htown1980: 8< ~~~~~~~~~~~

Isn't this something that should really be best left to qualified people to look into, rather than the ignorant masses ...

noncompliantgame: That's heartbreaking. The thing is that they're laughing at them. The homeless are a major source of "humor" (such as that is). It's [url=http://i.imgur.com/mCWHiWa.png]disgusting.Hard to believe really.

soxy_lady: i see this bullshit loser thread still has does nothing to do about #gamergate lol

noncompliantgame: That's heartbreaking. The thing is that they're laughing at them. The homeless are a major source of "humor" (such as that is). It's [url=http://i.imgur.com/mCWHiWa.png]disgusting.Hard to believe really.

Shadowstalker16: That is just sick. ''Power differential''?? They'll never know anything about work or lack of it when they're knee deep in Patreon money. Yeah, aGG supports people like these? Like, just suspend the denial for a moment and tell me this isn't hypocritical.

monkeydelarge: That is just more proof, a lot of people who use Reddit are evil shit bags. Reddit seems to be a giant shit magnet.
monkeydelarge: Talking about corruption when it comes to video game journalism 24/7 is boring.

Shadowstalker16: My opinion on gender change; since anyone who expresses their opinion on something that others don't are expressing the collective opinion of all proGGs :
According to here : https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/scientocracy/201210/is-sex-reassignment-surgery-basic-human-right
Some people are born with XXY sex chromosomes which means they are indeed NOT male or female. In their case I believe in gender change surgery and think it is their only option of a normal life. They are what is medically called ''hermaphrodites''. It all comes down to whether their sexual orientation at the time of the surgery is their natural one because otherwise, the question of ''right vs enhancement'' takes place. So IMO the people who are naturally feeling as one gender have a right to do that. Who pays is not of my concern yet. Some arguments are that the state should fund it, but that'll be with the taxpayer's money and I don't think it should be spent there. I don't think the people who want to have the surgery because they naturally feel that way should foot the entire bill because its an in-born condition and the govts already provide disability support so it wouldn't be completely wrong if the govt is funding a small amount. Like use whatever percentage of the average pay is used for disability remuneration on the cost of the surgery as well, or maybe a reasonable bit lesser since Trnsgndrs are not disabled directly from working / earning. So I emphasize psychological testing to establish the true gender identity the person follows and use the psych evaluation to decide if the docs can grant him surgery.

Others experience a condition in the womb where their body developed as male but their brain didn't receive enough testosterone and hence they have feminine characteristics of the brain but a male's body. This gives rise to most transgender feeling people today. They also suffer from a birth condition beyond their control and again are not born with as much difficulties as much as people with CP or Autism. This is much more touchy for me since hormone variation can go both ways and I think the person should decide what they want, but they aren't born so they can't and their birth gender may depend on their hormones at the time in addition to their genitals. I don't know my opinion on this.

Now, I don't know if its from the DSM or ICD but the definition of a mental illness was that of any condition that causes harm to the person or to others around them. And cases have been reported where people try to castrate themselves which is clearly harming them. And other rare disorders like wanting to have a limb removed are classified as mental disorders. AGAIN, both these are un-treatable so it depends on whether the individual can choose or not, which may depend on factors like who pays for what by how much and the duty of docs to cover these cases since they're technically sufferers who will be cured when their request is obliged, but again slips into whether they are clouded or reasonable enough to make their own decision which leads to psych tests which leads to different levels of reasonable which is subjective WHICH FUCKING MEANS........

I DON'T FUCKING KNOW! You're not allowed to say you're pro something and I'm anti-something when this something is never clearly defined!

noncompliantgame: Does anything even need to be said about this very revealing comment. No. But I will anyway ... noncompliantgame: =

Turn off your brain, loose your mind, surrender all rights and let the technocrats manipulate you like the dumbed down meat puppet you are. mu-ah! ha! ha! ha! ha!

htown1980: Well, not sure anyone is asking anyone else to surrender any rights but I would say the response should be quite the opposite. Turn on your brain, educate yourself, study, research, write peer reviewed reports, read other peer reviewed reports but don't let people who have no idea what they are talking about determine the best medical treatment for someone.

htown1980: Lots of things have been incorrectly classed as mental disorders over time, you might find this gets reclassified soon as well.

