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SusurrusParadox: Might be worth noting that making personal attacks on the basis of gender and deliberately misgendering people is ad hominem and does not actually help any argument at all ever.
(Bonus: Intersex people exist, genitalia does not necessarily match neurology, and there are many things that were previously considered disorders that are now considered to be a part of natural non-harmful human variance.
The harm currently comes from repulsive bigoted pieces of shit that create unsafe environments for transgender people via their ignorance/prejudice/malice, resulting in a disproportionately high rate of abuse/violence towards trans people.)

Frankly, I'd prefer such awful shitstains (those espousing the archaic and distinctly Western/European notion of a sex/gender binary & lashing out at those that 'violate' it) be burned from existence, but I'll settle for hoping that y'all can read & process information & go do research on how their existence does not actually harm yours in any way so you should stop being an ass.
If you are against ad hominem attacks then why do you use them?
Post edited July 12, 2015 by monkeydelarge
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SusurrusParadox: archaic and distinctly Western/European notion of a sex/gender binary
Are you aware that every single society on earth that has managed to survive for more than a few generations has the some "archaic and distinctly notion of a sex/gender binary"? This whole non-binary gender bending was actually started in the West, more precisely in the US, during the last century.

Calling a man a man is not bigoted, it is accurate. I don't care what the man identifies as, because neither does prostatic cancer. He is born a man, he will die a man and it is encoded in every single cell of his body. Lying to people because you don't want to "hurt their feelings" is the most cruel thing you can do.
(this might be a double post, my internet is behaving like arse)

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SusurrusParadox: Oh yeah, and I'm pretty sure the concept of trigger warnings was covered earlier and the existence of people with PTSD, phobias, etc. that could really use such things was already highlighted.
Also, I mean, it's just polite in general to warn people of things that might hurt them.
Except feminists are TRIVIALISING PTSD.

Being triggered does not equal being a bit shocked, angered or surprised. That is what SJW trigger warings are for. Thanks to the fantastic SJW, PTSD has been reduced to something like 30% of people have and it equals a slight shock. Not episodes, not trauma, just a bit upset.

Thank them for that. Also, anything can be considered triggering. The way SJW are going, texts will soon be triggerwarning: Table of content.

Hell the table of content can be the warning. Or the entirety of the text itself.

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SusurrusParadox: Or 'This Thread Contains Gamergaters That Insist Trans People Are Just Mentally Ill'.
In that case SJW writers should add: "This article contains SJW who insist on dehumanising and villifying gamers. They also insist to misrepresent a consumer revolt as a pro-rape anti-womencampaign and are CONSTANTLY ultra racist and sexist towards people, attacking and generalizing them based on ther gender and skin, them being white males and will disregard any hardships they face.

Will also call to violence against people of a certain gender and skin color and will talk like all of them are monsters and their opponents should be burned alive"

HELL YEAH

And by the way, Wu's fukkin pissed at ghazi for suporting "driving a great CEO out of the industry" and ghazi was pissed back.
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The real irony with Ellen Pao is that this whole thing started with the removal of another woman, Victoria. Not surprising some of the SJW crowd want to turn this into a sexism thing...which it's clearly not, because those fighting Pao were defending another woman.
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dragonbeast: (this might be a double post, my internet is behaving like arse)

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SusurrusParadox: Oh yeah, and I'm pretty sure the concept of trigger warnings was covered earlier and the existence of people with PTSD, phobias, etc. that could really use such things was already highlighted.
Also, I mean, it's just polite in general to warn people of things that might hurt them.
'Beware of Dog' and all that. Or 'Danger: High Voltage'. Or 'This Thread Contains Gamergaters That Insist Trans People Are Just Mentally Ill'.
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dragonbeast: Except feminists are TRIVIALISING PTSD.

Being triggered does not equal being a bit shocked, angered or surprised. That is what SJW trigger warings are for. Thanks to the fantastic SJW, PTSD has been reduced to something like 30% of people have and it equals a slight shock. Not episodes, not trauma, just a bit upset.

Thank them for that. Also, anything can be considered triggering. The way SJW are going, texts will soon be triggerwarning: Table of content.

Hell the table of content can be the warning. Or the entirety of the text itself.

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dragonbeast: HELL YEAH

And by the way, Wu's fukkin pissed at ghazi for suporting "driving a great CEO out of the industry" and ghazi was pissed back.
At this point the butthurt trigger warnings has reached cartoon level. Just saw a post from Wu saying that it's not appropriate to say, 'that person DRIVES me nuts' because it's ableist to assume that everyone is capable of driving a car.

There's not a noun, verb, or adjective in the English language that isn't or won't be fair game with these people. Soon even using the non-descriptive 'they', 'them' or 'it' will be seen as discriminatory.
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Emob78: At this point the butthurt trigger warnings has reached cartoon level. Just saw a post from Wu saying that it's not appropriate to say, 'that person DRIVES me nuts' because it's ableist to assume that everyone is capable of driving a car.

