dragonbeast: I was explaining
why gamers get annoyed by casual gamers presenting themselves as real gamers by using an exaggerated parallel.
What i am arguing is just that many times we've seen games altered to also appeal to the casual market. This something that luckily has seen a decrease over the last few years.
amok: casual gamers *are* real gamers, they just like different type of games. Anything else is elitism. What you have seen is not a decline in "hardcore" games, but an increase in "casual" games. The amount of "hardcore" games is the same as before, but the amount of games in general has increased.
yeah i phrased that badly.
Casual gamers are real gamers, but are less intertwined with the whole happening and inner working of gaming as both an industry and games themselves.
and yes it is argued there has been a period of games being less 'challenging" without it being artificial difficulty (enemy takes 10000 hits, you 2) with long running series casualising, although this was also to try to lure in people from other genres as well. I have heard people say a few years ago niche had died, that you had to be stupid to make games for a niche.
And I will argue people have been stepping back from that, especially since +- 2012.
With the succes of the souls series proving challenging could sell, which at one point in time wasn't believed to be the case.
Thanks to XCOM the TBS got a revival with wasteland2 adding to that. XCOM ade TBS popular again (so you would say it got 'casal but i don't believe that is really the case since it sparked popularity in the 'invested' gamer culture but not in the 'FB' culture)
Fever_Discordia: And I was asking for the examples of "casual gamers presenting themselves as real gamers" that you are saying that gamers are getting annoyed at..
(It occurs to me that there actually MIGHT be good examples of casual gamers being huge dicks but, hey, it will still be educational to see them even if it DOES mean I lose points in the pissing contest...)
If you did not meet those good but i met them in real life more than once.
And i now realize my annoyance has nothing to do with casual gamers, it is more with 'I always know better than you even though i know jack shit' kind of people. And yeah I've seen that happen. With people who played some FB games actually denying any game they hadn't heard of couldn't be that great or well known or popular.
And then they said that when i asked about fallout series+bioshock (which are not even really cult or niche games)