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Posted June 29, 2015
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Fever_Discordia: Unlike the 'Kill the f*gs' game which is hate-filled actually in-game
Which was universally hated by everyone except for maybe 1 or 2 nutcases
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Fever_Discordia: Unlike the 'Kill the f*gs' game which is hate-filled actually in-game
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dragonbeast: Which was universally hated by everyone except for maybe 1 or 2 nutcases
I'm not saying it wasn't, I was referring to Shadowstalker comparing the two back here:
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/the_gamergate_news_thread/post4218
That Gone Home is as leftist as that other game is rightist or whatever he was on about...

"Because then Gone Home and kill the f** are both ''your(ie enlightened man hating leftists)'' games because GH pushes a radical leftist agenda and the other pushes a radical rightist agenda, both being political."
Post edited June 29, 2015 by Fever_Discordia
Posted June 29, 2015
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dragonbeast: Which was universally hated by everyone except for maybe 1 or 2 nutcases
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Fever_Discordia: I'm not saying it wasn't, I was referring to Shadowstalker comparing the two back here:
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/the_gamergate_news_thread/post4218
That Gone Home is as leftist as that other game is rightist or whatever he was on about...

"Because then Gone Home and kill the f** are both ''your(ie enlightened man hating leftists)'' games because GH pushes a radical leftist agenda and the other pushes a radical rightist agenda, both being political."
I admit my mistake. I shouldn't have hopped on the gun and shot before considering. Upon further debate and reflection, it is clear to me that I was basing arguments on a hunch and of what I've read of the game. So yah; mistake admitted. I do not think GH is pushing a radical agenda.
However, I will echo what dragonbeast said and say that to me as well, there seems to be strong reason to believe that the dev added in the controversial topic just to get more praise rather than out of his own vision. I base this on the devs being friends with socjus / corrupt journos and being what is generally an SJW. I also think the game would have gotten much lesser recommendations if the relationship was straight.
Posted June 29, 2015
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Fever_Discordia: Wow - I really struggle to get my head around this whole "Games 'without' mechanics are pushing a radical leftist political agenda" theory - I don't know why Gone Home has become the poster child for this either when there are notes you have to look for at least, again what about Dear Ester than predated it or The Stanley Parable, or anything by Tales of Tales?
Hells, at the risk of sounding like a stuck record, look who the OP of this thread is! go ask jefequeso if he thought he was pushing a radical leftist agenda when he made 'walking simulator' 'The Moon Silver'
http://store.steampowered.com/app/329830/

In regard to the second part, as I said, I suspect that they're taking the bait on purpose because the war has turned out to be profitable for them...
Once again I get the feeling you are just here to argue and don't have a real point. All you seem to do is attempt to find one post to pick apart and when you lose, you quit posting or change the subject to another post you attempt to chastise...

First off, which of these games have you actually played? This is important because you were arguing for weeks about the Witcher series and had played none of them nor read the books.
So these games...
1) Gone Home
2) Dear Esther
3) The Stanley Parable
4) Tales of Tales games
5) The Moon Sliver

Now, onto the subject of your post, I see you wish to "strawman" again. I don't see anyone here claiming that games without mechanics inherently are pushing a radical left agenda. Now, Gone Home itself does have elements that some might call leftist. Specifically, the entire theme that somehow because a teenage lesbian feels her parents are discriminating against her life choice, this somehow justifies stealing a bunch of items out of the house and running away. All seemingly to a fairy tale ending...
Posted June 29, 2015
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I didnt like GH. I didnt like it because it was boring and its story-telling misses the mark for me.
But the claim that its "leftist" in any way shape or form because it portrays a gay relationship, is mind boggling and sad.
Posted June 29, 2015
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zavlin: I didnt like GH. I didnt like it because it was boring and its story-telling misses the mark for me.
But the claim that its "leftist" in any way shape or form because it portrays a gay relationship, is mind boggling and sad.
I was the one who said it was leftist, and I say it again; it was a mistake on my part.
Posted June 29, 2015
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zavlin: I didnt like GH. I didnt like it because it was boring and its story-telling misses the mark for me.
But the claim that its "leftist" in any way shape or form because it portrays a gay relationship, is mind boggling and sad.
By media depiction, gay rights and marijuana legalization are concepts of the left, like it or not. Probably because Christian fundamentalism is right-wing. By the same token, these primitive depictions of "left" and "right" are rather silly. By that token, with "patriarchy" and "misogyny" and "third-wave feminism" on the left, they seem to paint every white male as right-wing...
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Fever_Discordia: Wow - I really struggle to get my head around this whole "Games 'without' mechanics are pushing a radical leftist political agenda" theory - I don't know why Gone Home has become the poster child for this either when there are notes you have to look for at least, again what about Dear Ester than predated it or The Stanley Parable, or anything by Tales of Tales?
Hells, at the risk of sounding like a stuck record, look who the OP of this thread is! go ask jefequeso if he thought he was pushing a radical leftist agenda when he made 'walking simulator' 'The Moon Silver'
http://store.steampowered.com/app/329830/

