Look, we already showed how Arthur Gies has taken issues completely out of context. We've shown what appears to be deliberate manipulation of the facts in order to misportray the game. We did the same with Anita Sarkeesian and the way she took one scene of Hitman Absolution out of context and claimed the developers "intentionally" designed the level so people would kill the strippers among other lies and distortions of fact.

But here you are again, ignoring all the context and calling Gamergate out. Get over yourself. Quit fucking trolling us. Arther Gies lied. Anita Sarkeesian lied. But here you are attacking us. Please Fever, show us something actually objectionable about the game. Oh right, you have never played any of the Witchers... Or are you only here to play devil's advocate? Because so far, that appears to be all you know how to do. You bring nothing to this discussion but your trolling.

I've shown how you, yourself have been deceptive with your continued claims about Target specifically targeting GTA V at children. They did not. They printed an ad that had three different Christmas gift examples and said they have the best prices on them. You are the one "creating" a narrative. Just because GTA V appears in a Christmas ad on the same page as toys that people assume are geared toward children, does not mean they are marketing it to them. You are just as bad as Anita who believes the mere existence of a strip club with strippers in it in the Hitman is proof that the developers want people to kill all the women in the game in a great orgy of misogyny....

But hey, keep repeating the same disproved bullshit you've been spouting for months...

But what about CAH? CAH is cut and dry because it's so straight forward, there's no context or interpretation of situation it's just words on cards
While I think they're potentially very funny I can see why other would find some of them offensive but you called an offended review an incitement to boycott and therefore censorship too...

You are a troll because the only thing you do in this thread is make posts to attack us here...
Posts 3790 & 3794 calling only me out for ad hominem...
Posts 3782 & 3784 posting a cartoon mocking us...
Post 3668 Another mocking comment about glass houses and throwing stones...

Those are your last 5 posts. You can call it whatever you like. But that seems to be the very definition of trollish behavior...

Indeed, and that's because I think you are all rather silly, making a lot of fuzz about non-issues which no one outside of your little clicks really care about at all and have no influence on the real world. This goes for both the GG and A-GG sides. That is my point of view, and that is what I will continue doing. every now and then I like to poke you with a stick and point out how silly and self-righteous you are. You for crating an argument based on ad hominems (which is your forte...), and the glass house thing to point out that Leonardo.... well... just did himself what he accused the other person of doing. The cartoon is mocking everyone.... and there is a lot of truth in it (which is a sign of all good satire). If that makes me a troll, I am happy to be one :)

If you want me to stop - stop being silly.

But here you go changing the topic again because, you know, you just have to keep arguing with us about something...

First, no I didn't. But hey, put words in my mouth...but if you want to go there a small argument could be made for this "guilting" part of the review. http://www.shutupandsitdown.com/blog/post/review-cards-against-humanity/

My problem is this is hardly a real review of the game. It's not even trying to talk about the features of the game. Instead it takes every attempt to slam the game. Can't the same thing be said for "Apples to Apples"? Or bridge, or hearts, or card games in general? Yup, start out by attacking it for being simple...

And on the "review" goes on calling it shit and morally reprehensible and stupid and everything else they can do to attack it. Remember, they called this a "review"...

So Fever, is this what you expect or find acceptable in reviews?
If you are happy being a troll...but it is rather ironic how you originally brought up "glass houses"...
Because I think it is rather silly of you to keep butting into threads just to mock the participants. It pretty much makes you an ass...and this isn't the only thread you do this to.

Also funny how you bring up self-righteous...what does it say about the person who is so sure they are right that they feel its fine to jump into threads like this. Do you feel you are really so morally and intellectually superior to all of us? I hope you don't fall from such a high height!

psst... I want to taunt Keyvin, but as I said in the edit (I guess you missed it), I cant find where he called any of you "stupid". I only find the place where he calls it "stupid to only post individual studies", which is kind of correct. But that is not calling you stupid, that's just calling a practice stupid... Help please?

This thread's getting a bit too personal. Can't we all be friends? Friendly rivals? Enemies with benefits?

