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Shadowstalker16: Sigh.......They come with one more harassment group narrative, I'm lending a few hands in the next email campaigns.
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Vainamoinen: I see you have identified the guilty "party" based on no evidence at all, and are ready for activism because of that identification.

But you are wrong...
https://twitter.com/lemukitsune_122/status/549849884761665536

And, uhhh, while we're at it...
https://twitter.com/DJCPI/status/632681836506910720

It's quite, quite obvious what the bomb threats and doxxes SHOULD teach people instead... the people who just want to see the world burn are unlikely to be your direct ideological opponents.
Where did I say I held journos RESPONSIBLE? I said I'd join email campaigns if they crap out another poorly researched article painting one side as the harassers (when the problem clearly exists on both).
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Really many aGG are claiming gg did it to break up the panel, because they were failing?
Something tells me they weren't watching. GG wasn't failing (fairly easy when you have pro, neutral and one somewhat anti mod). It was ggs big chance, gg had been looking forward to it and while Milo was being Milo, it was going very well for gg altogether.
By the way, threats also came in before the start. And why would gg want to sabotage the chance they've been asking from the start?

Seriously if any journo now dares to claim GG doesn't care about ethics and doesn't want to talk at all, they are willfully being ignorant and blinding themselves towards facts.
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dragonbeast: Seriously if any journo now dares to claim GG doesn't care about ethics and doesn't want to talk at all, they are willfully being ignorant and blinding themselves towards facts.
Which is the real victory. Crumbling the narrative.
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Shadowstalker16: Sigh.......They come with one more harassment group narrative, I'm lending a few hands in the next email campaigns.
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Vainamoinen: I see you have identified the guilty "party" based on no evidence at all, and are ready for activism because of that identification.

But you are wrong...
https://twitter.com/lemukitsune_122/status/549849884761665536

And, uhhh, while we're at it...
https://twitter.com/DJCPI/status/632681836506910720

It's quite, quite obvious what the bomb threats and doxxes SHOULD teach people instead... the people who just want to see the world burn are unlikely to be your direct ideological opponents.
What is quite obvious is that if videogames were so heteropatriarchal and violent the world should be burned long time ago, instead we are comtemplating an age of bored people trying to "change the world" through pop culture comfortable sit down at home, meanwhile they participate in bloody dangerous "internet doxing harrashing wars", without any doubt, HEROES!

And the most funny thing about all these internet DANGERS, is that soon or later someone will start to put more and more fences to the garden, later you all will complain about "freedom", but you are all very easy to eat the bait.
Post edited August 16, 2015 by YaTEdiGo
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dragonbeast: Really many aGG are claiming gg did it to break up the panel, because they were failing?
People are hypothesizing that the bomb threats resulted from within 4chan/8chan culture - something I find likely; but that could mean just about anything as to the pointed finger. Having fun in just seeing the world burn and all that is not what I'd assess the primary problem with gamergate supporters.

Remember 8chan's reaction to the Lizzy doxx... "not a lolcow worthy of raiding"... there's no alignment visible, at all, with anyone or any ideology. It's activism for the sake of activism. Which really sounds just like the shit that was pulled yesterday.

Obviously enough, the Airplay discussion didn't yield any new 'facts' that would shed new light on the situation, particularly not for the people not present at the panel. So the whole idea that the bomb threat was a direct reaction to concrete things said in the meeting is pretty damn unlikely. If I understand correctly, there also was quite some delay between actual threat and police reaction, so good luck finding the final argument that may or may not have triggered the terrorist (and that's what he or she is).
Post edited August 16, 2015 by Vainamoinen
You do know that 8chan has many boards like reddit right? Only one or two in there are realted to gaming, the biggest being GGHQ. The other might as well be on another planet. So you can't take a statement and take it as the opinion of the whole of 8chan. While the plans probably came from channers, there is no ''chan culture'' to speak of. Again, the boards on there are too sick to agree with eachother, let alone have a ''culture'' beyond merely trying to offend as much as possible.

Airplay wasn't supposed to lead to any new facts being revealed. The facts were there from this time last year, and so were the arguments. So far, NO ONE was willing to hear the arguments and look at the facts. Airplay was basically a program to get GG onto a platform where it could share its side, and in that it has been successful. A local news outlet has already picked up on it and are accepting GG articles as long as they aren't crazy. At least 5 have been published in the last 48 hours.
The person was probably the same guy who threatened it when the afternoon session started. After he / she saw they weren't doing anything they informed the more alert people at a local newspaper and the PD, and they came to evacuate. The threat was there from the beginning, it was just communicated to the PD later.
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Vainamoinen: People are hypothesizing that the bomb threats resulted from within 4chan/8chan culture - something I find likely
A year or so when Anita Sarkeesian got that bomb threads before her talk, there were people hypothesizing that it resulted from within the miltant feminist/SJW culture, because Sarkeesian has some real financial interest as being portrait as a victim. Boy where those people shamed, blamed and being put down as women haters for even suggesting something like this – it's interesting to see how opinions about blaming some undefined group without any evidence can change if it suddenly fits.
(To be clear: I myself am not suggesting Sarkeesian made that threads herself because, well, I simply don't know.)
Post edited August 17, 2015 by FrasierWCrane
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Vainamoinen: People are hypothesizing that the bomb threats resulted from within 4chan/8chan culture - something I find likely
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FrasierWCrane: A year or so when Anita Sarkeesian got that bomb threads before her talk, there were people hypothesizing that it resulted from within the miltant feminist/SJW culture, because Sarkeesian has some real financial interest as being portrait as a victim. Boy where those people shamed, blamed and being put down as women haters for even suggesting something like this – it's interesting to see how opinions about blaming some undefined group without any evidence can change if it suddenly fits.
(To be clear: I myself am not suggesting Sarkeesian made that threads herself because, well, I simply don't know.)
I doubt she did, but the cow does tend to milk it for whatever it's worth. Same goes for Zoe Quinn, the stupid bitch was on the cover of Parade magazine. Right now she's pulling in like $3.8k a month from patreon on the basis that she's a women that internet people are being mean to.

