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Shadowstalker16: Reference to gamers are dead.

Also, SJWs tend to play the race card from the start. If you consider yourself a moderate in AntiGG please stop jumping to that as soon as you see it.

I know this reply is stupid but my dongle is dropping and my ISP is doing shit to bring broadband to the new place.
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Fever_Discordia: Ah makes more sense! Honestly, I read the blurb and re-read it trying to make head or tail what he could possibly mean and the race thing is all I could come up with!

Maybe because 'gamers are dead' was never about people not existing? I'm not defending those articles, just saying that I don't think the connection was obvious at all (although you seemed to have got it OK so maybe it's just me being a thick half-paddy)
Since its reaxxion and they're more of calling out / arguing with / shaming SJWs than anything else, he probably thought it'd make sense.
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Fever_Discordia: Ah makes more sense! Honestly, I read the blurb and re-read it trying to make head or tail what he could possibly mean and the race thing is all I could come up with!

Maybe because 'gamers are dead' was never about people not existing? I'm not defending those articles, just saying that I don't think the connection was obvious at all (although you seemed to have got it OK so maybe it's just me being a thick half-paddy)
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Shadowstalker16: Since its reaxxion and they're more of calling out / arguing with / shaming SJWs than anything else, he probably thought it'd make sense.
But what the 'gamers are dead' articles WERE saying, wrongly, is that the only people who call themselves 'gamers' are hatemonger douchbags and.. the guy is on Rooch's payroll so... not the BEST ambassador for #NotAllGamers IMHO...

*edit* eff-it I'M a gamer, I probably WOULD have gone along with making 'gamer' a bad word if that's what people had decided to do, if I thought that giving that up would have somehow made the world a better place, but that REALLY didn't work so I have no problem with going back to using the 'gamer' self-identifier, just to be clear to all those people who like to get precious about self-identifiers!
Post edited May 14, 2015 by Fever_Discordia
You are so right. We should just ignore every post or article because of who the poster is or has said before. Fever is a fucking douche bag. Ignore any idiotic thing he says...he has proven it over and over again...

You have nothing to say about the article itself, so you bring up MRA and Rooch. How dishonest is that? What a fucking troll...

And the dumbest thing about it...Rooch didn't write it...the author is clearly written. Cain Clayton, by the picture, a black man, what racist piece of shits are people like Fever and Susurrus. They try to stifle the speech of minorities! Assholes!
Post edited May 14, 2015 by RWarehall
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RWarehall: You are so right. We should just ignore every post or article because of who the poster is or has said before. Fever is a fucking douche bag. Ignore any idiotic thing he says...he has proven it over and over again...

You have nothing to say about the article itself, so you bring up MRA and Rooch. How dishonest is that? What a fucking troll...

And the dumbest thing about it...Rooch didn't write it...the author is clearly written. Cain Clayton, by the picture, a black man, what racist piece of shits are people like Fever and Susurrus. They try to stifle the speech of minorities! Assholes!
If Rooch bought GOG and made no changes what so ever I'd still close my account and never look back!

"Emperor Palatine may be an evil, scheming, Sith lord, yes, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't listen to what Stunt StormTrooper No. 2 has to say - you're just painting everyone with the same brush"

Pah-lease!
Post edited May 14, 2015 by Fever_Discordia
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Fever_Discordia: If Rooch bought GOG and made no changes what so ever I'd still close my account and never look back!

"Emperor Palatine may be an evil, scheming, Sith lord, yes, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't listen to what Stunt StormTrooper No. 2 has to say - you're just painting everyone with the same brush"

Pah-lease!
You racist! You are denying giving a voice to a black man. Clearly it's your racism showing through. You just hate black people. This is "proof"!
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Fever_Discordia: If Rooch bought GOG and made no changes what so ever I'd still close my account and never look back!

"Emperor Palatine may be an evil, scheming, Sith lord, yes, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't listen to what Stunt StormTrooper No. 2 has to say - you're just painting everyone with the same brush"

Pah-lease!
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RWarehall: You racist! You are denying giving a voice to a black man. Clearly it's your racism showing through. You just hate black people. This is "proof"!
LOL noice! Be careful with playing the 'race' card though or you'll make Shadowstalker cwy!

But seriously, how many 'hate fuck' soundbites do I have to post to prove that, if moderate MRAism exists, then Rooch sure as hell ain't it - he's as Rad-MRA as they come!

