statement about whether I thought these accusations were either just repeated by the same people, as Fogarty claims, or taken by Fogarty from the glassdoor website.

However, I do find it interesting how Fogarty manages to condense Skype conversations that allegedly lasted over an hour into accusations that are so strikingly similar to the glassdoor reviews the ex-employees have written up days later."

Don't those two statements contradict one another? Clearly, you are implying you don't believe Fogarty actually had these lengthy conversations over Skype. You imply you believe Fogerty doxxed Chris Robert's daughter.

It's not surprising how you attempt to weasel and twist this story which happens to be well-sourced into something that belongs on Deep Freeze...

The scary thing is, that people like Roberts, Schafer, Whedon, whom I used to have respect for and considered intelligent, reflecting people, are drinking the "feminist" kool-aid. "Feminist" in quotation marks because I think those SJW types (sorry Vain) a a long way from what feminism (as I understand it) is really about.

I've considered myself "feminist" for most of my adult life, just because it is IMO just a part of being "humanist" - believing that all people deserve equal chances and "pursuit of happiness". And I think there are still remnants of "culture" or "traditions" (mostly rooted in old Christianity) that are holding women back even in the western world and I'd like to see this changed. [Side note But there are also things where men are at a disadvantage (like i.e. custody) and those need to change too.]
Thing is, I really hesitate to describe myself as "feminist" nowadays, because of all the hate spewing people that have occupied the word. It's become a swastika of some sort, a former symbol of good luck and good intentions turned foul by radicals.

Sort of the same situation for me. But once you start digging deep enough you realize that the problem with modern feminism was the result of branches of feminism that existed ever since its inception. They were like a cancer, and the patient is terminal now.

Honestly I don't mind a big nose (I find the Gerudo pirates attractive, so maybe it is a personal thing) and I have seen far more horrible things called beautyful byt the SJW/PC crowd, for example the morbidly obese.

On the thing about trans community and dildos, I insist, tras people are dellusional, the harmless ones are functional, but these ones make sure everyone rejects them.
And yes, I know they are not supposed to be sex toys, still totally wrong. As if it was normal for children to be trans. It is downright children brainwashing.

Goodish news on the Lizzyf620 thing; they're pursuing legal action against The Escapist. So the case will be decided based on all the evidence. If the courts find her guilty it would set a precedent for bad journalism which will probably be used liberally until someone disproves it and if the piece was fair, we can have a court decision saying so.

EDIT: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14979-Chairmans-Response-To-The-Escapist