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Fesin: Okay, I have no idea if this is the right topic for this, but screw it: Does anybody have any idea how to block Gawker? The shit they pulled now is just fucking disgusting, and I don't want to risk giving them even a tiny bit of ad revenue by for example clicking on a bit.ly link that links to Gawker. They are fucking evil and I think if they make even a single cent out of me, I would feel really guilty.

So, are there any Firefoy plugins that automatically blocks them or somethign similar?
I don't know if this is the right topic for that question, but since ProGG actually boycots gawker your question is related, it would be good to have a plug in for Firefox or Chrome that works similar to a parental control thing, blocking anything from a certain domain.
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htown1980: Who are the dysfunctional people you are referring to? The body of psychologists and physicians who contribute to the ICD-10 CM and the DSM-5? The physicians who comprise the international standards of care revisions committee?

Do you really think because you have met a few "trannies" you are somehow more qualified than the medical and psychological professionals who have dedicated years to studying this issue and discussing and debating with their colleagues how best to deal with it?

Isn't this a classic example of the Dunning Kruger effect?

Isn't the difference that:

1. Permitting you to be go a-pillagin causes harm to others;
2. Permitting transexuals to undergo treatment (be it a sex change, hormone therapy, etc) harms noone and has been demonstrated to help?

Isn't this something that should really be best left to qualified people to look into, rather than the ignorant masses, or as you put it, "the general public"? I mean do we let the general public decide how best to treat depression or cancer or PTSD?

I assume by 'other-kin' you are speaking about what is informally known as species dysphoria?
Isn't the obvious difference that there is no consensus amongst physicians and psychologists as to treatment of that issue (and no consensus that it really is an issue at this stage)?
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SusurrusParadox: Ooh, are we doing the 'otherkin seem ridiculous/crazy so THEREFORE TRANS PEOPLE ARE ALSO "just" CRAZY' thing?
Do I get to point out that Dissociative Identity Disorder is a thing?
That the various 'schizo-' type disorders are a thing?
That psychosis is a thing?
That there are various mental disorders which may manifest as someone identifying so strongly with a real or fictional 'other' that they believe they are partially or wholly that aforementioned 'other' ?

I actually know people with Dissociative Identity Disorder, and it turns out that full-fledged personalities are basically people too.
So there's one body and multiple personalities, and the general purpose of the system is an extreme form of dissociation where the brain experiences trauma and essentially isolates those memories/experiences so that the host personality does not have to live with them.
(Unsurprisingly, such people often have PTSD as well. The DID operates as a defence mechanism.)

General dissociation is that feeling of being 'not quite there' and as if you might float away, or being 'behind/above' your actual body as if you were floating and/or looking on from outside/inside yourself.
Some of you may have experienced something like the above, and it's quite typical; the 'disorder' comes about when it goes into overdrive due to serious traumatic experiences.
(Usually the goal is either reintegration of the memories & personalities with the host... or for the system as a whole to communicate & cooperate in a healthy manner.
Yay psychiatry, right?)
[Bonus points: Because DID is a defence mechanism and frequently misunderstood, you may well have encountered someone that experiences it and not know about it. Spooky~]

Anyways. In relation to the 'otherkin' thing:
Anyone expressing such things in a manner that is not just especially-enthusiastic roleplay should probably (attempt to) be seen by a competent psychiatrist/psychologist, because regardless of the specific underlying cause there is the definite suggestion of that individual feeling the need to leap into some SERIOUS fucking escapism.
(Also people that identify as 'otherkin' often try to hijack trans narratives and that sometimes results in friction with transgender folks.)
Again, being trans is not a disorder in itself, it's the dysphoria that fucks with mood & quality of life.
(Well, that and the bigotry.)
Whereas identifying as non-human [unless you're somehow a cyborg, I guess] is something that should be impossible for a typical human brain.

I hope everyone is better-informed as to mental health and its relation with being transgender now and can stop being flippant wee shits and trying to use Straw Otherkin to malign being trans.
We good? Good.
Carry on.
Finally I found a common ground with you, that "otherkin" thing is not sane at all.
Post edited July 18, 2015 by LeonardoCornejo
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SusurrusParadox: Oh my fucking gods.

Right.
Intersex people are not 'hermaphrodites'.
(So your "medically called" thing is horribly outdated bullshit, for one thing.)
Sex is not binary, plenty of intersex individuals have expressed dissatisfaction & distress over their infant bodies being altered without their consent or having procedures throughout childhood to try and force them to better fit a binary they may not necessarily feel fits them.
Gender is also not binary, hence why 'non-binary' people can exist.
Also gender is partly inherent and partly a social construct (there are core elements that are neurological/hormonal in nature and then there's all the added baggage from sociocultural definitions of applicable genders), so it's not like it's some set-in-stone thing in the first place.