In regard to the second part, as I said, I suspect that they're taking the bait on purpose because the war has turned out to be profitable for them...
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RWarehall: So these games...
1) Gone Home
2) Dear Esther
3) The Stanley Parable
4) Tales of Tales games
5) The Moon Sliver
I've played or 'played' Dear Ester, the original, freeware HL2 mod version of The Stanley Parable and the 'Demo' (which is actually fresh content) of the new, commercial one and a *bit* of The Path by Tale of Tales, not played the other 2 yet...
Posted June 29, 2015
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RWarehall: So these games...
1) Gone Home
2) Dear Esther
3) The Stanley Parable
4) Tales of Tales games
5) The Moon Sliver
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Fever_Discordia: I've played or 'played' Dear Ester, the original, freeware HL2 mod version of The Stanley Parable and the 'Demo' (which is actually fresh content) of the new, commercial one and a *bit* of The Path by Tale of Tales, not played the other 2 yet...
Kinda what I thought. You seemed to be overplaying the "value" of clicking on letters in Gone Home. They aren't hidden, they aren't hard to find, they are on every desktop or table you run across. And on top of that, they seem to "just happen" to be in perfect order to tell the story from beginning to end assuming you take the expected path and click on everything you find as you go along...

Even the three "so-called" puzzles are revealed almost immediately after you encounter them following the same protocol. If there were any real "house hunting" at all, I don't think Gone Home would've had as bad a rap as it gets for being a "non-game". In retrospect, I guess there was a first puzzle I forgot about, which is the "find the key" puzzle. If the rest of the game would have had any more of that, instead of endlessly clicking and reading pieces of paper, the game would likely have been better received.

Again, it's strange how you seem to pick fights over details of games you have not played...
Posted June 29, 2015
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Shadowstalker16: https://twitter.com/specialfester/status/615325547313430528
Children's author denounces trigger warnings and emotionally unstable people who need them. Ban Gone with the Wind; some people say. Grow up I say! If maintaining emotional equilibrium requires other people and art to jump through hoops for you, just shut off the world and live alone. It'll be better for everyone.
It will be interesting when normal people get confronted with Social Justice concepts like ableism, fat acceptance, trigger warnings, safe spaces and so on. All of these originally had good intentions; take for example to concept of "ableism": who would object to building a wheelchair ramp next to the stairs, right? But then you have worthless people with no purpose in life who attach to this idea like leaches and you get to the point where running past a person in a wheelchair is oppressive. Or trigger warnings: it is only appropriate to let an audience know if a certain material has repulsive content, like you wouldn't give children a slasher movie. But trigger warnings are about disrupting any discussion where you cannot for instance say "violate" as in "this violates the law" because someone will have zir (better use the proper pronoun) special snowflake feelings hurt.
Posted June 29, 2015
What bothers me is the way these Social Justice Freaks will even attack art/games/movies whose morality aligns with their cause. For example, the Witcher series has always said a lot about prejudice by example, yet the SJW crew then attack the words used in the examples! Has anyone ever seen the movie Shallow Hal? The whole point of the movie is to not judge people based on weight, but I'm sure most SJWs are offended because it contains "fat jokes" to prove that point. Just strangely ironic and hypocritical...
Posted June 29, 2015
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Shadowstalker16: https://twitter.com/specialfester/status/615325547313430528
Children's author denounces trigger warnings and emotionally unstable people who need them. Ban Gone with the Wind; some people say. Grow up I say! If maintaining emotional equilibrium requires other people and art to jump through hoops for you, just shut off the world and live alone. It'll be better for everyone.
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HiPhish: It will be interesting when normal people get confronted with Social Justice concepts like ableism, fat acceptance, trigger warnings, safe spaces and so on. All of these originally had good intentions; take for example to concept of "ableism": who would object to building a wheelchair ramp next to the stairs, right? But then you have worthless people with no purpose in life who attach to this idea like leaches and you get to the point where running past a person in a wheelchair is oppressive. Or trigger warnings: it is only appropriate to let an audience know if a certain material has repulsive content, like you wouldn't give children a slasher movie. But trigger warnings are about disrupting any discussion where you cannot for instance say "violate" as in "this violates the law" because someone will have zir (better use the proper pronoun) special snowflake feelings hurt.
I hate those things, I have a particular hatred for those new "genders" and their pronouns. Not only they are actually a mental disorder (i think it is called gender dysphoria) which has been glamourized by SJWs and Tumblr users, but also they are among the most obnoxious things ever seen because you have to adress people by the "right" pronoun or they get insulted. I also hate the fat acceptance movement, as a fat man I hate the idea that being fat and reluctant to even try to lose body fat is right, I have been working hard on losing weight for years and I don't want to throw that away, not only that, the bloody double standard is even worse, a fat straight normal man is still held as disgusting, but if you are fat and female, gay, or a man with gender dysphoria or disability then you should be proud.
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RWarehall: By media depiction, gay rights and marijuana legalization are concepts of the left, like it or not.
My point is: it isnt a game that talks about "gay rights".. its just a game where such a relationship exists.
Itd be like if every piece of media where there was a hetero relationship was automatically interpreted as being a political statement. Its just sad.
For "the right" just saying "gay people exist and theyr people too" is a controversial political statement. To me, thats poison against the culture of what right wing politics *should* be.
Posted June 30, 2015
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RWarehall: By media depiction, gay rights and marijuana legalization are concepts of the left, like it or not.
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zavlin: My point is: it isnt a game that talks about "gay rights".. its just a game where such a relationship exists.
Itd be like if every piece of media where there was a hetero relationship was automatically interpreted as being a political statement. Its just sad.
For "the right" just saying "gay people exist and theyr people too" is a controversial political statement. To me, thats poison against the culture of what right wing politics *should* be.
It's the demand for tolerance that is causing the havoc. Don't like my shit? Go make shit of your own. That should be as far as tolerance needs to go. And from what I've seen over the last couple of years, those preaching tolerance the loudest have been the most intolerant of all.

