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Posted July 19, 2015
Lol they're attacking GOG now : https://archive.is/MYOwf
https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3drbm3/humor_a_person_in_aggro_is_now_claiming_that/
I'd say its quite the opposite. So aGG on GOG; do you support this as well?
Posted July 19, 2015
Mrs. Nicky Morgan, British Government's education secretary: Children who say homosexuality is ‘wrong’ to be viewed as extremist threat. I kid you not. (Pun intended.)
Posted July 19, 2015
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noncompliantgame: Mrs. Nicky Morgan, British Government's education secretary: Children who say homosexuality is ‘wrong’ to be viewed as extremist threat. I kid you not. (Pun intended.)
"Terrorists are anti-gay, so anyone anti-gay should be viewed as a potential terrorist," basically.

To which I'd make an equally-nonsensical argument: living in constant terror is exactly what terrorists want (it's the where the word comes from), therefore these people who are advocating that kind of constant suspicion and fear could be considered potential terrorists. Inappropriate usage of the transitive property is fun!
Posted July 19, 2015
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noncompliantgame: Mrs. Nicky Morgan, British Government's education secretary: Children who say homosexuality is ‘wrong’ to be viewed as extremist threat. I kid you not. (Pun intended.)
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227: "Terrorists are anti-gay, so anyone anti-gay should be viewed as a potential terrorist," basically.

To which I'd make an equally-nonsensical argument: living in constant terror is exactly what terrorists want (it's the where the word comes from), therefore these people who are advocating that kind of constant suspicion and fear could be considered potential terrorists. Inappropriate usage of the transitive property is fun!
Well, I see ''terrorist'' as ''misogynist'' and ''sexist'' and other such looney as terms used to dehumanize people you hate so you can go on hating them without stepping over your overly PC moral code. AKA, they aren't hated because they're called(and 99.99999% of the time are clearly not) that, they're called that because they're hated in the first place.

EDIT: and yes, aGG is attacking GOG and encouraging people not to buy from here. They claim harassment and evil and patriarchy and stuff.
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Posted July 19, 2015
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htown1980: Well, not sure anyone is asking anyone else to surrender any rights but I would say the response should be quite the opposite. Turn on your brain, educate yourself, study, research, write peer reviewed reports, read other peer reviewed reports but don't let people who have no idea what they are talking about determine the best medical treatment for someone.
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noncompliantgame: You demonstrate very poor forum etiquette when you seriously alter the meaning or take out of context the post to which you are replying. I think you're making me feel like I'm being harassed and victimized - I genuinely fear for my safety . It may develop into PTSD, over time ...
Well if you do, come back here, I suspect a lot of the people here will have some good medical advice for you on how best to cope with it.
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htown1980: Well, not sure anyone is asking anyone else to surrender any rights but I would say the response should be quite the opposite. Turn on your brain, educate yourself, study, research, write peer reviewed reports, read other peer reviewed reports but don't let people who have no idea what they are talking about determine the best medical treatment for someone.
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Shadowstalker16: The main problem being many medically different conditions being lumped into one gross ''transgender'' tag and anyone who expresses the rightful inquisitiveness to question beyond what the machine spews is transphobic. The current ferocity of the stances adopted by $JWs prevent discussion of real issues related to the subject. By trying to make ''safe spaces'' or whatever, they're pushing people who could've done research or studies out of the discussion and pushing emotionally unstable and entitled hipsters to the helm. We have online movements and advocacy groups already but nothing in the line of concrete address to ethics issues or compensation requirements because anyone trying to bring in anything new will be pushed out and eaten by the cult. Just look at what Tim Hunt. He had his career ruined for jokes. You really think there can be any advancement in the field when the people who are supposed to conduct objective studies are often destroyed for doing it? No one will study into this in-depth until the outrage stops and until the studies come out, the whole subject will be a grey area legally and medically and that just hurts the non-hipster everyday trans people more because they have to work and don't have Patreon to beg to.
I think if you were to look into it a little more, on the medical side of things, you would find there is a lot of research and discussion on the topic. The difficulty you might have is that the vast majority of people who are qualified and have put serious research into this area are in agreement on diagnosis and treatment, and that agreement is very different to what appear to be your views on the subject.
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htown1980: Lots of things have been incorrectly classed as mental disorders over time, you might find this gets reclassified soon as well.

