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All I know is if you travel down South in the United States, there is a good chance someone will try to educate you on the War of Northern Aggression...
Fucking hell. This is getting dangerous. So just because a white creep shot people in black church; no art is allowed to cover the subject of the American civil war? Good going SJWs. I'm suddenly thanking my stars that GabeN made Steam so trashy they can't reject anything.
Any confirmation they'll rape other iconic symbols as well? They already destroyed that tennis photo and now the Confederate flag. Now what? The Rape of Europa? The Afghan Girl? Victory Kiss after Japan surrender? Picasso paintings? Religious radicals would be jealous of this amount of art destruction. WHAT THE FUCK IS NEXT?
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Post edited June 25, 2015 by Shadowstalker16
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Shadowstalker16: Nevermind
giving all WWII games the Germany treatment probably
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Shadowstalker16: Fucking hell. This is getting dangerous. So just because a white creep shot people in black church; no art is allowed to cover the subject of the American civil war? Good going SJWs. I'm suddenly thanking my stars that GabeN made Steam so trashy they can't reject anything.
Any confirmation they'll rape other iconic symbols as well? They already destroyed that tennis photo and now the Confederate flag. Now what? The Rape of Europa? The Afghan Girl? Victory Kiss after Japan surrender? Picasso paintings? Religious radicals would be jealous of this amount of art destruction. WHAT THE FUCK IS NEXT?
The Stars and Stripes. Once that floodgate gets opened, sky's the limit. In fact, I read an article where Louis Farrakhan was saying that same thing. He is saying that the American flag should be removed due to the history of slavery, war and oppression that was conducted under that flag. So for all of you who are offended by the Confederate flag, just realize that it is now the line in the sand for any and all symbolic censorship.

Honestly, the best thing anyone can do against a symbol they don't like is leave it alone. Now the flag is once back in the news, people are buying them up like crazy, and indeed actual crazies on both sides will that much more militant about flag waving and flag burning. All of that because some racist loser decided to shoot up a church.

An illegal Mexican immigrant recently ran over and killed a very popular local sportscaster in my home state. Should we now force all Mexican immigrants in the state to stop displaying the Mexican flag? No. Why? Because that would be goddamn stupid. The Mexican flag is not represented by or owned by one single coked up Mexican with a criminal record and no drivers license. So why should we condense the entire history of the civil war and the Confederate flag into the persona of Dylan Storm? If you're thinking to yourself that maybe we shouldn't, you would be correct.
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Shadowstalker16: Fucking hell. This is getting dangerous. So just because a white creep shot people in black church; no art is allowed to cover the subject of the American civil war? Good going SJWs. I'm suddenly thanking my stars that GabeN made Steam so trashy they can't reject anything.
Any confirmation they'll rape other iconic symbols as well? They already destroyed that tennis photo and now the Confederate flag. Now what? The Rape of Europa? The Afghan Girl? Victory Kiss after Japan surrender? Picasso paintings? Religious radicals would be jealous of this amount of art destruction. WHAT THE FUCK IS NEXT?
Just like to point out that Ben Kuchera at Polygon is NOT in favour of this

http://www.polygon.com/2015/6/25/8845181/apple-removing-confederate-flag-games

-Don't look at us - it's Apple being dicks off their own bat AFAIK
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Fever_Discordia: If you guys are going to post random 'hyper-tolerance' pieces, not directly related to GG, from obviously biased sources I'll post random articles criticising the other side:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2015/06/conservative-christians-take-down-the-fascist-anti-christian-gay-pride-flag/

'Gay Reich' and 'Big Gay' WT actual F?
I LOLed though...
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Shadowstalker16: You still seem to willfully or otherwise ignore the motives of gamergate. Everyone here has accepted that you are debating because you want better ''minority'' representation and like stuff in gaming. It is acknowledged. Criticisms we posted are related gamergate because the group criticizing gamergate is social justice, and social justice activities are being observed in many fields.
What you are doing is CREATING a connection that does not exist between gamergate and religious extremist groups; either to make other people feel GG as less credible; or to make yourself more convinced you're on the right side because you somehow believe conservative Christianity is related gamergate.