There's not a noun, verb, or adjective in the English language that isn't or won't be fair game with these people. Soon even using the non-descriptive 'they', 'them' or 'it' will be seen as discriminatory.
Are you sure that saying isn't problematic? I mean, one drives a golf ball and everyone knows that most golfers are rich white guys... ;)
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Emob78: At this point the butthurt trigger warnings has reached cartoon level. Just saw a post from Wu saying that it's not appropriate to say, 'that person DRIVES me nuts' because it's ableist to assume that everyone is capable of driving a car.

There's not a noun, verb, or adjective in the English language that isn't or won't be fair game with these people. Soon even using the non-descriptive 'they', 'them' or 'it' will be seen as discriminatory.
i've heard a better one. A university (i think it was a uni) said trigger warnings were percieved by some as very triggering. so basically trigger warning: trigger warnings
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dragonbeast: (this might be a double post, my internet is behaving like arse)

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SusurrusParadox: Oh yeah, and I'm pretty sure the concept of trigger warnings was covered earlier and the existence of people with PTSD, phobias, etc. that could really use such things was already highlighted.
Also, I mean, it's just polite in general to warn people of things that might hurt them.
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dragonbeast: Except feminists are TRIVIALISING PTSD.

Being triggered does not equal being a bit shocked, angered or surprised. That is what SJW trigger warings are for. Thanks to the fantastic SJW, PTSD has been reduced to something like 30% of people have and it equals a slight shock. Not episodes, not trauma, just a bit upset.

Thank them for that. Also, anything can be considered triggering. The way SJW are going, texts will soon be triggerwarning: Table of content.

Hell the table of content can be the warning. Or the entirety of the text itself.

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SusurrusParadox: Or 'This Thread Contains Gamergaters That Insist Trans People Are Just Mentally Ill'.
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dragonbeast: In that case SJW writers should add: "This article contains SJW who insist on dehumanising and villifying gamers. They also insist to misrepresent a consumer revolt as a pro-rape anti-womencampaign and are CONSTANTLY ultra racist and sexist towards people, attacking and generalizing them based on ther gender and skin, them being white males and will disregard any hardships they face.

Will also call to violence against people of a certain gender and skin color and will talk like all of them are monsters and their opponents should be burned alive"

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dragonbeast: HELL YEAH

And by the way, Wu's fukkin pissed at ghazi for suporting "driving a great CEO out of the industry" and ghazi was pissed back.
Wu proves us again that if you divert from the groupthink on anything this people will shit on you, even if you stick to their standards (double standards) better than they do.
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SusurrusParadox: archaic and distinctly Western/European notion of a sex/gender binary
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HiPhish: Are you aware that every single society on earth that has managed to survive for more than a few generations has the some "archaic and distinctly notion of a sex/gender binary"? This whole non-binary gender bending was actually started in the West, more precisely in the US, during the last century.

Calling a man a man is not bigoted, it is accurate. I don't care what the man identifies as, because neither does prostatic cancer. He is born a man, he will die a man and it is encoded in every single cell of his body. Lying to people because you don't want to "hurt their feelings" is the most cruel thing you can do.
I was going to say just that.
Post edited July 11, 2015 by LeonardoCornejo
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SusurrusParadox: Quelle fucking surprise.
Transphobic bullshit, again, from 'pro-GG' individuals.
(And.. nothing but support from other pro-GG users in this thread.
I am just shocked. /sarc. )

Might be worth noting that making personal attacks on the basis of gender and deliberately misgendering people is ad hominem and does not actually help any argument at all ever.
(Bonus: Intersex people exist, genitalia does not necessarily match neurology, and there are many things that were previously considered disorders that are now considered to be a part of natural non-harmful human variance.
The harm currently comes from repulsive bigoted pieces of shit that create unsafe environments for transgender people via their ignorance/prejudice/malice, resulting in a disproportionately high rate of abuse/violence towards trans people.)

Frankly, I'd prefer such awful shitstains (those espousing the archaic and distinctly Western/European notion of a sex/gender binary & lashing out at those that 'violate' it) be burned from existence, but I'll settle for hoping that y'all can read & process information & go do research on how their existence does not actually harm yours in any way so you should stop being an ass.
(Also the current & historical data supporting that people have defied the mythical gender binary in many places at many times, and in some cases were quite happily accepted by the relevant culture.)

Oh yeah, and I'm pretty sure the concept of trigger warnings was covered earlier and the existence of people with PTSD, phobias, etc. that could really use such things was already highlighted.
Also, I mean, it's just polite in general to warn people of things that might hurt them.
'Beware of Dog' and all that. Or 'Danger: High Voltage'. Or 'This Thread Contains Gamergaters That Insist Trans People Are Just Mentally Ill'.