For mine, the crucial point is that even those who consider it is a mental disorder, say that the proper treatment of that condition is to alter the body to match the psychological gender identity. If it is a mental disorder, I don't see why people get so worked up about the treatment of it.
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SusurrusParadox: It's worth pointing out at this point that 'being trans' and 'experiencing gender-related dysphoria' are not the same thing.

Being transgender is not a mental disorder, and gender dysphoria is "simply" a state of distress caused by (effectively) the individual's physical body not matching their sense of self.
That's not an entirely accurate description of gender dysphoria. Its not distress, its discontentment. It comes from the greek word "dysphoros" which basically translates to "difficult to bear". I think you will find there are not too many transgender people who don't have some element of unease or dissatisfaction with the gender that they were assigned at birth.

I agree that being trans is not a mental disorder, but currently, peak medical and psychatric bodies identify gender dysphoria as a mental disorder which is often best treated by undergoing a sex change. If you don't like that, speak to the practitioners who agree on that classification.
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htown1980: I think if you were to look into it a little more, on the medical side of things, you would find there is a lot of research and discussion on the topic. The difficulty you might have is that the vast majority of people who are qualified and have put serious research into this area are in agreement on diagnosis and treatment, and that agreement is very different to what appear to be your views on the subject.
If indeed the people who have looked into it are concluding that it is what your views are and have proof that it is correct, good for everyone because you were were right, I learned something new and the scientists did good. As long as the people who came to this conclusion aren't tumblr dwelling green skrillex headed male genocide supporting hipsters, I'd probably agree with their conclusion. So what exactly is the conclusion they have reached? Is it in your next post? Ie, that gender dysphoria is a treatable mental condition whose treatment is the sex change surgery? Please provide links.
Posted July 19, 2015
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Shadowstalker16: Lol they're attacking GOG now : https://archive.is/MYOwf
https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3drbm3/humor_a_person_in_aggro_is_now_claiming_that/
I'd say its quite the opposite. So aGG on GOG; do you support this as well?
I think they're forgetting that GOG's community is primarily an older crowd who actually grew up with games, and that we can be very skeptical of GOG and the bad practices they claim in their Twitter posts. Regional pricing, that site shutdown PR stunt GOG did, just a number of things that we'd be skeptical of GOG and their screw-ups. But equating GOG to something like a site that gives away personal info for showing an endorsement of TotalBiscuit, what on earth are they thinking? lol GOG only has info that allows them to know what region you reside in, not actual personal info.
Posted July 19, 2015
So aGG defends Gawker so they get stuff like this (NSFW BTW) : https://archive.is/69ZZG#selection-3367.0-3373.80 ?
Kinda voyeuristic if you ask me. I would've said its 10X worse than the ''harassment'' gamergate does on aGG but hey, who's gonna care about details when there is ''swapping tranny pics'' right?
Yet another masterpiece by Nerdnazi Biddle.
Post edited July 19, 2015 by Shadowstalker16
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Shadowstalker16: Well, I see ''terrorist'' as ''misogynist'' and ''sexist'' and other such looney as terms used to dehumanize people you hate so you can go on hating them without stepping over your overly PC moral code. AKA, they aren't hated because they're called(and 99.99999% of the time are clearly not) that, they're called that because they're hated in the first place.
Oh, I don't think there's any question about that being the case here. Us 'Mercans have that kind of "hate first, come up with the reasoning later" stuff down to a fine art. The funny thing is that it used to be just the hyper-religious right indulging in that kind of behavior. Or at least they were the only ones visibly doing so. Horseshoe theory at its finest, really.