The point is; would an SJW shown a game with mature themes want to censor it? Or in the very least mis-represent its content to gain moral highh-ground? YES

Will a gater or proGG person shown gay marriage oppose it? Most likely not. I know I don't; and I know most people on the internet or alive today who has / had access to a good teacher don't / won't. And it seems even then, these social justice types wanna brand someone as placetaghere and then do nothing.

Anyhow; since we're on the topic; do YOU believe in ''micro aggressions'' and ''rape CULTure'' and ''patriarchy''?
Well I guess I wasn't trying to group GG with Christian extremism so much as posting articles where the principles of social justice (gay rights) are shown in a positive light as a counter to your 'PC Thought Police' articles as a reminder that there is genuine positive change going on in the world

Not that I'm saying that SJWs can give themselves a pat on the back for making gay marriage a thing and ignore the actual gay people who have won the victory but it IS a victory for social justice as a concept, straight SJWs would march with gay gay rights activist and being gay and an SJW are far from mutually exclusive states of being

To your questions though

"micro aggression' is a stupid buzzword (phrase I guess) - I wish people would keep coming up with these things!
In regard to the article itself, meh, the university has a right to inform and educate about what the official party line / corporate mission statement / whatever is BUT it will depend on how they enforce that - if they go around acting like fascists to anyone who goes 'off message' then, yeah, that's bad but it hasn't happened yet - lets wait and see if it's really something they want to enforce with an iron fist or if it's just a bunch of hot air about what they ideally want but doesn't really mean anything

"rape CULTure" - LOL I see what you did there, so clever! -_- firstly feminist accuse society of having a rape culture and you turn that around and claim that the only rape culture is in their heads - that the rape culture is theirs, which isn't a nice way to debate things.
You post a lot of things about 'stare rape' and 'man spreading rape' and 'saying hello in the morning rape' which is clearly the worst kind of bullshit that is very unhelpful to the debate and downgrades the seriousness of rape as a concept
But I guess I remain unconvinced that the people saying things like that aren't fringe 'radfem' nutjobs, the kind of 'feminists' who are against male to female transexuals on the grounds that it's males trying to invade the female space or whatever crazy shit is going on in their minds
I guess the core argument that we spend far more time 'educating' our young women about the dangers of rape, how to avoid rape and generally breeding fear and paranoia in their minds than the time we spend educating young men not to rape, how to control themselves and have enough respect and empathy to not want to do horrible things like that is still a very valid argument - that kind of fear can be paralysing and controlling and places the onus to not rape in the wrong place.

I also didn't like 'Gone Girl' because *SPOILERS* the main female character just seems like a MRAs wet nightmare of the scheming 'false flag' rape claimer for personal benefit. Now, I wish I lived in a world where that kind of character could just be an interesting twist on the sociopathic antagonist but, in our less than perfect world, it's too politically charged for me - I think there's far, far more genuine rapes not being taken seriously than false rape claims in the world (I'm not denying they DO exist though) so the film is pushing in the wrong direction and playing on the wrong fears. It surprised me that I had that reaction, to be honest though, I'm not sure I would have thought about the film in those terms in the past...

'Patriarchy'
Undoubtedly, since the days of women's suffrage in the late 19th century women's right have come a long way but, no I don't think the race is over and the finish line has been crossed quite yet, a lot of the stuff left is quite subtle and insidious like attitudes to rape as I've already said or this piece about Kate Burley's interview being complained about while males counterparts like Paxman are praised for the same confrontational style:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/kay-burley-more-than-1100-people-have-complained-about-the-reporters-alton-towers-coverage-10315127.html
I think there's still much debate to be had and positive change to be made, but, yes, MacIntosh et al often go too far and can be too extremist for my tastes, if that's what you're getting at
Post edited June 25, 2015 by Fever_Discordia
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Fever_Discordia: Apple being dicks off their own bat AFAIK
It looks like that's part of a wider backlash to the murders in Charleston, see e.g. https://archive.is/kXE85 . Though Apple taking some symbolic stand against slavery as concept seems preposterous when they do so much business with the likes of Foxconn...