For mine, the crucial point is that even those who consider it is a mental disorder, say that the proper treatment of that condition is to alter the body to match the psychological gender identity. If it is a mental disorder, I don't see why people get so worked up about the treatment of it.

Shadowstalker16: My opinion on gender change; since anyone who expresses their opinion on something that others don't are expressing the collective opinion of all proGGs :
According to here : https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/scientocracy/201210/is-sex-reassignment-surgery-basic-human-right
Some people are born with XXY sex chromosomes which means they are indeed NOT male or female. In their case I believe in gender change surgery and think it is their only option of a normal life. They are what is medically called ''hermaphrodites''. It all comes down to whether their sexual orientation at the time of the surgery is their natural one because otherwise, the question of ''right vs enhancement'' takes place. So IMO the people who are naturally feeling as one gender have a right to do that. Who pays is not of my concern yet. Some arguments are that the state should fund it, but that'll be with the taxpayer's money and I don't think it should be spent there. I don't think the people who want to have the surgery because they naturally feel that way should foot the entire bill because its an in-born condition and the govts already provide disability support so it wouldn't be completely wrong if the govt is funding a small amount. Like use whatever percentage of the average pay is used for disability remuneration on the cost of the surgery as well, or maybe a reasonable bit lesser since transgender people are not disabled directly from working / earning. So I emphasize psychological testing to establish the true gender identity the person follows and use the psych evaluation to decide if the docs can grant them surgery.

Others experience a condition in the womb where their body developed as male but their brain didn't receive enough testosterone and hence they have feminine characteristics of the brain but a male's body. This gives rise to most transgender feeling people today. They also suffer from a birth condition beyond their control and again are not born with as much difficulties as much as people with CP or Autism. This is much more touchy for me since hormone variation can go both ways and I think the person should decide what they want, but they aren't born so they can't and their birth gender may depend on their hormones at the time in addition to their genitals. I don't know my opinion on this.

Now, I don't know if its from the DSM or ICD but the definition of a mental illness was that of any condition that causes harm to the person or to others around them. And cases have been reported where people try to castrate themselves which is clearly harming them. And other rare disorders like wanting to have a limb removed are classified as mental disorders. AGAIN, both these are un-treatable so it depends on whether the individual can choose or not, which may depend on factors like who pays for what by how much and the duty of docs to cover these cases since they're technically sufferers who will be cured when their request is obliged, but again slips into whether they are clouded or reasonable enough to make their own decision which leads to psych tests which leads to different levels of reasonable which is subjective WHICH FUCKING MEANS........

I DON'T FUCKING KNOW! You're not allowed to say you're pro something and I'm anti-something when this something is never clearly defined!

htown1980: Who are the dysfunctional people you are referring to? The body of psychologists and physicians who contribute to the ICD-10 CM and the DSM-5? The physicians who comprise the international standards of care revisions committee?

Do you really think because you have met a few "trannies" you are somehow more qualified than the medical and psychological professionals who have dedicated years to studying this issue and discussing and debating with their colleagues how best to deal with it?

Isn't this a classic example of the Dunning Kruger effect?

htown1980: Isn't the difference that:

1. Permitting you to be go a-pillagin causes harm to others;
2. Permitting transexuals to undergo treatment (be it a sex change, hormone therapy, etc) harms noone and has been demonstrated to help?

Isn't this something that should really be best left to qualified people to look into, rather than the ignorant masses, or as you put it, "the general public"? I mean do we let the general public decide how best to treat depression or cancer or PTSD?

htown1980: I assume by 'other-kin' you are speaking about what is informally known as species dysphoria?
Isn't the obvious difference that there is no consensus amongst physicians and psychologists as to treatment of that issue (and no consensus that it really is an issue at this stage)?