Narakir: I know, but you have to admit that the more moderate people who did some good attempts to open a discussion like TB, usually doesn't get as much attention and gets twice the same crap in return. The main issue is that both sides are such a non-substantial gathering of individuals that they become extremely easy to overgeneralize. They're both doing just the same thing, what you just said here :
Dehumanizing the "enemy" by denying them their individuality, throwing conspiracies around calling each other fascists/nazis/drones/whatever, its so convenient and simple after all.
Shadowstalker16: Of course. TB and really anyone big on the scene like Jim Sterling will be painted with a broad stroke of either ''with'' or ''against'' by both sides; unless they sacrifice their opinion and just ignore it like Angry Joe. There are legit people who hate or dislike them for other reasons, but the biggest voices against TB are aGG, and Jim kinda made more enemies here in that GGers won't talk bad about him the level aGGs speak of TB but I feel some in the aGG also really hate him AND he has the random trolls always trying to out him as an $JW because they're stunned that he's the only aGG with any ounce of integrity and credibility that they want it gone.
I respect individuality of aGG folks and there are some aGG who fall don't into the class of ''us or them'' misogyny or misandry mindset. However, I've posted what I think a long number of pages back and most of aGG's behavior shows symptoms of group-think. The drive to self-censorship like the lashing of Wu and Cheong, the excessive support of proven wrong theories and the idolizing nature to its supporters like Randi and Anita all shows individuality isn't very respected in the hive. I'm not trying to dehumanize them as much as just claiming they're actually like that.
Now that you mention Cheong, in the end he left aGG and claimed they are wrong, that for me is enough evidence to know who is right in the argument. I mean, how often do you see prominent or even anonimous proGG people saying proGG is wrong and leaving forever? But it is not that rare to see aGG people attacking each other, abandoning aGG, and claiming aGG is wrong. Atually during the begining of this year I saw many blog posts in which aGG people explained why they could no longer support aGG or SJWs in general. It is not rare to see former feminists realizing they were wrong, sometimes even joining MRAs, but it is rare to see an MRA abandoning or even joining feminists.
One is capable of seing which side is wrong based on the rates of defection and betrayal, as well as the rate at which the opposing side gains followers.
I will tell you something, I used to be neutral until aGG pushed me to the pro side, mostly because I could not side with people who agreede with that corrupt, pathological liar, man hating, pro censorship con artist Anita Sarkeesian.
I guess any aGG poster in this thread should let that sink in, and yes the abuse of the rep system is real. In fact I decided to avoid downvoting posts I slightly disagree with to avoid falling in the same tactics. I will only downvote posts which I strongly disagree with.