Re: Kuchera, not really surprising, as he seems to have taken a more moderate tack recently, for instance re: violence in Doom: https://archive.is/sD2Zl .
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Shadowstalker16: You still seem to willfully or otherwise ignore the motives of gamergate. Everyone here has accepted that you are debating because you want better ''minority'' representation and like stuff in gaming. It is acknowledged. Criticisms we posted are related gamergate because the group criticizing gamergate is social justice, and social justice activities are being observed in many fields.
What you are doing is CREATING a connection that does not exist between gamergate and religious extremist groups; either to make other people feel GG as less credible; or to make yourself more convinced you're on the right side because you somehow believe conservative Christianity is related gamergate.

The point is; would an SJW shown a game with mature themes want to censor it? Or in the very least mis-represent its content to gain moral highh-ground? YES

Will a gater or proGG person shown gay marriage oppose it? Most likely not. I know I don't; and I know most people on the internet or alive today who has / had access to a good teacher don't / won't. And it seems even then, these social justice types wanna brand someone as placetaghere and then do nothing.

Anyhow; since we're on the topic; do YOU believe in ''micro aggressions'' and ''rape CULTure'' and ''patriarchy''?
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Fever_Discordia: Well I guess I wasn't trying to group GG with Christian extremism so much as posting articles where the principles of social justice (gay rights) are shown in a positive light as a counter to your 'PC Thought Police' articles as a reminder that there is genuine positive change going on in the world

Not that I'm saying that SJWs can give themselves a pat on the back for making gay marriage a thing and ignore the actual gay people who have won the victory but it IS a victory for social justice as a concept, straight SJWs would march with gay gay rights activist and being gay and an SJW are far from mutually exclusive states of being

To your questions though

"micro aggression' is a stupid buzzword (phrase I guess) - I wish people would keep coming up with these things!
In regard to the article itself, meh, the university has a right to inform and educate about what the official party line / corporate mission statement / whatever is BUT it will depend on how they enforce that - if they go around acting like fascists to anyone who goes 'off message' then, yeah, that's bad but it hasn't happened yet - lets wait and see if it's really something they want to enforce with an iron fist or if it's just a bunch of hot air about what they ideally want but doesn't really mean anything

"rape CULTure" - LOL I see what you did there, so clever! -_- firstly feminist accuse society of having a rape culture and you turn that around and claim that the only rape culture is in their heads - that the rape culture is theirs, which isn't a nice way to debate things.
You post a lot of things about 'stare rape' and 'man spreading rape' and 'saying hello in the morning rape' which is clearly the worst kind of bullshit that is very unhelpful to the debate and downgrades the seriousness of rape as a concept
But I guess I remain unconvinced that the people saying things like that aren't fringe 'radfem' nutjobs, the kind of 'feminists' who are against male to female transexuals on the grounds that it's males trying to invade the female space or whatever crazy shit is going on in their minds
I guess the core argument that we spend far more time 'educating' our young women about the dangers of rape, how to avoid rape and generally breeding fear and paranoia in their minds than the time we spend educating young men not to rape, how to control themselves and have enough respect and empathy to not want to do horrible things like that is still a very valid argument - that kind of fear can be paralysing and controlling and places the onus to not rape in the wrong place.