Never mind that she spent a fair amount of time cultivating the hatred and that her "game" won on the basis of corruption rather than merits.
Polygon finally put something up on the bomb threat. Kind of crazy how so many people completely missed the doxxing element of things, but at least they covered something. There are some issues, though, like how they bring up allegations of us making similar bomb threats without any citation (and looking back through their other "reporting" on such threats, they only seem to bring up allegations from the other side when they're not beneficial to us—I think we all know that they'd be accused of victim blaming otherwise, but of course it doesn't count when they do it to us). Still, beggars can't be choosers, and there's nothing too egregiously wrong with it.

And predictably, NeoGAF had a thread spring from Polygon's story that's truly disgusting. So much willful ignorance. So many double standards. So many completely off-base allegations (apparently we're all politically conservative MRAs and neo-Nazis—this is an actual claim someone made). If you'll excuse me, I need to go weep for humanity.
abridged SPJ for the interested
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Literary masterpiece from GamerGhazi : http://i.imgur.com/qlCKuGg.png
Quotes selected by KiA :

''In the case of social justice, many people value the voice of the privileged ally over the voice of the oppressed person. From comments such as “I support feminism, but not all men do x” to “I think generalizing cis people is unhelpful”, such statements help to perpetuate injustice and silencing.''

''The unsaid implication is “I support the concept of BlackLivesMatter, but I wish the black activists who interrupted Sanders were not so rude about it” and “I am not racist, but I think it is problematic that the black people decide to call out the white person speaking on their behalf.”

And this is a moderator addressing the whole subreddit mind you, not some shitposter; and the link provides proof that the other mods agree with this piece. So no rouge mod, no shitpost, no troll; just asking people to be more extreme and more racist in the name of anti-racism.

EDIT: edited out the last statement. Sould've read read the posts better.
Post edited August 17, 2015 by Shadowstalker16
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Shadowstalker16: ''Ghazi, you're not being racist enough to effectively fight racism. The only way to combat stereotyping is by making sure we all agree with stereotypes!''
Just in case anyone gets confused, that one is someone paraphrasing the general gist of the thing rather than being a direct quote. Anyway, yeah, not surprised; everything is racist/sexist/problematic to someone these days, and it's not like we didn't already know Ghazi is moderated by and designed for die-hard offendatrons. Those antis are so anti that they make our resident antis look like pros.

Lawd. This past year has given me an entire new vocabulary.

This whole "the person who feels persecuted gets to decide what is and isn't racism/sexism/whatever" thing we've seen over the past year is absurd, by the way. You couldn't ask for a more biased party than the person whose feelings are hurt, which is why we get ridiculous things like that "unconscious racism" that's apparently little more than not listening to enough black voices to check the this-is-not-racism-box in some people's minds. Totally irrelevant to GG, but it's annoying how feelings have become the determiner of what is and isn't problematic (shiver) rather than intent.
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Shadowstalker16: ''Ghazi, you're not being racist enough to effectively fight racism. The only way to combat stereotyping is by making sure we all agree with stereotypes!''
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227: Just in case anyone gets confused, that one is someone paraphrasing the general gist of the thing rather than being a direct quote. Anyway, yeah, not surprised; everything is racist/sexist/problematic to someone these days, and it's not like we didn't already know Ghazi is moderated by and designed for die-hard offendatrons. Those antis are so anti that they make our resident antis look like pros.

Lawd. This past year has given me an entire new vocabulary.

This whole "the person who feels persecuted gets to decide what is and isn't racism/sexism/whatever" thing we've seen over the past year is absurd, by the way. You couldn't ask for a more biased party than the person whose feelings are hurt, which is why we get ridiculous things like that "unconscious racism" that's apparently little more than not listening to enough black voices to check the this-is-not-racism-box in some people's minds. Totally irrelevant to GG, but it's annoying how feelings have become the determiner of what is and isn't problematic (shiver) rather than intent.
Oh tell me about it, like "Microaggressions" for one.
Post edited August 17, 2015 by Rusty_Gunn
Someone needs to be really dumb to believe in "bomb threats" related to game industry and raging gamers, whatever is the threat was real or an invention of Sarkesian. (But still good to make her income and awareness became better.)

The most sad thing is not the sadly people not related to gaming culture that demonized gaming before, and they will do it again believing these warriors of digital justice (one of the most ridiculuous "social" movements ever), is the people that is related to game industry defending these con artists and their dramas, you are making your hobby a worse place to be.

Years ago we been nerds, and geeks, bullied and ridiculized by everyone for do something different, now that everyone plays, and that is a normal thing, in a hobby where almost everyone is a normal person, now is the time for politics and genders on videogames, suuuuure, because changing the world in videogames with my ass in the sofa eating Doritos is far easier.
Post edited August 17, 2015 by YaTEdiGo
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YaTEdiGo: Years ago we been nerds, and geeks, bullied and ridiculized by everyone for do something different, now that everyone plays, and that is a normal thing, in a hobby where almost everyone is a normal person, now is the time for politics and genders on videogames, suuuuure, because changing the world in videogames with my ass in the sofa eating Doritos is far easier.
Never forget about the Dew bro.