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Shadowstalker16: EDIT: and yes, aGG is attacking GOG and encouraging people not to buy from here. They claim harassment and evil and patriarchy and stuff.
Beware the GOGtriarchy! They're so evil that they don't even store your information; they recite it to TB (for his hate army's use, of course) from memory because they're like, super brilliant hacker-types with photographic memories!

I'd say you can't make this kind of stuff up, but they evidently can. It's really too bad most of them use their imaginations for manufacturing internet drama instead of making awesome conspiracy games.
Posted July 19, 2015
aGG believes:
opinion of prominent $JW = fact, opinion of moderate = radical , opinion of radical = radical
Easy to see who's being misrepresented here.
Posted July 19, 2015
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Shadowstalker16: aGG believes:
opinion of prominent $JW = fact, opinion of moderate = radical , opinion of radical = radical
Easy to see who's being misrepresented here.
I don't know about that; generalizations tend to be a wonderful way to alienate and misrepresent wide swaths of people. Let's not forget the role that "Gamers are Dead" generalizations played in starting this whole thing in the first place. Plus I'm sure plenty of the GOG-using antis would be more than willing to distance themselves from the stupidity of the current drama (htown even posted an incredible defense of TB in the promo thread).

If anything, I think it'd behoove us to set aside our (understandable) bitterness from the 11 months of being called a this-and-that-ist and be a bit more understanding to those who disagree with us now that many of these online moral police aren't even trying to disguise what they're doing. If nothing else, it'd be nice to at least have a shared laugh at how quick some people on the internet are to have their feelings hurt by anything and everything. I think we could all use the respite, honestly.
Posted July 19, 2015
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Shadowstalker16: aGG believes:
opinion of prominent $JW = fact, opinion of moderate = radical , opinion of radical = radical
Easy to see who's being misrepresented here.
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227: I don't know about that; generalizations tend to be a wonderful way to alienate and misrepresent wide swaths of people. Let's not forget the role that "Gamers are Dead" generalizations played in starting this whole thing in the first place. Plus I'm sure plenty of the GOG-using antis would be more than willing to distance themselves from the stupidity of the current drama (htown even posted an incredible defense of TB in the promo thread).

If anything, I think it'd behoove us to set aside our (understandable) bitterness from the 11 months of being called a this-and-that-ist and be a bit more understanding to those who disagree with us now that many of these online moral police aren't even trying to disguise what they're doing. If nothing else, it'd be nice to at least have a shared laugh at how quick some people on the internet are to have their feelings hurt by anything and everything. I think we could all use the respite, honestly.
Exactly. I've said this before, but gaming was already very diverse before. They seem to think somehow that from 2010-2104 all the ''minorities'' showed up. There was never any majority of the stereotypical introverted raging basement dwelling teen in the first place. But somehow Leigh Alexander seems to have latched onto the assumption that all gamers who are not ''minorities'' are like that and seem to be antisemitic towards them. I saw htown's post. Good for him / her for looking past the outrage and exercising his / her own right to choose what to consume and who to support.

Ideally, that would be the best outcome and solution. But I don't think some people will be up to it. Consider the mental condition of people like Briana Wu who still sides with antiGG even though they insulted her beyond compare and more or less isolated her from the hive. And she still stays there. And Anita Sarkeesian who still thinks the narrative is having any effect. TBH, aGG is slowing down and withering a bit every day. We have Sam Biddle calling people ''tranny'' and we have the entirety of Gawker's credibility questioned. Peace is the aim, and hopefully the SPJ Airplay will break the narrative and finally instill truth.
Posted July 19, 2015
Nice article on how $JWs are dangerous to freedom : http://thefutureprimaeval.net/socjus-and-ideological-security/
Posted July 19, 2015
You remember that troops vs women game? You remember that it isn't gonna get funded? I'll just leave this here since they didn't seem to notice : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mlcs_QqQxuk
I didn't write it, so I'm not responsible for any ''What did I just watch?''es.
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