I also didn't like 'Gone Girl' because *SPOILERS* the main female character just seems like a MRAs wet nightmare of the scheming 'false flag' rape claimer for personal benefit. Now, I wish I lived in a world where that kind of character could just be an interesting twist on the sociopathic antagonist but, in our less than perfect world, it's too politically charged for me - I think there's far, far more genuine rapes not being taken seriously than false rape claims in the world (I'm not denying they DO exist though) so the film is pushing in the wrong direction and playing on the wrong fears. It surprised me that I had that reaction, to be honest though, I'm not sure I would have thought about the film in those terms in the past...

'Patriarchy'
Undoubtedly, since the days of women's suffrage in the late 19th century women's right have come a long way but, no I don't think the race is over and the finish line has been crossed quite yet, a lot of the stuff left is quite subtle and insidious like attitudes to rape as I've already said or this piece about Kate Burley's interview being complained about while males counterparts like Paxman are praised for the same confrontational style:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/kay-burley-more-than-1100-people-have-complained-about-the-reporters-alton-towers-coverage-10315127.html
I think there's still much debate to be had and positive change to be made, but, yes, MacIntosh et al often go too far and can be too extremist for my tastes, if that's what you're getting at
Teach men not to reape? Most sane humans don't rape, and those who do are not humans you can reason with, not to mention that females rape males almost at the same rate, but nobody says anything about teaching women not to rape. Sorry but rapists won't stop just because you tell them rape is bad, it is up to the sane people to protect each other from them.
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LeonardoCornejo: not to mention that females rape males almost at the same rate, but nobody says anything about teaching women not to rape.
Wut? I'm not sure where you get that from, I don't think I've heard of a single case of a woman raping a man in all my years on the planet, I'm not sure it was even really physically possible until Viagra was invented...
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Fever_Discordia: Well I guess I wasn't trying to group GG with Christian extremism so much as posting articles where the principles of social justice (gay rights) are shown in a positive light as a counter to your 'PC Thought Police' articles as a reminder that there is genuine positive change going on in the world

Not that I'm saying that SJWs can give themselves a pat on the back for making gay marriage a thing and ignore the actual gay people who have won the victory but it IS a victory for social justice as a concept, straight SJWs would march with gay gay rights activist and being gay and an SJW are far from mutually exclusive states of being

To your questions though

"micro aggression' is a stupid buzzword (phrase I guess) - I wish people would keep coming up with these things!
In regard to the article itself, meh, the university has a right to inform and educate about what the official party line / corporate mission statement / whatever is BUT it will depend on how they enforce that - if they go around acting like fascists to anyone who goes 'off message' then, yeah, that's bad but it hasn't happened yet - lets wait and see if it's really something they want to enforce with an iron fist or if it's just a bunch of hot air about what they ideally want but doesn't really mean anything

"rape CULTure" - LOL I see what you did there, so clever! -_- firstly feminist accuse society of having a rape culture and you turn that around and claim that the only rape culture is in their heads - that the rape culture is theirs, which isn't a nice way to debate things.
You post a lot of things about 'stare rape' and 'man spreading rape' and 'saying hello in the morning rape' which is clearly the worst kind of bullshit that is very unhelpful to the debate and downgrades the seriousness of rape as a concept
But I guess I remain unconvinced that the people saying things like that aren't fringe 'radfem' nutjobs, the kind of 'feminists' who are against male to female transexuals on the grounds that it's males trying to invade the female space or whatever crazy shit is going on in their minds
I guess the core argument that we spend far more time 'educating' our young women about the dangers of rape, how to avoid rape and generally breeding fear and paranoia in their minds than the time we spend educating young men not to rape, how to control themselves and have enough respect and empathy to not want to do horrible things like that is still a very valid argument - that kind of fear can be paralysing and controlling and places the onus to not rape in the wrong place.