(Note: Gender is not the same as 'sexual orientation'. I'm going to assume that was more of a typographical error than an understanding one, since you do have a slightly better grasp of the whole trans thing than most of the ill-informed in this thread.)
I know, and I know its an outdated term for whatever reason. But the article I liked referred to them (XXY people) as who are (nothing on identifying as) hermaphrodites. If people with XXY sex chromosomes are not hermaphrodites but intersex, what is the difference beyond the terminology?
Gender and sex in mammals is to most of a degree binary. Reproductive development aims to create a baby as either male or female and hormonal or chromosomal alterations / mutations may alter the process. The result isn't any less human.
Gender is a biological construct. Males get their sex organs and females get their sex organs and those sex organs along with the exposure to the sex hormone they were exposed to in the womb determine their biological gender. It will also affect their orientation. Many genetic conditions or hormonal conditions or even just modified exposure to hormones in the womb causes improper distribution of hormones that lead to the brain and the rest of the body having opposite sexual characteristics.
What is a social construct is our interpretation of gender. Gender itself is not socially constructed. Otherwise every society would have different genders. Interpretations of what was and is acceptable are the only differences. Eg; most Celtic men are alleged to have been bi and most Samurai very voluntarily homosexual because cultural perceptions allowed them to do so. Orientation is an element of gender and its interpretation can vary across cultures but gender itself does not vary; is what I'm trying to say. Interpretations of the elements vary, the whole is the same.
I know, orientation is not gender or vice-versa.
Post edited July 18, 2015 by Shadowstalker16
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Fesin: So, are there any Firefoy plugins that automatically blocks them or somethign similar?
It's too bad you don't use Chrome, because GGblocker serves you an archived version of the page that's shared across all users (and if you're the first one to visit that page, you can archive it yourself for everyone else). It's a brilliant little plugin that's served me well for the past few months.

This Reddit post about it had some talk in the comments about a Firefox alternative that lets you redirect away from certain pages. Might be what you're looking for.
The other yellow tabloids are cannibalizing Gawker as well............for gay-shaming and not ethical violations.
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Shadowstalker16: The other yellow tabloids are cannibalizing Gawker as well............for gay-shaming and not ethical violations.
regular media put a tweet from mombot (a known gg supporter) with a link to gamergate.me in their article
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Shadowstalker16: The other yellow tabloids are cannibalizing Gawker as well............for gay-shaming and not ethical violations.
What did they do? I haven't been plugged-in to the happenings of the past few days.

It's a bit terrifying that no one cares about the many ethical things we found and proved regarding Gawker, but everyone jumps to arms over something else. The message seems to be that you can be as terrible and unethical as you want, just so long as you don't say something unpopular.

But again, I don't know what they did this time. Knowing them, I'm sure it was terrible and made angels cry.
Archived yellow stream from Vox : https://archive.is/pM8is

16+ of Gawker's righteous well deserving achievements for neo Nazi child molesting anti $JWs : http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/07/17/here-are-all-the-people-who-should-sue-gawker-media/
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227: This Reddit post about it had some talk in the comments about a Firefox alternative that lets you redirect away from certain pages. Might be what you're looking for.
Thanks, that seemed to work! No more Gawker.
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Shadowstalker16: Test
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SusurrusParadox: Oh my fucking gods.

Right.
Intersex people are not 'hermaphrodites'.
(So your "medically called" thing is horribly outdated bullshit, for one thing.)
Sex is not binary, plenty of intersex individuals have expressed dissatisfaction & distress over their infant bodies being altered without their consent or having procedures throughout childhood to try and force them to better fit a binary they may not necessarily feel fits them.
Gender is also not binary, hence why 'non-binary' people can exist.
Also gender is partly inherent and partly a social construct (there are core elements that are neurological/hormonal in nature and then there's all the added baggage from sociocultural definitions of applicable genders), so it's not like it's some set-in-stone thing in the first place.