You do realize you're posting on a video game digital distributor's site, right? I doubt anyone outside of this site's clique cares about whether X game gets released in Y language, or whether Z game is DRM-free at all. Throwing sticks into the spokes of conversation wouldn't really be a courteous way of approaching those threads, so I can't help but wonder why some think it's fine if this thread suffers that fate.

And we did have an influence on the real world. Updated ethics and disclosure policies at a bunch of sites ring a bell? Leigh Alexander and Ben Kuchera being banished to a dark corner of the internet? Everyone in the "game journalism" industry suddenly walking on eggshells where before they considered themselves above reproach? No? How about people talking about journalism, an incredibly boring topic by just about every measure, for something like 10 straight months?

I know, it is a knack I have. I play to my strengths! But at least I manage to make an ass of myself without needing to use ad hominmens and name calling.

And I am so aware of it. But at least when we tumble down, I feel I can point at you all giggling at you and calling you silly for spending so much time and effort on something which do not matter. I spend only a couple of minutes in this thread now and then to see how much more silliness it is possible to perpetuate, you are the ones that manage to make this into 3800 posts.... and making out as if this is something to care about...

By the way - I wanted to taunt Keyvin for calling you stupid, but I could not find it. Only a place where he calls it stupid to only link to individual studies, which is not the same. Pointer please?
indeed, and you know what? The existent of Sarkessian and Greysons of this world? no influence of the games being made. Journalism? Game reviews are exactly the same as art reviews, ballet reviews, film reviews. No change before or after. Developers are not walking on egg shells at all, they are doing the exact same thing as ever - creating games that sell and people will play. In the industry outside the people who follow and care - GG or AGG is non influential apart from making gamers look silly.

The only power GG or AGG have is the one you give them. And you give them a lot of power. Which makes you a bit silly.

Disclosing conflicts of interest doesn't count as a change?

No one wanted to change what developers were doing, but rather, allow them to create what they want without a bunch of puritanical journalists using their podium to further their political agendas by labeling them "gross" or "problematic" over an innocuous bit of midriff.

Am... am I Green Lantern? It sounds like I might be Green Lantern.

*shrugh* seen people do it a long time before GG, nothing new. And in the game industry, everyone knows everyone else (as with in any art industry), so I am not quite sure what you achieve, apart from creating more bureaucracy.

People have different views, people should be allowed to write about those views. You as a user is allowed to not read them and let them sink. People how agree should be allowed to read them, and you can then point at them and giggle. (which I do in this thread :)) Developers will always create what they want to create, because there is never, and will never ,be one single point of view - i.e. games they want to make and games that sell. GG or AGG have not changed this.

Do you really think anyone gave Sarkessian any notice before the anti brigade stormed in "you are ruining mah game!!!" Without them she would have had 10 views on YouTube....

They didn't, though. There were plenty of disclosure failures we found where people covered their lovers or roommates or friends without ever once mentioning it.

Oh, absolutely, and it's not like I want to keep reviewers from being able to point out that, say, Zoe in the original Dreamfall has a completely forced romance that undermines her character arc somewhat. That's different from throwing around words like "misogyny" (which, contrary to the beliefs of some, isn't present because someone was offended by something; it speaks to the character and intent of the creator, not the feelings of the reviewer) and using their platform as a bully pulpit. There's a fine line between honest reviewing and inventing problems for the sake of propagandizing, and we only have a problem with one of them. Care to try your luck?

So you're saying that the patriarchy is really quite small? I'm confused. Wait, is there not a shadowy cabal of women-haters that exists solely to harass women into subservience?

I could not find a single reference to Dragon Age being tinkered with, other than news posts about bugfixes to make banter more frequent and some speculation of possible regional censorship. Maybe I'm missing something. Aside from what makes people keep forgetting the bit about the Pillars of Eternity thing being a product of Obsidian realizing that they hadn't vetted the content in question prior to publishing.

And it is now exactly the same as before. Some do, and some don't. So congratulations?

I tend to read these statements as "reviews I agree with, and reviews I disagree with". Because that's all it is. This persons opinions are more valid than that other person's opinions!

Only in your mind. Now ask me where the Femnazis and SJW's are.
Two things -

1- who is Jack Thompson? And why should I care?
2 - I have never called anyone dumb. Silly, yes, but not dumb.

Haven't been here for a while but.... lol at RWarehall.