What I'm saying here is:
Check your shit and try some self-reflection/self-criticism afore you spout off.
Transphobic is a thing? Are you sure you don't mean SJW trans folk are entitled beyond description and people hate them for being entitled rather than being trans? Either way, its a phobia so its best to shout TRIGGER WARNING : TRANS PERSON POSTING so people don't get PTSD right?
And misinterpreting one person's OPINION to be the base-beliefs of one semi-cohesive group helps so much right?

As said before, surgery cannot alter chromosomes and calling someone with an XY a female isn't very accurate scientifically. Either way, its my OPINION that people can have the surgery to change their outward sexual characteristics if they want to but scientifically, XX=female and XY=male and no ''transphobia'' will change it.

Yeah; history is always boring oppression of women until gender comes along isn't it? As an aficionado of the discipline, I feel ashamed how some skrillex headed dimwits are using history as some sort of weapon to get $$$. People were burned once for having beliefs different from the mandated safe ones. The people doing it were called the Inqusition. You should look into them. Really friendly folks.

Covered or not; trigger warnings are stupid. They are terms used by people from echochambers to describe stuff that is mentally disturbing to them after their time in bubble has taught them not to accept anything other than what their mothership has pumped into them. They use their mental incapability to deal with others opinions as a mask for REAL DISORDERS and profiteer off people who have them by self diagnosing themselves with it. I'm not much for hell, but that is some bad karma they'll have to pay for :P
Trigger warnings (as used by SJWs) aren't put there to protect anybody. They are really there to add emphasis, make people want to read further, why the people they are yelling about are jerks.

There is a reason they are usually posted up front and center of their articles. They can easily be translated as "READ ME", "READ MY ARTICLE".
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RWarehall: Trigger warnings (as used by SJWs) aren't put there to protect anybody. They are really there to add emphasis, make people want to read further, why the people they are yelling about are jerks.

There is a reason they are usually posted up front and center of their articles. They can easily be translated as "READ ME", "READ MY ARTICLE".
10 common things everyone does NUMBER 14 WILL SHOCK YOU
Speaking of triggers...

http://www.theamericanmirror.com/offended-flea-market-shopper-calls-911-over-confederate-merchandise/

Some dickhead gets offended at a flea market after seeing someone selling Confederate flag merchandise... and calls 911 over it.

I only have one response. Please, here's your homework, little doggie. Now, go fetch.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_conditioning
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Emob78: Speaking of triggers...

http://www.theamericanmirror.com/offended-flea-market-shopper-calls-911-over-confederate-merchandise/

Some dickhead gets offended at a flea market after seeing someone selling Confederate flag merchandise... and calls 911 over it.

I only have one response. Please, here's your homework, little doggie. Now, go fetch.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_conditioning
The seller did nazi the problem. Everything went south when that guy looked at it. Perhaps selling the stuff wasn't civil.
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TStael: Sorry if I seem a bit intransigent - or not sorry, actually - but how about you lay down some sources; preferably vigorous and source critical.

The issue: as much, as ever - methinks - is with UNDER-representation of smaller titles; not undue promotion of some of them.

With the possible intimidation of genuine impassioned promoters of indie games for "corruption" as a novel option - which would in fact represent a deterioration for gaming. Methinks.
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RWarehall: How about you learn to use Google?

Even Polygon revised their ethics policy.

Just take the game Sunset.

That was only a couple pages ago...
Oh, I do use google - but it just might not be quite so biased as you might like it to be! ;-) Joking aside, google will display disreputable sources as much as proper ones. Which ones u stand by and promote, perso, if any?

I in fact like Polygon's disclosure policy - it is admirably vigorous - but will you say it is there "now" because Polygon was suspect and with piss-poor standards "before"`?

I thought of Sunset when replying to yer post (dome.fi) - nice that u know about it too. :-)

Crowd funding goals succeeded; presumably good gaming concept - and even a positive access to the gaming media; thou possibly too late (dome.fi was "what a shame" sort of article). GG hardly helped this rather ideal sort of case to find commercial success.

I perso suspect it is indifferent at best; and smoking out eventual diversity at worst.
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TStael: With the possible intimidation of genuine impassioned promoters of indie games for "corruption" as a novel option - which would in fact represent a deterioration for gaming. Methinks.
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WBGhiro: You know what has hurt indie game press the most the past years? Things like rigged Indiecades, Putting complete hacks and frauds like Fish, Anita and a whole slew of "journalists" on pedestals and making them arbiters of what is morally acceptable in gaming, making what social circle your game was born in matter more than its actual quality.

Gamergate is what indie games need, they don't have to be made in san francisco or bribe the newest head honcho on tumblr or something to actually get fairly promoted.
U refer to Anita Sarkeesian by "Anita"?

Have you really reflected on the fact that "Anita" neither developed/wrote any computer games; nor did she commercially review them?

If not before, do so now, and tell me: why are u so touchy about "Anita"?

I perso think she should most certainly be allowed to go about her business unharassed - and in being neither a critic nor a developer, her being even drawn into this discussion tells enough about GG.

Fish I do not recognize. Care to elaborate?