Now think if the tables were turned - if a fringe, nut-job RadFem had founded and was running a feminist website you'd call it a 'RadFem website' probably with good cause, then, if that website had a spin-of, sister website, founded, run and owned by that same RadFem that was focused on gaming and being anti-gg you'd probably call that a 'RadFem website masquerading as a games site' or words to that effect again, probably with good cause

I do not believe, however, that if I posted an article from that website you guys would be all
"Oh well, this article may come from that gaming website owned by that RadFem and is a declared sister site of her main RadFem site but we don't know that this guy, writing this article, is a RadFem himself so we'll give it a fair hearing - we don't want to go painting everyone with the same brush, do we?"

No you'd say
"Oi Fever - stop polluting this thread with your blatant Anti-GG RadFem propaganda, you troll!"

So to Shadowstalker posting Raxxion links I say
"Oi Shadowstalker - stop polluting this thread with your blatant Pro-GG Rad-MRA propaganda, you troll!"

I... I've put a lot of words in your guy's mouths there, sure, but I'm sure you'll let me know which parts you refute and where my logic is flawed...
Post edited May 15, 2015 by Fever_Discordia
I don't wanna post MRA shit if it isn't called for. But I feel the guys at Reaxxion; who by the way aren't even full time employees there or even voluntarily working there can do a better job at doing ethical journalism than the well established yellow pages.
And FYI, I'm linking to Reaxxion as a source for news and not a source for proof unless the reaxxion article has proof and not made up BS like the yellows. Again, I draw that to your attention. Reaxxion either provides proof of acqusition and so I link it or, I just do it because I didn't find anywhere else.
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Fever_Discordia: I... I've put a lot of words in your guy's mouths there, sure, but I'm sure you'll let me know which parts you refute and where my logic is flawed...
you don't challenge the content of the Rexxion articles as you see them from an SJW/radfem perspective so you see them as MRA slanted even when they're not.

Let me be clear, I'm not a fan of Roosh & the only time I have went to return of kings has been because of you & I'm by no means an MRA.
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Fever_Discordia: I... I've put a lot of words in your guy's mouths there, sure, but I'm sure you'll let me know which parts you refute and where my logic is flawed...
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Rusty_Gunn: you don't challenge the content of the Rexxion articles as you see them from an SJW/radfem perspective so you see them as MRA slanted even when they're not.

Let me be clear, I'm not a fan of Roosh & the only time I have went to return of kings has been because of you & I'm by no means an MRA.
... the title alone was pretty blatant in terms of 'slant'.
If you're not seeing the bias in terms of what they report on and how they report on it, you're not thinking terribly critically/objectively.

Asides from which, if someone's only source for something is that asshole's site (and yeah, if you're directing traffic his way, you're supporting his fuckery) then I'm not sure it's as big an issue as it's being made out to be.
If it were, one might reasonably expect it to show up.. say.. on a more neutral site.
Or, alternatively, one might actually expect to be linked to an original source highlighting the feminists that are complaining.

My question would perhaps be "How is this related to games journalism?", since figurines aren't really games or journalism.
Idk what people expect of Kojima tbh. He's always done bloody weird shit.
But I do know I expect better "reporting" than the tripe found on Reaxxion.
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Fever_Discordia: If Rooch bought GOG and made no changes what so ever I'd still close my account and never look back!

"Emperor Palatine may be an evil, scheming, Sith lord, yes, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't listen to what Stunt StormTrooper No. 2 has to say - you're just painting everyone with the same brush"

Pah-lease!
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RWarehall: You racist! You are denying giving a voice to a black man. Clearly it's your racism showing through. You just hate black people. This is "proof"!
Are you going to actually bother engaging even remotely reasonably or are you just going to be an arse now?
Post edited May 15, 2015 by SusurrusParadox
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Rusty_Gunn: you don't challenge the content of the Rexxion articles as you see them from an SJW/radfem perspective so you see them as MRA slanted even when they're not.

Let me be clear, I'm not a fan of Roosh & the only time I have went to return of kings has been because of you & I'm by no means an MRA.
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SusurrusParadox: ... the title alone was pretty blatant in terms of 'slant'.
If you're not seeing the bias in terms of what they report on and how they report on it, you're not thinking terribly critically/objectively.