(Note: Gender is not the same as 'sexual orientation'. I'm going to assume that was more of a typographical error than an understanding one, since you do have a slightly better grasp of the whole trans thing than most of the ill-informed in this thread.)
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Shadowstalker16: I know, and I know its an outdated term for whatever reason. But the article I liked referred to them (XXY people) as who are (nothing on identifying as) hermaphrodites. If people with XXY sex chromosomes are not hermaphrodites but intersex, what is the difference beyond the terminology?
Gender and sex in mammals is to most of a degree binary. Reproductive development aims to create a baby as either male or female and hormonal or chromosomal alterations / mutations may alter the process. The result isn't any less human.
Gender is a biological construct. Males get their sex organs and females get their sex organs and those sex organs along with the exposure to the sex hormone they were exposed to in the womb determine their biological gender. It will also affect their orientation. Many genetic conditions or hormonal conditions or even just modified exposure to hormones in the womb causes improper distribution of hormones that lead to the brain and the rest of the body having opposite sexual characteristics.
What is a social construct is our interpretation of gender. Gender itself is not socially constructed. Otherwise every society would have different genders. Interpretations of what was and is acceptable are the only differences. Eg; most Celtic men are alleged to have been bi and most Samurai very voluntarily homosexual because cultural perceptions allowed them to do so. Orientation is an element of gender and its interpretation can vary across cultures but gender itself does not vary; is what I'm trying to say. Interpretations of the elements vary, the whole is the same.
I know, orientation is not gender or vice-versa.
... various societies do have different genders though.

Gender is not biological except insofar as the human brain is part of overall biology.
Genitalia != Gender

Sexual orientation is also not at all an element of gender, except insofar as some interpretations of orientation rely on the gender binary to make sense.
(It's a bit hard to say one is 'heterosexual' if they are outwith the binary, since there isn't an 'opposite'.)
[Which is where gyno- and andro- work better, because then the emphasis is on masculine vs feminine, and does not require any notion of opposites/equivalents.]

Also the difference in terminology is that 'hermaphrodite' is mythical and not really based in reality, and kind of dehumanises as a consequence.
Intersex states cover a wide range between what is typically considered 'standard' male/female equipment.
(It's really quite interesting. On the one side there are things like clitoromegaly and on the other there are things like micropenises, with a whole load of other things too.
Diversity is fascinating, & frankly it's a damn shame and kind of monstrous that people feel the need to mutilate babies to make them fit one or other 'ideal'.)
[I hope "child abuse is bad" and "violating the principle of bodily autonomy & consent is bad" are things that every side to this whole clusterfuck can agree on?]


As an aside:
Yeah, Celtic myths and legends (amongst the best indications of cultural conceptualisations) are especially full of bisexual dudes. Also very pretty dudes.
There was also that one Arthurian legend that makes it clear Lancelot is bi' as fuck.
mombot made it

Gawker isnt in an amazing position
Gawker seems to be reeling. A good blow now will prove corruption is not tolerable. Although I wonder, in this dark time if Gawker feels for the many innocents they have defamed, misrepresented and wronged in the name of progressiveness or just for money and compare it how they're being eaten alive by its fellow tabloids for the same outraged hipster's clicks.
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Shadowstalker16: Gawker seems to be reeling. A good blow now will prove corruption is not tolerable. Although I wonder, in this dark time if Gawker feels for the many innocents they have defamed, misrepresented and wronged in the name of progressiveness or just for money and compare it how they're being eaten alive by its fellow tabloids for the same outraged hipster's clicks.
gawker spoke horrible of gg

people start o doubt gawker

will they doubt what they said on gg?

Find out on the next episode of #gamergate
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Shadowstalker16: Gawker seems to be reeling. A good blow now will prove corruption is not tolerable. Although I wonder, in this dark time if Gawker feels for the many innocents they have defamed, misrepresented and wronged in the name of progressiveness or just for money and compare it how they're being eaten alive by its fellow tabloids for the same outraged hipster's clicks.
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dragonbeast: gawker spoke horrible of gg

people start o doubt gawker

will they doubt what they said on gg?

Find out on the next episode of #gamergate
Or the counter narrative by the Professional Victims Unit!
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Shadowstalker16: Test
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SusurrusParadox: Oh my fucking gods.

Right.
Intersex people are not 'hermaphrodites'.
(So your "medically called" thing is horribly outdated bullshit, for one thing.)
Sex is not binary, plenty of intersex individuals have expressed dissatisfaction & distress over their infant bodies being altered without their consent or having procedures throughout childhood to try and force them to better fit a binary they may not necessarily feel fits them.
Gender is also not binary, hence why 'non-binary' people can exist.
Also gender is partly inherent and partly a social construct (there are core elements that are neurological/hormonal in nature and then there's all the added baggage from sociocultural definitions of applicable genders), so it's not like it's some set-in-stone thing in the first place.