Social concepts and relationships (especially in games) have become a battleground because a handful of demagogs and fifth columns have shoved those questions into the public conscience. It would be like going back in time 10,000 years and asking a cave man to question the morality of stabbing a deer to feed his family. Had that question been asked and answered, the human race probably wouldn't be here right now. Same goes for modern social issues. We're arguing over the placement of deck chairs on the Titanic, while at the same time denying the existence of icebergs.
Posted June 30, 2015
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LeonardoCornejo: I hate those things, I have a particular hatred for those new "genders" and their pronouns. Not only they are actually a mental disorder (i think it is called gender dysphoria) which has been glamourized by SJWs and Tumblr users, but also they are among the most obnoxious things ever seen because you have to adress people by the "right" pronoun or they get insulted.
Have you noticed how proud they always are of their autism (or course self-diagnosed)? It's all about the oppression-olympics, the more special and marginalised you are, the less it is your fault for being a lazy shit. That's essentially their mode of operation, they assign blame instead of taking responsibility. Coming up with new weird genders is just one more way of being special. How on earth did we get to the point where being gay is too mainstream for people? Now they are no longer gay, they are genderqueer pan-romantic tans-kin demiboys.

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LeonardoCornejo: I also hate the fat acceptance movement, as a fat man I hate the idea that being fat and reluctant to even try to lose body fat is right, I have been working hard on losing weight for years and I don't want to throw that away, not only that, the bloody double standard is even worse, a fat straight normal man is still held as disgusting, but if you are fat and female, gay, or a man with gender dysphoria or disability then you should be proud.
I know what you mean, I too am disposed towards obesity, but a disciplined diet (avoid refined sugar, fat, alcohol and white bread) and rigorous working out still make it possible for me to be normal. Yes, it sucks, but that's life, in some areas you are good, in some bad. It's what you make out of it that matters. Fat acceptance is as absurd as people who smoke insisting that smoking is healthy. How messed up in the head can you be?

With that said, I believe a good chunk of Tumblr SJWs are just trolls make absurd stuff up. On the internet anyone can be anything. But then you have things like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_XuwM844bY

No joke, I wanted to skip gym today, have a lazy day and go there tomorrow. So I went browsing random nonsense, came across this video, and decided to pack my stuff and go to the gym today. I guess this is natural selection at work, people like her will not live for long. For all we know she might have already been dead on the stage, but the death hasn't yet worked its way up to the brain yet from all the body mass.
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