Asides from which, if someone's only source for something is that asshole's site (and yeah, if you're directing traffic his way, you're supporting his fuckery) then I'm not sure it's as big an issue as it's being made out to be.
If it were, one might reasonably expect it to show up.. say.. on a more neutral site.
Or, alternatively, one might actually expect to be linked to an original source highlighting the feminists that are complaining.

My question would perhaps be "How is this related to games journalism?", since figurines aren't really games or journalism.
Idk what people expect of Kojima tbh. He's always done bloody weird shit.
But I do know I expect better "reporting" than the tripe found on Reaxxion.
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RWarehall: You racist! You are denying giving a voice to a black man. Clearly it's your racism showing through. You just hate black people. This is "proof"!
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SusurrusParadox: Are you going to actually bother engaging even remotely reasonably or are you just going to be an arse now?
or this

http://www.reaxxion.com/8369/how-feminists-have-ruined-black-widow

or this?

http://www.reaxxion.com/8721/why-we-need-to-reclaim-comic-books-from-the-left

That last one clearly has an MRA slant with the whole 'Turning back the tide' and 'Conan on a date' thing, too!

- 2 articles I found on Reaxxion within seconds of landing there - one linked from the top bar the other a 'related link' to that
Post edited May 15, 2015 by Fever_Discordia
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I keep seeing people point to PoliticalCompass.org as proof that GG is not right wing

There's the top graphic in this Reaxxion article:
http://www.reaxxion.com/8462/why-does-the-left-keep-claiming-that-gamergate-is-right-wing

Plus I'm sure someone here, Shadowstalker, I *think* posted their results as 'proof'

Well, that depends on the validity of PoliticalCompass.org doesn't it? There's some people disputing it and saying that the results are skewed to the left for a number of political reason (none of which relate to GG itself)

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Political_Compass#Criticism
Post edited May 15, 2015 by Fever_Discordia
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SusurrusParadox: snip
Are you going to actually bother engaging even remotely reasonably or are you just going to be an arse now?
What is there to engage idiot? You didn't say anything. Not a single thing in this post or the last says anything at all.

All you have said is the title is not objective. What the heck does that even mean?

All you and Fever are doing is trolling. Period. Anyone who reads the multiple useless posts can see it. You are both grasping at straws.

"Oh look, I can pull up two titles and show they hate the feminists"...

As if that means anything...

I can do the same with Polygon, DailyDot, Kotaku with regards to the other side...
Does that discredit every article...no. Does that discuss the content of the article at all...no.

But none of this discussion over the last couple days has engaged anything actually said in the articles.

There is no point talking to a couple asshole trolls who are just here to spread harassment of us in this topic.
I see post after post of trolling...basically you two are proving our point about asshole SJWs who have nothing useful to say. Thank you. Point made. Now go back to your echo chambers...
Post edited May 15, 2015 by RWarehall
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SusurrusParadox: snip
Are you going to actually bother engaging even remotely reasonably or are you just going to be an arse now?
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RWarehall: What is there to engage idiot? You didn't say anything. Not a single thing in this post or the last says anything at all.

All you have said is the title is not objective. What the heck does that even mean?

All you and Fever are doing is trolling. Period. Anyone who reads the multiple useless posts can see it. You are both grasping at straws.

"Oh look, I can pull up two titles and show they hate the feminists"...

As if that means anything...

I can do the same with Polygon, DailyDot, Kotaku with regards to the other side...
Does that discredit every article...no. Does that discuss the content of the article at all...no.

But none of this discussion over the last couple days has engaged anything actually said in the articles.

There is no point talking to a couple asshole trolls who are just here to spread harassment of us in this topic.
I see post after post of trolling...basically you two are proving our point about asshole SJWs who have nothing useful to say. Thank you. Point made. Now go back to your echo chambers...
I'm knocking the damn ball out of the park and you can't deal with it - admit!
*drops mike*

*picks mike back up*
Actually - LOL at 'harrassment' There are plenty of echo-chamber, sausage-fest pro-GG boards out there you could have chosen to discuss this stuff on. You are the ones who have chosen to bring it to one of the most open-minded mature gaming forums on all the internets, you have chosen to engage opposite just by those choices, it's not like we've popped up on the Reaxxion boards just to troll (although that IS temping, thinking about it...). You sound like we're coming along and spoiling 'your' thread...
Post edited May 16, 2015 by Fever_Discordia
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Shadowstalker16: We
That was deep. You just won the thread.