(Note: Gender is not the same as 'sexual orientation'. I'm going to assume that was more of a typographical error than an understanding one, since you do have a slightly better grasp of the whole trans thing than most of the ill-informed in this thread.)
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Shadowstalker16: I know, and I know its an outdated term for whatever reason. But the article I liked referred to them (XXY people) as who are (nothing on identifying as) hermaphrodites. If people with XXY sex chromosomes are not hermaphrodites but intersex, what is the difference beyond the terminology?
Gender and sex in mammals is to most of a degree binary. Reproductive development aims to create a baby as either male or female and hormonal or chromosomal alterations / mutations may alter the process. The result isn't any less human.
Gender is a biological construct. Males get their sex organs and females get their sex organs and those sex organs along with the exposure to the sex hormone they were exposed to in the womb determine their biological gender. It will also affect their orientation. Many genetic conditions or hormonal conditions or even just modified exposure to hormones in the womb causes improper distribution of hormones that lead to the brain and the rest of the body having opposite sexual characteristics.
What is a social construct is our interpretation of gender. Gender itself is not socially constructed. Otherwise every society would have different genders. Interpretations of what was and is acceptable are the only differences. Eg; most Celtic men are alleged to have been bi and most Samurai very voluntarily homosexual because cultural perceptions allowed them to do so. Orientation is an element of gender and its interpretation can vary across cultures but gender itself does not vary; is what I'm trying to say. Interpretations of the elements vary, the whole is the same.
I know, orientation is not gender or vice-versa.
I don't understand why people don't get such a simple thing.
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Shadowstalker16: Test

I know, and I know its an outdated term for whatever reason. But the article I liked referred to them (XXY people) as who are (nothing on identifying as) hermaphrodites. If people with XXY sex chromosomes are not hermaphrodites but intersex, what is the difference beyond the terminology?
Gender and sex in mammals is to most of a degree binary. Reproductive development aims to create a baby as either male or female and hormonal or chromosomal alterations / mutations may alter the process. The result isn't any less human.
Gender is a biological construct. Males get their sex organs and females get their sex organs and those sex organs along with the exposure to the sex hormone they were exposed to in the womb determine their biological gender. It will also affect their orientation. Many genetic conditions or hormonal conditions or even just modified exposure to hormones in the womb causes improper distribution of hormones that lead to the brain and the rest of the body having opposite sexual characteristics.
What is a social construct is our interpretation of gender. Gender itself is not socially constructed. Otherwise every society would have different genders. Interpretations of what was and is acceptable are the only differences. Eg; most Celtic men are alleged to have been bi and most Samurai very voluntarily homosexual because cultural perceptions allowed them to do so. Orientation is an element of gender and its interpretation can vary across cultures but gender itself does not vary; is what I'm trying to say. Interpretations of the elements vary, the whole is the same.
I know, orientation is not gender or vice-versa.
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SusurrusParadox: ... various societies do have different genders though.

Gender is not biological except insofar as the human brain is part of overall biology.
Genitalia != Gender

Sexual orientation is also not at all an element of gender, except insofar as some interpretations of orientation rely on the gender binary to make sense.
(It's a bit hard to say one is 'heterosexual' if they are outwith the binary, since there isn't an 'opposite'.)
[Which is where gyno- and andro- work better, because then the emphasis is on masculine vs feminine, and does not require any notion of opposites/equivalents.]

Also the difference in terminology is that 'hermaphrodite' is mythical and not really based in reality, and kind of dehumanises as a consequence.
Intersex states cover a wide range between what is typically considered 'standard' male/female equipment.
(It's really quite interesting. On the one side there are things like clitoromegaly and on the other there are things like micropenises, with a whole load of other things too.
Diversity is fascinating, & frankly it's a damn shame and kind of monstrous that people feel the need to mutilate babies to make them fit one or other 'ideal'.)
[I hope "child abuse is bad" and "violating the principle of bodily autonomy & consent is bad" are things that every side to this whole clusterfuck can agree on?]

As an aside:
Yeah, Celtic myths and legends (amongst the best indications of cultural conceptualisations) are especially full of bisexual dudes. Also very pretty dudes.
There was also that one Arthurian legend that makes it clear Lancelot is bi' as fuck.
I see you are actually a well meaning person, I mean, you seem to oppose circumcision, possibly regardless of gender. I disagree on many things with you, and since I oppose all that non bynary, queer, gender fluid, etc. made up fashion, we have many views that oppose, but I am capable of seeing something good in you, which is a big difference in comparisson to many aGG people.