I also didn't like 'Gone Girl' because *SPOILERS* the main female character just seems like a MRAs wet nightmare of the scheming 'false flag' rape claimer for personal benefit. Now, I wish I lived in a world where that kind of character could just be an interesting twist on the sociopathic antagonist but, in our less than perfect world, it's too politically charged for me - I think there's far, far more genuine rapes not being taken seriously than false rape claims in the world (I'm not denying they DO exist though) so the film is pushing in the wrong direction and playing on the wrong fears. It surprised me that I had that reaction, to be honest though, I'm not sure I would have thought about the film in those terms in the past...

'Patriarchy'
Undoubtedly, since the days of women's suffrage in the late 19th century women's right have come a long way but, no I don't think the race is over and the finish line has been crossed quite yet, a lot of the stuff left is quite subtle and insidious like attitudes to rape as I've already said or this piece about Kate Burley's interview being complained about while males counterparts like Paxman are praised for the same confrontational style:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/kay-burley-more-than-1100-people-have-complained-about-the-reporters-alton-towers-coverage-10315127.html
I think there's still much debate to be had and positive change to be made, but, yes, MacIntosh et al often go too far and can be too extremist for my tastes, if that's what you're getting at
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LeonardoCornejo: Teach men not to reape? Most sane humans don't rape, and those who do are not humans you can reason with, not to mention that females rape males almost at the same rate, but nobody says anything about teaching women not to rape. Sorry but rapists won't stop just because you tell them rape is bad, it is up to the sane people to protect each other from them.
Yes, but sometimes protecting people from rape requires the use of a gun, and that triggers too many people. Once you start dogpiling this butthurt, it really starts to multiply by orders of magnitude.

The internet itself has become infected with mental illness. Thank (your choice of deity) that I don't use Twitter or Facebook. My blood pressure couldn't take it... not to mention that all of my texts and photos would be uploaded to the NSA brain jar, but that's another discussion entirely. And honestly, why should we bother to discuss Apple's slave labor practices or the Federal government's spying programs when we have gangs of Confederate flag waving rednecks rampaging across this great nation to worry about!
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Fever_Discordia: Undoubtedly, since the days of women's suffrage in the late 19th century women's right have come a long way but, no I don't think the race is over and the finish line has been crossed quite yet[...]
Go look around in the real world and think again.

Or look at this since your in the UK and might find this interesting:

http://human-stupidity.com/stupid-dogma/mens-rights-feminism/womens-tennis-equal-pay-for-weaker-play-less-work-less-spectators-less-advertising-dollars

thecalmzone.net/2014/10/male-suicides-in-england-and-wales-hit-15-year-high

breitbart.com/london/2015/03/24/the-real-everyday-sexism-is-against-men
Post edited June 25, 2015 by Klumpen0815
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LeonardoCornejo: not to mention that females rape males almost at the same rate, but nobody says anything about teaching women not to rape.
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Fever_Discordia: Wut? I'm not sure where you get that from, I don't think I've heard of a single case of a woman raping a man in all my years on the planet, I'm not sure it was even really physically possible until Viagra was invented...
Not sure if you're being facetious here, but in case you aren't:
http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2014/04/male_rape_in_america_a_new_study_reveals_that_men_are_sexually_assaulted.html
Post edited June 25, 2015 by chean
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LeonardoCornejo: not to mention that females rape males almost at the same rate, but nobody says anything about teaching women not to rape.
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Fever_Discordia: Wut? I'm not sure where you get that from, I don't think I've heard of a single case of a woman raping a man in all my years on the planet, I'm not sure it was even really physically possible until Viagra was invented...
A close friend of mine worked as a volunteer helping rape victims, at least half of them were male, and at least half of th rape victims in general (Both male and female) were raped by females.
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HiPhish: Source:
http://www.macrumors.com/2015/06/25/apple-removes-civil-war-games-confederate-flag/

This is just disgusting. Instead of raising the bar by educating people about the true meaning of the flag and the backgrounds of the war the lies are just being cemented deeper and deeper.
The cynic in me thinks that the politicians are talking about getting rid of a flag so they don't have to talk about gun control. The NRA is a very powerful group in the US.